Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets (UPDATE: Trump admin. deploying federal LE to cities) (2 Viewers)

[Dragon]

“All United States Marshals Service arrestees have public records of arrest documenting their charges. Our agency did not arrest or detain Mark James Pettibone.”

OPB sent DHS an extensive list of questions about Pettibone’s arrest including: What is the legal justification for making arrests away from federal property? What is the legal justification for searching people who are not participating in criminal activity? Why are federal officers using civilian vehicles and taking people away in them? Are the arrests federal officers make legal under the constitution? If so, how?

After 7 p.m. Thursday, a DHS spokesperson responded, on background, that they could confirm Wolf was in Portland during the day. The spokesperson didn’t acknowledge the remaining questions.

Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14.

www.opb.org

This story is very troublesome.

 

[BobE]

Since it's open season on the constitution, the governor should just order the state police to arrest any federal agents walking around on the streets of any city in his state. They can make up the charges later. They can fight it out in court later.

I don't know if federal agents take the same oath as the military but the military has a duty to disobey unlawful orders. These federal agents are following unlawful orders. I think the majority of them are trump loyalist and therefore are enjoying hurting people they see as the enemy.

Then we can have Feds arrest all local and State cops and let the courts sort is out. Best part about it all? BOOM no more Police like some people want.

 

[Farb]

https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/trump-says-cuomo-must-end-nyc-crime-wave-or-he-will-step-in/

This is why the Feds are having to step in. If it makes you feel better, just pretend the 'protesters' are being detained for not social distancing and not wearing a mask properly. That should make all the hyperbolic talk seem more palatable.

 

[coldseat]

https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/trump-says-cuomo-must-end-nyc-crime-wave-or-he-will-step-in/

This is why the Feds are having to step in. If it makes you feel better, just pretend the 'protesters' are being detained for not social distancing and not wearing a mask properly. That should make all the hyperbolic talk seem more palatable.

So I take it you approve of the Trump and DHS are doing?

 

[MT15]

https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/trump-says-cuomo-must-end-nyc-crime-wave-or-he-will-step-in/

This is why the Feds are having to step in. If it makes you feel better, just pretend the 'protesters' are being detained for not social distancing and not wearing a mask properly. That should make all the hyperbolic talk seem more palatable.

Quoting Trump and then saying the other side is hyperbolic isn’t a good look, IMO. Or the NY Post either. They are not a serious newspaper.

 

[MT15]

This slide into authoritarianism is easy for some of you. So easy.

You would have to be freaking clueless to believe this is about ”violent crime”.

 

[MT15]

By way of explanation for people who are believing the “crime” nonsense. That bit of fluff insults every American’s Intelligence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/dhs-authorizes-personnel-to-collect-information-on-protesters-it-says-threaten-monuments/2020/07/20/6f58867c-cace-11ea-b0e3-d55bda07d66a_story.html

 

[Sandman]

I don't see how people can be okay with this. For those that are okay with this, substitute Obama for Trump and substitute Portland protesters with people that are protesting "right to life." Still okay?

 

[nolaspe]

Not all heroes wear capes, I mean clothes... Naked Athena shut 'em down...

Out of Portland tear gas, an apparition emerges, capturing the imagination of protesters

An iconic image has emerged on Twitter since early Saturday morning in Portland, when a woman wearing nothing but a mask and cap strode toward federal agents as they fired tear gas at protesters — a surreal image of human vulnerability in the face of an overpowering force.

www.latimes.com

 

[MT15]

Yes, it’s clearly about “violent crime” in Portland right now.

 

[Farb]

I don't see how people can be okay with this. For those that are okay with this, substitute Obama for Trump and substitute Portland protesters with people that are protesting "right to life." Still okay?

Do we have a estimate of the damage caused to private and public property by the right wing/right for life protest? How many injuries? I did not look it up, but I would guess 'zero' is the correct response. I think they even cleaned up their own garbage.

The only similarities between the march for life and the riots is the media never really shows them in the entirety, just the 'fun' stuff. But I know.....FOX NEWS!!!!!

And to answer your question, if the those protests turned into a violent mob riots, and the local governments and politicians are unwilling or unable to do something about it, then yes. That is what I expect from the State and federal governments. If they don't want federal LE on their streets, then the politicians need to their job and not let criminals destroy property in the name of a hijacked political movement.

 

[CoolBrees]

My wife has gone all week to the protests as a mom wall participant.

last night she was gassed and assaulted with flash grenades.

after a night of protesting, about 12am, they were told to disperse. but the mom’s wall Is up against the federal building between the protesters and the feds so getting out takes time. The feds launched dispersal methods less than 15 minutes after the first announcement- which is illegal- but didn’t launch, instead threw the canisters. This made them not make it to the protesters, instead landing on the moms. Her friend that went with her suffered a burn from a grenade that hit her and went off at her feet.

fortunately these kids are way more prepared than we were during the Iraq War times. They hand out kits with eye swabs and a treated cloth gas shield for your mouth the goes over your mask and passivates the gas. I will post a pic of the kit that was passed out last night

I am going down tonight. I am not going as part of a wall as I have gaseous PPE from working with Sarin and Mustard gas years ago and a Weber grill lid (old school; best open air gas suppressor around- just cover a munition and it contains most of the gas harmlessly) coming with me.

 

[Farb]

Peaceful protest in Grant Park (that park needs to change its name) this past weekend. Check out about the 3:30 minute mark and look at the beautiful cover they did of the song 'imagine'.

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Is this still about police brutality?

 

[wardorican]

https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/trump-says-cuomo-must-end-nyc-crime-wave-or-he-will-step-in/

This is why the Feds are having to step in. If it makes you feel better, just pretend the 'protesters' are being detained for not social distancing and not wearing a mask properly. That should make all the hyperbolic talk seem more palatable.

Two questions.

1. Is it accurate that NYC crime is up? Or did he just read a sad story of one isolated incident? (sorry, watch the story, he doesn't read). That stat came from Trump's mouth, so I'm sure it's a lie.

2. If crime goes up in a city, is it OK for the Feds to just march in? That seems overly federalist and not very state's rights. What are the limits to just sending in federal troops guns blazing? We aren't China. If a city or state needs help, they should ask for it, not be forced upon it. Should we do the same for cities that have littering problems? High car accident rates? Not complying to mask usage?

It's so odd how principles change when it's "those other people" getting infringed upon.

 

[CoolBrees]

Oh and Farb-

you forgot clinic bombings and murder of doctors on your nonexistent list of atrocities perpetrated by the crazy right to lifers

 

[Farb]

Oh and Farb-

you forgot clinic bombings and murder of doctors on your nonexistent list of atrocities perpetrated by the crazy right to lifers

Ok, care to share a link? I know clinics were bombed but I wasn't aware of any at the actual march for lives did they march directly there or was it an after march thing, like Target and all that after the first BLM peaceful protest? All I know is some high school Nazi kids from Kentucky attacked a native american man.

 

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

I don't see how people can be okay with this. For those that are okay with this, substitute Obama for Trump and substitute Portland protesters with people that are protesting "right to life." Still okay?

In about six months the same folks cheering on Storm Troopers deputized by "acting" federal officials unconfirmed by the Senate will be back to screaming about State's Rights. And they're going to ignore that the last four years have even happened.

 

[Farb]

Two questions.

1. Is it accurate that NYC crime is up? Or did he just read a sad story of one isolated incident? (sorry, watch the story, he doesn't read). That stat came from Trump's mouth, so I'm sure it's a lie.

2. If crime goes up in a city, is it OK for the Feds to just march in? That seems overly federalist and not very state's rights. What are the limits to just sending in federal troops guns blazing? We aren't China. If a city or state needs help, they should ask for it, not be forced upon it. Should we do the same for cities that have littering problems? High car accident rates? Not complying to mask usage?

It's so odd how principles change when it's "those other people" getting infringed upon.

1. Yes, crime is up. Just about in every democratic run city since the BLM protests started. Is it not?
2. Come on Ward, you are a smart guy. Do you really think littering or traffic accidents is the same as what we are seeing in Chicago, NYC, Portland and Seattle? If you honestly do, then there is no reason to continue this dialogue.
At what point, do the citizens that live there and pay taxes, get the aid that they don't get from the local scared, activist leaders?

 

[Farb]

In about six months the same folks cheering on Storm Troopers deputized by "acting" federal officials unconfirmed by the Senate will be back to screaming about State's Rights. And they're going to ignore that the last four years have even happened.

You know how to avoid all of that. Don't break the law.