General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (9 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[coldseat]

I wonder how many people declined to vote for Harris due to race or sex or both. Hard to say.

We already elected a black POTUS. Twice. We elect women to serve all across the country in a variety of roles. I have no issue voting for women but some people might. I don’t see that it played a major role in this election. Maybe you have polling data that says otherwise.

A lot of peoples attitudes changed after Obama was elected. Even a significant portion of the people that voted for him. Many of those same people turned around and voted for Trump, a racist. Republicans convinced many of those white working class voters that the true source of their discontent were minorities and policies that sought to address the effects of centuries of policies that disadvantaged poor minority communities. And it started as soon as Obama was elected. If that hadn't happened we wouldn't have had the DEI backlash and demonization that occurred through Trump and Biden's administration. You also had the backlash to the "Me Too" movement that confronted many powerful men with their past misdeeds and sexism.

In other words, we aren't who we were in 2008 and as a nation we have regressed in terms of our attitudes towards race and sex. Even to the point to where a portions of minorities and women have bought into it, to their own determent. Trump promised to take us back and he succeeded. We will continue to regress throughout his next administration.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I wonder how many people declined to vote for Harris due to race or sex or both. Hard to say.

We already elected a black POTUS. Twice. We elect women to serve all across the country in a variety of roles. I have no issue voting for women but some people might. I don’t see that it played a major role in this election. Maybe you have polling data that says otherwise.

Hard to put a number on it? Sure. not hard to say that it happened because people have admitted it themselves.

I wonder how many people who claim they didn't vote for her because of inflation or economy, but it was really or mostly due to her race or gender

We already elected a black POTUS. Twice.

This statement. "We already elected a black POTUS. Twice." Therefore, there is no such thing as racism anymore.

Is this the new "I can't be racist! I have a black friend!"?

"America can't be racist! We elected a black POTUS! In fact, we did it TWICE!!"

Most of the time it's "We already elected a black POTUS. Twice." Rarely "I voted for a black POTUS. Twice"

We, as in the royal "we", but not "I", so it's more accurately not "we" but "they"

'Can you believe "they" voted for a black POTUS. Twice. Can you believe "they" did something so unbelievably stupid?'

But in a way I get that. "We" elected Trump. Twice.

Electing a black POTUS led to enrollment in the KKK and other such groups to skyrocket, as well as traffic on those type of websites/podcasts/twitter

Electing a black POTUS led directly to the rise of Donald Trump

Do you think all sexism and sexual harassment disappears at a company with a female CEO?

 

[TampaJoe]

Hard to put a number on it? Sure. not hard to say that it happened because people have admitted it themselves.

I wonder how many people who claim they didn't vote for her because of inflation or economy, but it was really or mostly due to her race or gender



This statement. "We already elected a black POTUS. Twice." Therefore, there is no such thing as racism anymore.

Is this the new "I can't be racist! I have a black friend!"?

"America can't be racist! We elected a black POTUS! In fact, we did it TWICE!!"

Most of the time it's "We already elected a black POTUS. Twice." Rarely "I voted for a black POTUS. Twice"

We, as in the royal "we", but not "I", so it's more accurately not "we" but "they"

'Can you believe "they" voted for a black POTUS. Twice. Can you believe "they" did something so unbelievably stupid?'

But in a way I get that. "We" elected Trump. Twice.

Electing a black POTUS led to enrollment in the KKK and other such groups to skyrocket, as well as traffic on those type of websites/podcasts/twitter

Electing a black POTUS led directly to the rise of Donald Trump

Do you think all sexism and sexual harassment disappears at a company with a female CEO?

I dunno that I said or inferred all racism ended with the Obama election. But one can take anything to the extreme. I can’t speak for everyone but I didn’t vote for Harris and it had nothing to do with her race or gender.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I dunno that I said or inferred all racism ended with the Obama election. But one can take anything to the extreme. I can’t speak for everyone but I didn’t vote for Harris and it had nothing to do with her race or gender.

Maybe not all, but you absolutely implied at least some

The article said that the loss could at least partly be blamed on racism

Your response to that was

We already elected a black POTUS. Twice.

What exactly did you mean by that statement?

 

[TampaJoe]

Maybe not all, but you absolutely implied at least some

The article said that the loss could at least partly be blamed on racism

Your response to that was



What exactly did you mean by that statement?

I meant we already elected a black President twice. Exactly. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I meant we already elected a black President twice. Exactly. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I think you meant something more

 

[TampaJoe]

I think you meant something more

I don’t control what you think. I meant nothing more than exactly what I posted. Make of it what you will. If you are predisposed to think in extremes you will read that into everything I suppose. That would be your problem.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I don’t control what you think. I meant nothing more than exactly what I posted. Make of it what you will. If you are predisposed to think in extremes you will read that into everything I suppose. That would be your problem.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don’t control what you think. I meant nothing more than exactly what I posted. Make of it what you will. If you are predisposed to think in extremes you will read that into everything I suppose. That would be your problem.

Then why not clarify? Add some context so we understand how you meant it.

 

[bird]

I wonder how many people declined to vote for Harris due to race or sex or both. Hard to say.

We already elected a black POTUS. Twice. We elect women to serve all across the country in a variety of roles. I have no issue voting for women but some people might. I don’t see that it played a major role in this election. Maybe you have polling data that says otherwise.

30% Latino men voted for Trump, 40% Black men voted for Trump but misogyny played no role.

Oh, electing a Black man twice means we’re post-racial as conservatives/Republicans like to claim. This is also know as bullschlitz.

 

[t_rav_82]

I think he meant, we already elected a black man.... So shut up for the next 250 years. After that you can have another one. For clarity, this is my opinion, and Tampa has told me 100 times in 200 posts that I'm entitled to my opinion.

 

[TampaJoe]

Then why not clarify? Add some context so we understand how you meant it.

My statement was simple and direct. When questioned about it, I clearly stated that I meant nothing more than what I clearly stated in plain English. I don’t know how much more clarity or context I can add.

 

[TampaJoe]

30% Latino men voted for Trump, 40% Black men voted for Trump but misogyny played no role.

Oh, electing a Black man twice means we’re post-racial as conservatives/Republicans like to claim. This is also know as bullschlitz.

It is bs. You are right about that.

If you want to believe Harris’s loss is more about race and gender and not about policy, the economy among other things, that’s up to you. I don’t see it that way. Biden was further behind in the polls and he was an old white guy. Explain that.

 

[bird]

It is bs. You are right about that.

If you want to believe Harris’s loss is more about race and gender and not about policy, the economy among other things, that’s up to you. I don’t see it that way. Biden was further behind in the polls and he was an old white guy. Explain that.

I am pleased that you recognize that Obama being elected twice does not mean the country is post-racial.

Re: Biden

Not difficult. Because he was deemed old due to one bad debate.

Now, we have another euphemism to deal with.

 

[TampaJoe]

I am pleased that you recognize that Obama being elected twice does not mean the country is post-racial.

Re: Biden

Not difficult. Because he was deemed old due to one bad debate.

Now, we have another euphemism to deal with.

He was losing the same demographics as Harris. I’m not sure that solely an age issue. I admit his age had a lot to do with it and was definitely as issue. But he was polling behind Trump in just about every issue except abortion.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

My statement was simple and direct. When questioned about it, I clearly stated that I meant nothing more than what I clearly stated in plain English. I don’t know how much more clarity or context I can add.

It clearly was not simple and direct if people have no idea what you meant by it. Your explanation that it was simply a comment without meaning, given the context of the discussion and the post you replied to, reeks of bullshirt. You are either a grown man who is afraid to say what he really thinks or a grown man who doesn't have the intelligence to follow and participate in a simple conversation. Which is it?

 

[TampaJoe]

It clearly was not simple and direct if people have no idea what you meant by it. Your explanation that it was simply a comment without meaning, given the context of the discussion and the post you replied to, reeks of bullshirt. You are either a grown man who is afraid to say what he really thinks or a grown man who doesn't have the intelligence to follow and participate in a simple conversation. Which is it?

Tell me what in the statement was unclear. I don’t control what you or anyone else reads into things. I stated it meant nothing more than what I posted. It didn’t mean racism ended with the Obama election. I clearly didn’t say that. As a grownup you should not read into things that which is not there.

I try and say exactly what I mean. I’m not always successful but I’m happy to clear up any confusion. When asked if I was implying something other that what I said, I cleared that up.

I don’t know what more you require. A picture or graph?

 

[Dragon]

I don't believe it was primarily about race but rather about gender.

We’ve observed a noticeable movement among a significant group of men longing for a return to the traditional family structure, where the man is the head of the household.

Over the past 20 years, the traditional role of men has come under pressure. Women are excelling academically, often surpassing men, and increasingly occupying leadership roles that were once predominantly male domains. For some men, especially those who struggle in their careers, it can be challenging to accept a secondary role—not only in the workplace but also at home, particularly if their wife’s career is more successful.

It’s important to remember that it wasn’t so long ago that women couldn’t independently sign a loan or contract without their husband’s co-signature. Some men still hold onto the belief that a woman’s primary role should be as a homemaker.

This may help explain why African American and Hispanic men, in particular, leaned toward Trump over Harris.