General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (2 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Nebaghead]

He's reporting the news:

Exclusive | ABC News rejects Kamala Harris’ last-minute bid to change Trump debate rules, will keep muted mics

A network email reviewed by The Post lays out similar rules as those for Trump’s June 27 CNN debate against President Biden.

nypost.com

I'm sorry it's not Ron Filipkowski who is paid by the Democrat party to post anti-Trump stuff. I know you guys love his propaganda..I mean his posts.

Did you even read the article? They are asking for unmuted mics, nothing about cheat sheets or notes. So your source just made up stuff to make it sound more salacious. FYI, independent sources on twitter are looking for clicks to make money.

 

[SaintForLife]

so what you are saying the gov't should spend millions of dollars to have another primary? I know you are butt hurt over Harris having a better chance to beat Trump than Biden.

I'm saying the Democrats did anti-democracy things the past 3 elections in their own primaries which just exposes their protect democracy schtick is nothing more than a campaign slogan.

Democrats are frauds while holding themselves up as the protectors of democracy from the evil Trump.

But i would really love for you to answer my question about should the past presidents who were elected before parties did primaries, if you consider them legit?

I can't speak on those presidents because I wasn't alive then. Nowadays we let voter decide who is nominee for President and not elites like Obama.

Do you think because the voters didnt vote for the president back then that means its okay today?

Should we bring back slavery or not letting women vote too?

I wish you could give one point on why it matters if she was voted for or chosen to be nominated (we've asked multiple times) ,you just keep spouting "but no one voted for her"..

Its very simple. In our system of government the citizens are supposed to decide who the nominee for President is. Just because you guys tried to run a corpse and got caught doesn't change that.

You will see how many people will vote for her in November when she wins. and that will be the proof in the pudding that they made the right choice.
But i serously doubt you can up with one LOGICAL reason why it matters.. just one... thats all im asking...

It's just hilarious that the least popular VP of all time is now suddenly the next Obama in regard to enthusiasm and joy. Nobody is buying that mularkey except Democrats.

 

[Nebaghead]

I'm saying the Democrats did anti-democracy things the past 3 elections in their own primaries which just exposes their protect democracy schtick is nothing more than a campaign slogan.

Democrats are frauds while holding themselves up as the protectors of democracy from the evil Trump.


I can't speak on those presidents because I wasn't alive then. Nowadays we let voter decide who is nominee for President and not elites like Obama.

Do you think because the voters didnt vote for the president back then that means its okay today?

Should we bring back slavery or not letting women vote too?

Its very simple. In our system of government the citizens are supposed to decide who the nominee for President is. Just because you guys tried to run a corpse and got caught doesn't change that.


It's just hilarious that the least popular VP of all time is now suddenly the next Obama in regard to enthusiasm and joy. Nobody is buying that mularkey except Democrats.

Show me where it says citizens get to pick the nominee in the constitution. I will wait here for your reply till forever because it doesn’t exist. The people who should be upset (democrats) are not upset at all and love the choice.

 

[MT15]

I hope the geniuses in the Harris campaign keep talking about this which will highlight the disastrous Biden/Harris Afghanistan withdrawal.

Trump was invited there by gold star families.



It's not that Biden was rude to the Gold Star families by checking his watch as their coffins came off the plane and by only wanting to talk to them about his own son who died of brain cancer.

It's not that Kamala Harris bragged about being the "last person in the room" making the decisions that led to their deaths, that she's never once reached out to the Gold Star families, and that not a single person was fired for the disaster that occurred three years ago.

It's not that on the anniversary of their deaths, Joe Biden was at the beach and Kamala Harris was doing nothing.

No. The media has decided that the biggest scandal is that Donald Trump showed up to Arlington Cemetery to honor 13 American heroes at the invitation of their families who gave him permission to take pictures of the event.

Nobody ever said they couldn’t invite him and nobody said he couldn’t go. What is true is that he was warned not to take campaign staff back to the gravesites and not to do his own filming and photography back there. He agreed to that and then had his campaign staff ignore the law and his agreements and assault a woman who works at the cemetery when she tried to keep him from violating the law. He has since released a campaign ad using the footage. He didn’t show up to honor anyone but himself. It’s beyond obvious.

 

[SaintForLife]

Did you even read the article? They are asking for unmuted mics, nothing about cheat sheets or notes. So your source just made up stuff to make it sound more salacious. FYI, independent sources on twitter are looking for clicks to make money.

I guess the AP is in on the NY Post's scheme huh?

NEW YORK (AP) — Next month’s debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump won’t have an audience, live microphones when candidates aren’t speaking, or written notes, according to rules that ABC News, the host network, shared this week with both campaigns.

ABC's rules for the Harris-Trump debate include muted mics when candidates aren't speaking

Next month’s debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump won’t have an audience, live microphones or written notes.

apnews.com

 

[fooferdoggie]

Did you even read the article? They are asking for unmuted mics, nothing about cheat sheets or notes. So your source just made up stuff to make it sound more salacious. FYI, independent sources on twitter are looking for clicks to make money.

Remember when trump wanted open mics? amazing how that has changed.

 

[MT15]

He's reporting the news:

Tell me you aren’t talking about the NY Post as real news? OMG.

 

[efil4]

I'm sorry it's not Ron Filipkowski who is paid by the Democrat party to post anti-Trump stuff. I know you guys love his propaganda..I mean his posts.

Touche Glen Greenwald.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I'm saying the Democrats did anti-democracy things the past 3 elections in their own primaries which just exposes their protect democracy schtick is nothing more than a campaign slogan.

Democrats are frauds while holding themselves up as the protectors of democracy from the evil Trump.


I can't speak on those presidents because I wasn't alive then. Nowadays we let voter decide who is nominee for President and not elites like Obama.

Do you think because the voters didnt vote for the president back then that means its okay today?

Should we bring back slavery or not letting women vote too?

Its very simple. In our system of government the citizens are supposed to decide who the nominee for President is. Just because you guys tried to run a corpse and got caught doesn't change that.


It's just hilarious that the least popular VP of all time is now suddenly the next Obama in regard to enthusiasm and joy. Nobody is buying that mularkey except Democrats.

ok, so if Trump would have been killed, should they have allowed someone else to run as Republican candidate becausethey didn't win the Primary?

All those points still aren't logical points, they are just conspiracies made up by MAGAs..
But no where in the gov't is it written that a primary is required. not one single place. RNC and DNC are not gov't agencies. and if the people have a problem with what occured, then Harris' numbers wouldn't have surpassed Bidens. plain and simple.
There is ZERO credit to the agenda yall are trying to push with this. and yall look moronic repeating it. It just sounds like crying, and its noticable.

Biden up in the polls over Trump - Rs say hes unfit he needs to drop out. Bidens numbers fall after the debate - Rs are look, we told you! Biden drops out and Harris comes in and poll numbers are even higher than when Biden was at his height. Rs- THATS NOT FAIR WAAAAAAH, YALL CAN"T DO THAT!!! DRED SCOTT!! BIRTH CIRTIFICATE!! NO PRIMARIES!!! it all looks like a desperate ploy that everyone can see right through and they are tired of it..

 

[MT15]

I guess the AP is in on the NY Post's scheme huh?

NEW YORK (AP) — Next month’s debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump won’t have an audience, live microphones when candidates aren’t speaking, or written notes, according to rules that ABC News, the host network, shared this week with both campaigns.

ABC's rules for the Harris-Trump debate include muted mics when candidates aren't speaking

Next month’s debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump won’t have an audience, live microphones or written notes.

apnews.com

Your reading comprehension sucks. So show us where it says that Harris was asking to use notes, or to sit down. In fact the AP article points out those are claims from the Trump campaign only with zero proof. Harris campaign denies asking for anything except to unmute the mics.

 

[Nebaghead]

I guess the AP is in on the NY Post's scheme huh?

NEW YORK (AP) — Next month’s debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump won’t have an audience, live microphones when candidates aren’t speaking, or written notes, according to rules that ABC News, the host network, shared this week with both campaigns.

ABC's rules for the Harris-Trump debate include muted mics when candidates aren't speaking

Next month’s debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump won’t have an audience, live microphones or written notes.

apnews.com

In your original post Collin Ruggs said the following:

Harris, who was too nervous to do a debate on Fox News, tried making last-minute changes on ABC.These rules included having a "cheat sheet," being seated and keeping both microphones on at all times.

He is inferring she wants a cheat sheet and mics unmuted. She asked for unmuted mics and is being told no. She will still be at the debate. No where in either article you posted mentions anything about changing having notes.

 

[MT15]

Touche Glen Greenwald.

Or Greg Price or any number of other weirdos he posts all the time.

 

[MT15]

Remember when trump wanted open mics? amazing how that has changed.

His handlers want him muted. It was obviously a mistake by Biden to insist on that the first time. We need to hear his unhinged ramblings.

 

[Huntn]

Yahoo has an article that provides a comparison of each of the candidates. It's interesting that Trump hasn't taken a stance on a few of these.

Why Kamala Harris's approach to capital gains is generating so much controversy

A top business world critique of Kamala Harris since becoming the Democratic nominee is her endorsement of plans from the Biden administration that would reshape how the assets of America's richest citizens are taxed.

www.yahoo.com

Here is my opinion on each for discussion:

Income Tax cuts: Harris' plan to keep the cuts for people under $400k is the better policy for the economy. Trump's plan to make all tax cuts permanent, including for the higher income people is a gift to the rich and will add to the deficit. I only differ from Harris in that I would advocate that the cuts for those under $400k be made permanent. Also, at some point that will need to be linked to inflation.

Corporate Tax cuts: Harris is more right, but I don't like raising it as much. I wouldn't raise it from 21 to 28, I would only raise the rates a little to at most 25%, because raising it more could hurt the economy. Trump's plan to lower it even further will further add to the deficit, without appreciably helping the economy.

Other income: Both eliminate taxes on tips, which I'm okay with, because I think people cheat on what they report anyway. Current taxes encourages tipping with cash to hide the amounts. I wouldn't eliminate taxes on social security for all people, because that income was never taxed. If their earnings from all sources put them below the threshold that would pay income taxes, then they wouldn't pay taxes anyway. If they have extra income to put them into a higher bracket, then this is just a gift to higher earnings.

Child care tax credit: I support the increase proposed by Harris. I would like Harris to link these credits to inflation so it would go up each year. Trump hasn't taken a stance.

Green energy: I love that Harris will support Biden's plans, but will ease the electric vehicle adoption, but I don't like that she's backing off of the green electricity production. I own a plug-in hybrid that gets 35 miles of all electric range, and I think that is the best compromise, because the infrastructure isn't ready throughout the country, so it is appropriate to ease the electric vehicle mandate. I would like the government to invest in that infrastructure, including green production, which I think is part of Harris' plan. Trump wants to kill subsidies, which is far worse for the world's motivation to improve on climate change.

Healthcare: I don't favor Harris' plan to keep subsidies for higher income people. I think they can afford to pay without subsidies. I support forgiving medical debt for low income doctors that serve rural and low income communities, and any others that have a dearth of doctors. Trump's plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act, would cause medical inflation, and result in many people losing coverage, which will lead some to lose their life's savings and many will die due to delayed healthcare. It is a horrible idea to repeal a useful healthcare tool.

Immigration: I support Harris' plans to limit asylum and essentially sign the bi-partisan bill. On the other hand, I actually support expanding and improving the border wall, but not to the extent Trump advocates. I don't want walls added everywhere, since it isn't practical nor necessary everywhere, and creates more problems in some areas. Despite Trump's demagoguery on the wall and demonization of immigrants, walls are part of the solution to control entry, but not the silver bullet Trump believes. I oppose Trump's mass deportation plan, which will lead to huge civil liberty abuses against many innocent people. Trump's mass deportation would be a huge stain on the country.

Housing: I don't support Harris' plan to enact a $25k subsidy for first time home buyers, but I do support her plan to incentivize the supply. I think the $25k subsidy will be inflationary. It will result in all homes going up roughly $25k. The supply side is a much better approach to make the houses affordable. Maybe there is a way to do it without causing housing price inflation, but I'm skeptical. I'm totally against Trump's plan to pressure the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low, because that will eliminate a huge tool to stabilize inflation. I'm totally opposed Trump's plan to open federal land to development. I don't know what regulations he plans to ease, but I'm open to that.

Drug prices: I love Biden and Harris' plan to negotiate Medicare drug prices, since it is outrageous that the prices are so much lower in other countries. Trump's plan to soften negotiations is unclear, but I suspect it won't help consumers.

Ukraine: Harris' plan to continue aid to Ukraine is perfect, especially since it is renewing our stocks, which we sometimes destroy due to age. Trump's settlement plan is likely to have Ukraine appease and give yield their land to Russia, even though Russia is likely to lose if Trump loses. Putin is praying for a Trump victory.

Minimum wage: Harris' $15 mandate is not unreasonable, but will be slightly inflationary. I'm not opposed to raising it, but not doubling it, and I prefer the earned income tax credit approach. Trump's plan to keep it as is is bad, because it needs to be increased and it should be linked to inflation from now on. I would support a modest raise to $10 and then link it to inflation.

Student debt: I don't agree with either candidate on this one. I'm not in favor of Harris' plan to forgive student debt. I favor limiting annual payments based on a person's income and limiting the length of the loan payments to 30 years. I think the forgiveness diminishes the sacrifices that many people made that worked their way through college, so income based limits balances out some aid without diminishing the value of the efforts of the people that had to work their way through school. The debt forgiveness is also going to be paid by others indirectly, since banks will have to write-off those loans. Trump's plan to do nothing is also not good.

There is a real problem when politicians, mostly Republicans proclaim, “elect me and I’ll lower your taxes!” Traditionally the way this works under the GOP, there is zero discussion of our expenses, what we want, and how we plan on paying for it. The real gotcha is that average citizens get a $1 reduction, while the wealthy get $10k (relative), our infrastructure and social spending run in the red (contributing to national debt), and then patriotic Republicans sigh, “I’m so sorry we don’t have enough $$ to feed your starving kids, or even educate them” with their crocodile tears.

The Republican Party has been directly, mostly responsible for running the Nation into debt since Reagan, all the while wrapped in a faux fiscally responsible cloak. In essence, cut revenue but not expenses, pandering to the wealthy, then try to fool everyone about the cause.

 

[bird]

He's reporting the news:

Exclusive | ABC News rejects Kamala Harris’ last-minute bid to change Trump debate rules, will keep muted mics

A network email reviewed by The Post lays out similar rules as those for Trump’s June 27 CNN debate against President Biden.

nypost.com

I'm sorry it's not Ron Filipkowski who is paid by the Democrat party to post anti-Trump stuff. I know you guys love his propaganda..I mean his posts.

Meh, no worse than your bromance with Greenwald although usually far more truthful.

 

[MT15]

Its very simple. In our system of government the citizens are supposed to decide who the nominee for President is.

You will need to show us this. Where in the Constitution or in the code of law does it specify this?

 

[MT15]

Meh, no worse than your bromance with Greenwald although usually far more truthful.

As usual - when he does cite an actual source - it doesn’t say what he says it does. At this point he’s just hopeless.

 

[bird]

I'm saying the Democrats did anti-democracy things the past 3 elections in their own primaries which just exposes their protect democracy schtick is nothing more than a campaign slogan.

Democrats are frauds while holding themselves up as the protectors of democracy from the evil Trump.


I can't speak on those presidents because I wasn't alive then. Nowadays we let voter decide who is nominee for President and not elites like Obama.

Do you think because the voters didnt vote for the president back then that means its okay today?

Should we bring back slavery or not letting women vote too?

Its very simple. In our system of government the citizens are supposed to decide who the nominee for President is. Just because you guys tried to run a corpse and got caught doesn't change that.


It's just hilarious that the least popular VP of all time is now suddenly the next Obama in regard to enthusiasm and joy. Nobody is buying that mularkey except Democrats.

Political parties can do what they want. Get that through your thick skull.

And then answer why your false god interfered with the democratic institution of Congress by demanding Republicans not bring an immigration bill up for a vote especially since it contained most of what Republicans wanted.

Man, don’t approach a voting booth.