Explain how Trump has so much support (1 Viewer)

[Bayouboy]

I would like some layman answers to the question "How does Trump have so much support, right now"? The final two word are important context.

I somewhat understand how he became a "force" prior to the 2016 election. There were many factors that allowed him to gain steam. Anti-establishment and not being a true politician was a big turn on to some voters on the right at the time. He talked a good game and somehow found a way to the Presidency despite acting "unpresidential". Trump's time in office had some victories for the Republicans and the economy was humming prior to COVID.....but the shirt show that happened on a daily basis with him firing executive staff (that didn't agree with him) and the overall chaos that was the White House certainly should've had an effect on his supporters. This was all BEFORE losing the 2020 election and what ensued. What happened after the 2020 election is well documented and, in my opinion, should have buried him as a candidate for office for eternity.

With ALL of what happened since the 2020 election, how can he still have half of the country (give or take) as supporters? Had all the election denying, countless gaffs, and the attempt to circumvent the Constitution had not occurred and had he regrouped and formed a strategy to compete in 2024, I could see a lot of his supporters continuing to follow him and his message. But I can't get how so many Americans can overlook what happened in front of their own eyes. I am truly bewildered.

I realize this is a mostly left leaning community, so maybe you folks do not have a clue either but would like to hear opinions. Especially, if you still support Trump through all of the mess.

 

[SystemShock]

Maybe the evangelicals will wake up to what they are supporting? That they are selling out what they have devoted their lives to?

They are wide awake.

 

[Heathen]

I know there's still almost a year until the General Election, but I think there's a very good chance that Trump wins handedly

I haven't seen any dwindling of support from his base and Republicans generally. Biden, on the other hand, has seen his numbers sink fairly steadily.

There are a few posters here who will disagree with me but I think Biden has damaged his reputation amongst younger voters and minorities in the Israel debacle.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I know there's still almost a year until the General Election, but I think there's a very good chance that Trump wins handedly

I haven't seen any dwindling of support from his base and Republicans generally. Biden, on the other hand, has seen his numbers sink fairly steadily.

There are a few posters here who will disagree with me but I think Biden has damaged his reputation amongst younger voters and minorities in the Israel debacle.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Biden has damaged his reputation amongst younger voters" but I'm very concerned about 2024. I can't believe that at almost 80 I find myself worrying about the future of our democracy. I grew up proud of this country and even as the terrible mistakes we made became more evident to me, slavery, treatment of native Americans, etc., I still felt we would continue to try to live up to our stated beliefs. Now, we are faced with the distinct possibility that we'll elect someone who has no understanding of what this country is supposed to be about and will consequently try to destroy it.

 

[Lapaz]

I know there's still almost a year until the General Election, but I think there's a very good chance that Trump wins handedly

I haven't seen any dwindling of support from his base and Republicans generally. Biden, on the other hand, has seen his numbers sink fairly steadily.

There are a few posters here who will disagree with me but I think Biden has damaged his reputation amongst younger voters and minorities in the Israel debacle.

I think there is a good chance that Trump will win given the polls, but not handily. If Trump isn’t convicted, it will still be close. Also, I agree that young voters seem to be upset about Biden supporting Israel, but a large percentage of them don’t vote, and I think the ones that do are more apt to understand Biden’s approach.

I believe Biden’s numbers will start rising next year after his campaign starts spending on adds, and I think a conviction in the January 6th trial will hurt Trump because I’ve seen polls that 6% of his current voters will not vote for him if he’s found guilty, and that is more than enough to sink Trump.

 

[Taurus]

I know there's still almost a year until the General Election, but I think there's a very good chance that Trump wins handedly

I haven't seen any dwindling of support from his base and Republicans generally. Biden, on the other hand, has seen his numbers sink fairly steadily.

There are a few posters here who will disagree with me but I think Biden has damaged his reputation amongst younger voters and minorities in the Israel debacle.

Abortion.

Trump appointed 3 of the judges who overturned Roe.

It'll kill him in the general.

The Israel situation will blow over. Abortion will still be banned.

 

[Dragon]

Whatever Biden does in the Israel/Hamas war will make some people angry. If he supports the palestinian people (not Hamas) the jewish organisations are going to be angry. If he support Israel no matter what, then a lot of liberals are going to be angry.

Bottom line - we are dealing with 2 hardliners - Bibi and Hamas - who are both fighting with no restrains what so ever and both are committing attrocities.

Biden is like an old man standing between two rabid dogs who wants to tear each other appart. He is treading a very fine and narrow line trying to get both sides to back down. The current ceasefire and exchange of hostages is an example of that. I am amazed about how much he actually has achieved under such difficult cercumstances.

 

[Incumbent]

There are a few posters here who will disagree with me but I think Biden has damaged his reputation amongst younger voters and minorities in the Israel debacle.

Incredibly shortsighted of them and the consequences will be even more dire than the aftermath of the 2016 election. Some people truly don't learn.

All of the pressure is on Democrats to find solutions to every significant challenge and with any perceived misstep, people quickly succumb to apathy. It's maddeningly self-defeating and exactly what the Right is counting on.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I know there's still almost a year until the General Election, but I think there's a very good chance that Trump wins handedly

I haven't seen any dwindling of support from his base and Republicans generally. Biden, on the other hand, has seen his numbers sink fairly steadily.

There are a few posters here who will disagree with me but I think Biden has damaged his reputation amongst younger voters and minorities in the Israel debacle.

I think that this is where polls can be a bit misleading

Saying that you don't support Biden on his handling of Israel/Hamas situation is a far cry from saying you'll vote for Trump, GOP or not vote at all

 

[Farb]

A big part is because those that support him are told by the media, media personalities, famous people and now the institutions in the government that if you support him, you are a racist. Many people are tired of it and being called a nazi, racist or whatever new term the radicals think of has no sway anymore so they are using their support as a middle finger.
The fact that Trump is dispised by the global elites also helps a lot more than hurts him.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A big part is because those that support him are told by the media, media personalities, famous people and now the institutions in the government that if you support him, you are a racist. Many people are tired of it and being called a nazi, racist or whatever new term the radicals think of has no sway anymore so they are using their support as a middle finger.
The fact that Trump is dispised by the global elites also helps a lot more than hurts him.

If you support Donald Trump and you go somewhere to support him and find yourself surrounded by confederate flags, swastikas and Camp Auschwitz T Shirts you can’t complain too much when you get painted with that same brush

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

A big part is because those that support him are told by the media, media personalities, famous people and now the institutions in the government that if you support him, you are a racist. Many people are tired of it and being called a nazi, racist or whatever new term the radicals think of has no sway anymore so they are using their support as a middle finger.
The fact that Trump is dispised by the global elites also helps a lot more than hurts him.

Trump is a fascist. That's not some cooked-up media manifestation. That's a FACT.

 

[coldseat]

A big part is because those that support him are told by the media, media personalities, famous people and now the institutions in the government that if you support him, you are a racist. Many people are tired of it and being called a nazi, racist or whatever new term the radicals think of has no sway anymore so they are using their support as a middle finger.
The fact that Trump is dispised by the global elites also helps a lot more than hurts him.

So if the media and institutions where to give Trump supporters a big hug and tell them how great they are and that they're not racist, then we could all dispose of the demagogue?

Seems kind of trite, pointless and a little sad that Trump supports need that to boost their self-esteem, but I suppose it would be a small price to pay. Let's get the media and institutions on that? Call up the Illuminate, radical leftist, George Soros or whoever it is controlling them!

 

[Heathen]

Abortion.

Trump appointed 3 of the judges who overturned Roe.

It'll kill him in the general.

The Israel situation will blow over. Abortion will still be banned.

I mean, I hope you're right. But we're also the country who elected the guy in the first place with a pretty full understanding of the ramifications, so I don't count out the possibility of anything these days..

 

[Heathen]

I think that this is where polls can be a bit misleading

Saying that you don't support Biden on his handling of Israel/Hamas situation is a far cry from saying you'll vote for Trump, GOP or not vote at all

Sure, I can agree with that. I don't think that those who are angered by Biden's stance in the Gaza debacle would ever vote Trump.

But I do think that it's undeniable that Biden has bigger challenges to face in '24 than he did 4 years ago, and it's a fact that many more Democrats have become dissatisfied and want a younger candidate. Many of the middle class who voted for him (familiar tune) haven't seen a more robust economy, are still sweating under the pressure of inflation to pay bills, and a formidable portion of young people are increasingly turned off to him over failed student loan promises, handling of Gaza, etc. He's now at the highest ever disapproval rating in his presidency. I think those are all factors that will in some form effect how the election turns out in '24. To what extent, I'm not sure yet.

Things will inevitably change as they always do as we ramp into an election year and the campaigning begins - but I have to wonder if you're on the Biden-Harris team if you're getting pretty nervous and thanking your lucky stars you both have a year to go before the GE AND you don't have to debate any democratic challengers...

 

[zztop]

Also, I agree that young voters seem to be upset about Biden supporting Israel, but a large percentage of them don’t vote, and I think the ones that do are more apt to understand Biden’s approach.

all he has to do is get Taylor Swift's endorsement

 

[SystemShock]

I know there's still almost a year until the General Election, but I think there's a very good chance that Trump wins handedly

I haven't seen any dwindling of support from his base and Republicans generally. Biden, on the other hand, has seen his numbers sink fairly steadily.

There are a few posters here who will disagree with me but I think Biden has damaged his reputation amongst younger voters and minorities in the Israel debacle.

I agree. A lot of pro-Palestinian protests on campuses across the U.S. Unfortunately those younger voters are too focused on things that are happening in far away lands, forgetting what's happening in their own. I guess they don't teach how to think in colleges anymore.

 

[Heathen]

I'm not sure what you mean by "Biden has damaged his reputation amongst younger voters" but I'm very concerned about 2024.

I think that young voters have seen a nation that the US Government supports without question, and who many US citizens support without question, openly commit war crimes in the massacre of thousands of civilians in Gaza. And they've seen it all day, every day, for 6-7 weeks. It has been nothing like Iraq where there was essentially zero coverage of those unjustly used as collateral, even though it happened.

I think seeing children under rubble and dismembered so consistently by US bombs while we stayed silent will be on the minds of many young voters for a long time.

I share your sentiment about 2024.

I can't believe that at almost 80 I find myself worrying about the future of our democracy. I grew up proud of this country and even as the terrible mistakes we made became more evident to me, slavery, treatment of native Americans, etc., I still felt we would continue to try to live up to our stated beliefs. Now, we are faced with the distinct possibility that we'll elect someone who has no understanding of what this country is supposed to be about and will consequently try to destroy it.

I think there are several problems that have led to this situation - but one big one I think is the 'rugged individualist' attitude of Americans at large vs. other countries. It's truly "I only care about me and mine" out there. The dog eat dog economy, angry shoppers, drivers, the obsessive "upgrade" culture, burned out employees, you can see it all around you every day.

I don't have the matrix all put together yet, but our burnt out, money starved culture has to be part of it.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Sure, I can agree with that. I don't think that those who are angered by Biden's stance in the Gaza debacle would ever vote Trump.

But I do think that it's undeniable that Biden has bigger challenges to face in '24 than he did 4 years ago, and it's a fact that many more Democrats have become dissatisfied and want a younger candidate. Many of the middle class who voted for him (familiar tune) haven't seen a more robust economy, are still sweating under the pressure of inflation to pay bills, and a formidable portion of young people are increasingly turned off to him over failed student loan promises, handling of Gaza, etc. He's now at the highest ever disapproval rating in his presidency. I think those are all factors that will in some form effect how the election turns out in '24. To what extent, I'm not sure yet.

Things will inevitably change as they always do as we ramp into an election year and the campaigning begins - but I have to wonder if you're on the Biden-Harris team if you're getting pretty nervous and thanking your lucky stars you both have a year to go before the GE AND you don't have to debate any democratic challengers...

Biden had no choice but to support Israel. Further, he tried to talk Netanyahu out of the kind of bombing Israel decided to turn to, and further still, Biden has had a lot to do with the pause and hostage exchanges. So, much of the young's growing dissatisfaction with Biden is based on ignorance. It's not like he said, go ahead Israel, kick their arse.