General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (2 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[SaintForLife]

White Women for Harris? Did they talk about using their privilege to vote for Harris?

I called it. Speaking of weird....

 

[SaintForLife]

If Trump hadn't made this comment but Kamala did there is zero chance you "wouldn't think anything of Harris saying that"

Zero

Not quite because I know that Presidents can't eliminate elections.

You won't even answer the question because you know Presidents can't stop elections despite the left flipping out over trivial nonsense.

 

[Nebaghead]

One guy tried to stop an election. Who was that? Whatever he said, excuses are made of what he really meant or that you can’t believe everything he says.

On the other hand, what ever a dem says is the gospel and there is no gray area.

 

[SaintForLife]

One guy tried to stop an election. Who was that? Whatever he said, excuses are made of what he really meant or that you can’t believe everything he says.

On the other hand, what ever a dem says is the gospel and there is no gray area.

Was he able to stop people from voting?

Oh wait that's what the Democrat party did with Harris.

Also, the delegates aren't actual voters.

 

[Nebaghead]

Was he able to stop people from voting?

Oh wait that's what the Democrat party did with Harris.

Also, the delegates aren't actual voters.

He attempted to stop the votes that were made. You think he didn’t ask Pence to not certify the election.

The delegates are elected and have to vote for their nominee unless released. That is how it works. Once they are released, they can vote for anyone they want. It wasn’t until the 50’s that the primaries were even used to select a nominee for president.

GOP protectors of Facism.

 

[SamAndreas]

I called it. Speaking of weird....

You sure did, "Speaking of weird..."

I want to bring up The Point, it's weird as well. It speaks to this form of weirdness. It's edicuational like as in school, If you sort this out first about points, you'll be set to figure out this latest bit of manslation, that is decoding the secret language of men. The Point.

It's a story about points, a boy, and his faithful dog Arrow. It's not a story about girls.

There's a mom, a nice mom, every boy has a mom.

 

[SaintRob]

Do you think he meant there won't be any more elections after he's elected?

Explain how he would do that exactly with our constitution and all the protections?

I wouldn't think anything of Harris saying that because it's silly to think that the President can eliminate elections.

He has said that he wants to be dictator for a day.

He has said that he wants to make thousands of government jobs "at-will" so that he can fire them and install his loyalists in those positions.

He just told a group of Christians that they need to vote this one time and in 4 years they won't have to vote anymore because it will be fixed.

He has presumed presidential immunity for all official acts without a determination of what exactly is an official act, thanks to the SCOTUS.

Although he claims to not know anything about Project 2025, many of his previous presidential appointees are involved with the writing of it.

He attempted to overthrow the results of the 2020 election where he lost to Biden with baseless claims of voter fraud, a recorded phone call where he asked to find enough votes to give him the victory, was part of a plot to have fake electors send certification to claim he won several states, and incited the J6 riot.

He has threatened to weaponize the justice system in a second term to get revenge on his political opponents for what he claims is political prosecution of him, despite evidence that he is being prosecuted solely for crimes that he has committed.

He's telling us right out in the open what he wants to do and we should take him at his word. I have no doubt he would try something like keeping himself in office at the end of his second term.

I also think that with a republican majority in congress, the right people in positions throughout the government where he has placed loyalists, the backing of the SCOTUS, and with support of Christian Nationalists and the Federalist Society, that it's not outside the realm of possibility that he could make it happen. Hopefully there would still remain enough checks and balances to stop it from happening, but I'm not so sure there currently are enough to stop it if he were to attempt it.

 

[MT15]

Not quite because I know that Presidents can't eliminate elections.

You won't even answer the question because you know Presidents can't stop elections despite the left flipping out over trivial nonsense.

Why on earth would a politician tell people after this next election you won’t have to vote ever again? That makes zero sense, unless you are planning to change laws so that your side cannot lose. That’s what he meant. The feeble excuse being put forth is a joke. In a real representative democracy voting is always important. It’s only not needed in authoritarian regimes.

Quit spouting talking points to try to excuse promised authoritarianism.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Do you think he meant there won't be any more elections after he's elected?

Explain how he would do that exactly with our constitution and all the protections?

I wouldn't think anything of Harris saying that because it's silly to think that the President can eliminate elections.

He's already tried stealing one election
An army of his supporters stormed the United States Capitol
Asked Georgia to 'find' 11K votes (wouldn't be surprised if he asked other states also call just not on tape)
Fake elector scheme
Openly admires dictators
Says he'll be a dictator for 'one day'
Publicly mused about staying in office past election term
He and his supporters have disparaged and threatened election volunteers (many of whom have quit after doing it for 30 years, offices understaffed)
Laws passed to make it harder to register to vote
Laws passed to ban voting registration drives
Laws passed to ban "souls to the polls" targeting a specific group of people
Laws passed to ban giving food, water or chairs to people waiting in hours long lines
Eliminating number of election sites so there will be more hours long waits (take a guess where that happens most often)
Easier for some jurisdictions to toss people off voting rolls
Laws passed to make it easier for citizens to challenge validity of people being on the voting rolls
Harder and time consuming to get back on voting rolls after kicked off (which may come after the election - 'you're right, you should have been able to vote, oops, our bad')
Easier for some voting boards not to certify the vote or outright change the outcome if there is 'reasonable suspicion' of voter fraud, which of course there will because they've been screaming nonstop about it for 4 years, no matter that there is no evidence of any large scale, widespread fraud
Voter intimation at voting sites
Gerrymandered maps, using biased maps in defiance of court rulings
A plan to basically dismantle the government as we've known it for decades and remake it in a very specific image
A highly ideological and partisan Supreme Court who has already shown a willingness to toss out decades of precedence and settled law

When the person responsible, encouraging or benefiting from all this says to his largest most consistent and reliable voting block you won't have to vote again to me he meant one of two things either there will be literally no more elections or more likely he meant if they win this time around they'll put things in place so they won't have to worry about the outcome of future "elections"

Someone responsible for, encouraging or benefiting from all this gets no benefit of the doubt from me

Even if he had said "I'm asking for your vote, one last time" which would be true, if elected he couldn't run for a third time, (and would be a much better comment than 'you won't have to vote again') I'd still give a raised eyebrow to that comment

 

[Optimus Prime]

He was saying that Christians won’t have to vote again because he’s going to do such a great job solving all their supposed problems.

I've answered your question now answer mine

Elaborate on this please

Suppose the second Trump Administration is a rip roaring success and all the Christians 'supposed problems' are solved

Why 'exactly' would that mean Christians (again, one of the GOP's largest, most reliable voting block for decades) wouldn't have to vote again 2028 (or ever again)?

Things will be so great the Dems won't bother to field a candidate?

Things will be so great that enough independents, non voters and even democrats will vote GOP that they won't need the votes of their biggest supporters anymore?

Things will be so unbelievably, undeniably GOP great that tens of millions of Democratic voters will be depressed and won't even bother to vote? "What's the point?"

 

[SaintForLife]

He's already tried stealing one election
An army of his supporters stormed the United States Capitol
Asked Georgia to 'find' 11K votes (wouldn't be surprised if he asked other states also call just not on tape)
Fake elector scheme
Openly admires dictators
Says he'll be a dictator for 'one day'
Publicly mused about staying in office past election term
He and his supporters have disparaged and threatened election volunteers (many have quit after doing it for 30 years, offices understaffed)
Laws passed to make it harder to register to vote
Laws passed to ban voting registration drives
Laws passed to ban "souls to the polls" targeting a specific group of people
Laws passed to ban giving food or water or chairs to people waiting in hours long lines
Eliminating number of election sites so there will be more hours long waits
Easier for some jurisdictions to toss people off voting rolls
Laws passed to make it easier for citizen to challenge validity of people being on the voting rolls
Harder to get back on voting rolls after kicked off (which may come after the election)
Easier for some voting boards not to certify vote out outright change outcome if there is 'reasonable suspicion' of voter fraud, which of course there will because they've been screaming nonstop about it for 4 years, no matter that there is no evidence of any large scale widespread fraud
Voter intimation at voting sites
Gerrymandered maps, using biased maps in defiance of court rulings
A plan to basically dismantle the government as we've known it for decades and remake it in a very specific image
A highly ideological and partisan Supreme Court who has already shown a willingness to toss out decades of precedence and settled law

When someone responsible, encouraging or benefiting from all this says to his largest most consistent and reliable voting block you won't have to vote again to me he meant one of two things either there will be literally no more elections or more likely he meant if they win this time around they'll put things in place so they won't have to worry about the outcome of future "elections"

Someone responsible, encouraging or benefiting from all this gets no benefit of the doubt from me

Even if he had said "I'm asking for your vote, one last time" which would be true if elected he couldn't run for a third time, (and would be a much better comment than 'you won't have to vote again') I'd still give a raised eyebrow to that comment

Are you saying that's how Trump could eliminate elections or just some talking points?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I called it. Speaking of weird....

"If you find yourself talking over or speaking for BIPOC individuals or- God forbid, correcting them- just take a beat, and instead we can put our listening ears on."

Do you think it is polite or impolite to talk over people when they share their personal stories?

Do you think it is polite or impolite to correct people when they share their personal stories?

Do you think it is polite or impolite to listen attentively to people when they share their personal stories?

 

[SaintForLife]

I've answered your question now answer mine

Elaborate on this please

Suppose the second Trump Administration is a rip roaring success and all the Christians 'supposed problems' are solved

Why 'exactly' would that mean Christians (again, one of the GOP's largest, most reliable voting block for decades) wouldn't have to vote again 2028 (or ever again)?

Things will be so great the Dems won't bother to field a candidate?

Things will be so great that enough independents, non voters and even democrats will vote GOP that they won't need the votes of their biggest supporters anymore?

Things will be so unbelievably, undeniably GOP great that tens of millions of Democratic voters will be depressed and won't even bother to vote? "What's the point?"

I don't think you answered my question about how Trump could eliminate elections, but it's hard to tell from your post that I just replied to.

I'm not saying Trump would accomplish this, but he is claiming that he will have the country’s problems fixed so well that he won't have to ask Christians for their vote because most of the country would be voting for him at that point.

One can say he's full of shirt and he won't fix everything, but disingenuous to claim he was talking about eliminating elections.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don't think you answered my question about how Trump could eliminate elections, but it's hard to tell from your post that I just replied to.

I'm not saying Trump would accomplish this, but he is claiming that he will have the country’s problems fixed so well that he won't have to ask Christians for their vote because most of the country would be voting for him at that point.

One can say he's full of shirt and he won't fix everything, but disingenuous to claim he was talking about eliminating elections.

Are you saying that if Trump wins, he will do such an incredible job that the record number of people who voted against him in 2020 will suddenly cast their votes for his GOP successor in 2028?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Are you saying that if Trump wins, he will do such an incredible job that the record number of people who voted against him in 2020 will suddenly cast their votes for his GOP successor in 2028?

Or get a massive amount of the people who never/rarely vote to exclaim "Holy shirt is my life great! I need to vote for more of this!"

 

[Optimus Prime]

I don't think you answered my question about how Trump could eliminate elections, but it's hard to tell from your post that I just replied to.

I'm not saying Trump would accomplish this, but he is claiming that he will have the country’s problems fixed so well that he won't have to ask Christians for their vote because most of the country would be voting for him at that point.

One can say he's full of shirt and he won't fix everything, but disingenuous to claim he was talking about eliminating elections.

Eliminate as in no more voting? Doubtful

More of a stacking of the deck so the outcome is very much in their favor

 

[SamAndreas]

No one told Joe Biden to stop campaigning.

 

[SaintRob]

I don't think you answered my question about how Trump could eliminate elections, but it's hard to tell from your post that I just replied to.

I'm not saying Trump would accomplish this, but he is claiming that he will have the country’s problems fixed so well that he won't have to ask Christians for their vote because most of the country would be voting for him at that point.

One can say he's full of shirt and he won't fix everything, but disingenuous to claim he was talking about eliminating elections.

Voting for him for what? He will have had his second term. Unless his plan is to get people to vote for a 3rd term, in which case he will have made changes to keep himself in office past his second term. I think you're right. He's telling us right out in the open what he wants to do.