General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (1 Viewer)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[MT15]

This is a great idea. Her campaign is cooking.

 

[not2rich]

The “native-born” citizen vs “foreign-born” citizen distinction SFL raised has me thinking. My father I would say is clearly a “native-born” citizen; my mother is an immigrant who became a citizen through marriage. I’m a naturalized citizen born outside the US. Am I “foreign-born”? Am I “other”?

 

[LA - L.A.]

That margin is just gonna get wider.

When you factor in that since Roe was overturned in 2022 polls have underestimated actual voting for Democrats by a minimum of 5% on average, then the current polling trends are very favorable for Harris.

Not a prediction just a desire, I'd love to see Harris Ronald Reagan Trump and I'm really hoping that Carter lives long enough to cast his vote for Harris. Would be such a sweet ending to what Nixon and his minions like Roger Stone started and kept going for way too long.

 

[LA - L.A.]

A lot of Republicans are publicly expressing support for Harris, and as we already know, many with ties to his administration.

That could create a critical mass of permission for a lot of die hard Republican voters to vote for a non-Republican, just this once. If it does reach that critical mass, then Trump doesn't have a chance and it won't bode well for Republicans keeping control of the House and getting control of the Senate.

 

[LA - L.A.]

To be fair, I don’t think Trump is necessarily “trying” to destroy the country - it’s just the collateral damage of his supreme selfishness and ego. Which is actually more disturbing.

I agree that those are his end goals, but destroying the country is definitely his intended means to reach his end goal.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Weird is just the best description for this. Well, delusional works too, I suppose.

That's film and tv smoke an mirrors 101. Trump is always on set in his mind. Everything for him is about shaping and controlling perception. He's all controlled image and no substance.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The “native-born” citizen vs “foreign-born” citizen distinction SFL raised has me thinking. My father I would say is clearly a “native-born” citizen; my mother is an immigrant who became a citizen through marriage. I’m a naturalized citizen born outside the US. Am I “foreign-born”? Am I “other”?

1 drop rule, brother. /sarcasm

 

[Optimus Prime]

Painful watch

We definitely talked about this before that the rise of Trump flipped a switch in some people

Some of those people were friends, coworkers, neighbors and family

We talk about Jan 6th, election lies, Covid, Charlottesville, abortion, kids in cages and on and on and on

But we can’t forget about how he emboldened people to give voice and act on their worse impulses

If Jan 6th, Covid etc had never happened just Trump lowering the level of decency in private and political discourse the way he has is enough for him to to never be in the White House again

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

There’s a whole bunch of “native-born” people dying to take those jobs, MT.

and the right will be against giving these native born who want these jobs to get native born pay minimums and expect it to be done for the pay by the immigrants.. that is the REAL reason the right won't ever allow mass deportation and freeze the border, they only use that to get votes.. there have been many times Republicans had the house, Senate and presidency, yet nothing was ever really done.

 

[faceman]

When you factor in that since Roe was overturned in 2022 polls have underestimated actual voting for Democrats by a minimum of 5% on average, then the current polling trends are very favorable for Harris.

Not a prediction just a desire, I'd love to see Harris Ronald Reagan Trump and I'm really hoping that Carter lives long enough to cast his vote for Harris. Would be such a sweet ending to what Nixon and his minions like Roger Stone started and kept going for way too long.

Yeah, all you have to do is look at 2022 midterms. The Red wave that was predicted never happened.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Yeah, all you have to do is look at 2022 midterms. The Red wave that was predicted never happened.

It continued to happen in all of the primary elections over the last year. The more progressive Democrats did better than the polls in head to head elections with more conservative Democrats. The less conservative Republicans did better than the polls in head to head with more conservative Republicans. The same was true in open primaries.

For whatever reason, polls have a conservative bias that the pollsters haven't be able to solve yet.

 

[SamAndreas]

A story put on Twitter by Jason Kander, who was in politics for a while and may be making a comeback, about Harris.

“A quick personal story about our next POTUS:

I became friends with @KamalaHarris and @DouglasEmhoff in 2015 when she and I were both preparing to run for Senate. She won her race and I didn’t but we remained friends and I would visit her sometimes during trips to DC.

We were friends, but not super close, which is pretty common for friendships in politics.

In 2018, after I dropped out of the 2020 presidential mix and then out of public life for a while to go to the VA for PTSD therapy, she called and checked in on me regularly.

She would sometimes call just to catch up, or sometimes she had a big speech or meeting coming up with a veterans or national security group and I’d be a sounding board.

I don’t know how much she actually needed advice about that stuff when she asked for it, and I don’t know how much I helped, but her asking made me feel valuable at a time when I’d sort of given the world permission to forget about me, and I appreciated that gesture a lot.

I remember once in 2020 I was standing in Costco when she called. She had her veterans policy person on the line because she wanted to run some language by me. Once that was done, she thanked that person and then politely asked they go ahead and drop off the line so she could catch up with me.

She wanted an update on how I was doing and we talked for a couple minutes, then I told her I was thinking about doing some TV surrogate stuff for the campaign.

It was kind of a big deal decision for me at the time because I’d been out of the mix almost 2 years by then. She then spent a couple minutes describing in great detail how to set up my home office to make cable hits easy and comfortable.

I still use the ring light she suggested.

Anyway, my point in sharing this admittedly uneventful and humdrum anecdote is that I’m excited about her not just because she’s smart and capable and hard working and believes in the right things. I’m also excited because - in my experience - she’s a downright decent person who shows people respect and makes sure they feel seen.

And I’m not trying to do some humblebrag flex either because I’ll be the first to tell you we’re not close friends. We’re friendly acquaintances. But that’s my point.

She is the type of person who is thoughtful enough to treat a peer like a peer even when they’ve tapped out and are - professionally - no longer really a peer.

And that’s the kind of everyday decency I believe she’ll bring to the presidency.”

Oh my, he does appear to be kinfolk. I wonder where he got that red hair?

A whole lot of the political folk from both the Republican and Democratic sides in Missouri are my kin folk. On my mothers side I have 14 generations on the US. On my father's side I have 12 generations in the US. Both sides get me back to the revolutionary war period.

In Missouri it's both my mothers and fathers side of the family who has roots there. Jason Kander appears to be from my father's side. The Secretary of State who preceded him was from my mother's side.

I'm related to all but one or two of the Presidents this country has ever had. However I'm not related to Kamala Harris. But I am related to Obama. And the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson and Truman, FDR, etc. etc. going all the way back.

My mothers side got here in the 1630's. My father's side in about 1700.

 

[SamAndreas]

The “native-born” citizen vs “foreign-born” citizen distinction SFL raised has me thinking. My father I would say is clearly a “native-born” citizen; my mother is an immigrant who became a citizen through marriage. I’m a naturalized citizen born outside the US. Am I “foreign-born”? Am I “other”?

I recall a case in New York state which was decided around the time of the American Revolution, which dealt with that question.

That common law ruling was that a nation's citizens are those who say they are its citizens. That seemed like it was a practical solution.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Two years ago today, I watched as Kamala Harris cast the tie-breaking vote for the largest climate investment in American history. It was an emotional moment. After decades of inaction, America had finally passed a climate law – one of the strongest climate laws in the world.

I didn’t know it then, but a month later I would get a call asking if I would like to interview the vice-president about climate policy.

When we spoke, Harris demonstrated a depth I didn’t expect – she geeked out over heat pumps, confessed her love of electric school buses and described the heavy burdens poorer communities face from air pollution.

The more I learned about her background, the more I found a clear pattern: policy ideas that she championed became central to federal legislation. Our nation’s landmark climate law, which is turning two years old this month, has Harris’s signature all over it.

You can trace her influence by looking at her earliest days as a politician, then following the bills she sponsored as a senator, and finally examining her 2020 Presidential campaign platform.

During the earliest days of the Biden-Harris administration, when the Build Back Better agenda was coming together, Harris made sure that her priorities stayed on the list: electric school buses, cleaner water and investments for communities.

While she hasn’t been given the credit, as vice-president, Harris has worked behind the scenes to champion her climate policies. And she’s managed to get a long list of her ideas signed into law.……

Kamala Harris played a crucial role in passing one of the strongest climate laws in the world | Leah C Stokes

America’s landmark climate law, which turns two years old this month, has Harris’s signature all over it

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

posted in another thread but this line stuck out to me

curious if this ratio is mirrored in other suburban areas nation wide
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As in other suburban areas across the U.S., a pro-Trump pedigree is likely to be a political liability in November in Johnson County, a former GOP stronghold where Democratic voter registrations have grown nine times faster than Republican ones since 2016............

Embracing election conspiracies could sink a Kansas sheriff who once looked invulnerable

The sheriff in Kansas’ most populous county is facing a contentious Republican primary after taking on election fraud as a cause.

apnews.com

 

[MT15]

posted in another thread

curious if this ratio is mirrored in other suburban areas nation wide
======================================

As in other suburban areas across the U.S., a pro-Trump pedigree is likely to be a political liability in November in Johnson County, a former GOP stronghold where Democratic voter registrations have grown nine times faster than Republican ones since 2016............

Embracing election conspiracies could sink a Kansas sheriff who once looked invulnerable

The sheriff in Kansas’ most populous county is facing a contentious Republican primary after taking on election fraud as a cause.

apnews.com

I did see over the weekend that Harris is actually advertising in TX, so they must think that TX might be in play.

 

[MT15]

Trump is absolutely giddy that the stock market is down today. That’s because he only cares about himself. Ordinary Americans mean less than nothing to him. Oh, and he has an impressive track record during his term of presiding over historic drops in the market.



Text from tweet:
Here are the 10 Largest Daily Percentage Dow Jones Drops in recent history, along with the president who was in charge during each stock market collapse:

- President: Reagan
October 19, 1987 - Percentage Drop: -22.61%

- President: Trump
March 16, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -12.93%

- President: Hoover
October 28, 1929 - Percentage Drop: -12.82%

- President: Trump
March 12, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -9.99%

- President: Hoover
October 29, 1929 - Percentage Drop: -11.73%

- President: Trump
March 9, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -7.79%

- President: George W. Bush
October 15, 2008 - Percentage Drop: -7.87%

- President: George W. Bush
September 29, 2008 - Percentage Drop: -6.98%

- President: Trump
June 11, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -6.90%

- President: Trump
February 27, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -4.42%

Number of Top 10 Drops:
- Trump 5/10
- Bush 2/10
- Hoover 2/10
- Reagan 1/10
- Biden 0/10

 

[B4YOU]

Trump could win if he could stay on message about the economy, inflation, and stock market. The racial dog whistles are losing people.

Trump is absolutely giddy that the stock market is down today. That’s because he only cares about himself. Ordinary Americans mean less than nothing to him. Oh, and he has an impressive track record during his term of presiding over historic drops in the market.



Text from tweet:
Here are the 10 Largest Daily Percentage Dow Jones Drops in recent history, along with the president who was in charge during each stock market collapse:

- President: Reagan
October 19, 1987 - Percentage Drop: -22.61%

- President: Trump
March 16, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -12.93%

- President: Hoover
October 28, 1929 - Percentage Drop: -12.82%

- President: Trump
March 12, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -9.99%

- President: Hoover
October 29, 1929 - Percentage Drop: -11.73%

- President: Trump
March 9, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -7.79%

- President: George W. Bush
October 15, 2008 - Percentage Drop: -7.87%

- President: George W. Bush
September 29, 2008 - Percentage Drop: -6.98%

- President: Trump
June 11, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -6.90%

- President: Trump
February 27, 2020 - Percentage Drop: -4.42%

Number of Top 10 Drops:
- Trump 5/10
- Bush 2/10
- Hoover 2/10
- Reagan 1/10
- Biden 0/10

Trump could win if he could stick to just the economy, inflation, and stock market. His racial comments will sink him and I don't think he can avoid being who he is.