Does Trump ever do any jail time? (4 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[UriUT]

And, therein lies the biggest problem...the jury selection problem.
Regardless of how ironclad a case they build against Trump: "Ok,it's illegal for anyone to have national security materials at their private home. Trump had national security materials at his private home. Therefore, Trump broke the law." How do you select a jury in a manner that ensures that you won't have a Trump supporter on the jury?

There may be rays of hope. I believe the 1/3 are devout cultists are a bit high. Its significant no doubt but not a 3rd of the country. The reason is that even among my trumpist part of family they tend to defend him with whataboutism. That tells me deep down they know it's true and can't yet face reality. And when you present it as china can grab the top secret material, they would go ape shot.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I know I couldn’t be impartial.

I could ***wink wink***

 

[Optimus Prime]

Prosecuting a former president of the United States is a tricky business. It’s not like prosecuting Al Capone, the notorious gangster who was charged with tax evasion rather than the more fitting charges of murder and racketeering.

A technical charge such as tax evasion may be suitable for obtaining the conviction of a mobster, but hardly sufficient for an occupant of the Oval Office who tried to overthrow the U.S. government.

Donald Trump has millions of supporters and the weight of precedent behind him.

Of course Trump should face consequences for tax evasion if he merits it, but it is critical for public perception, for history — for the preservation of democracy — that if he is charged, it is first and foremost with the crimes that best reflect the gravity of the danger he posed to the country.


On Monday, the FBI searched Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home in Florida for any presidential records that may have been improperly removed from the White House.

On Wednesday, Trump sat for a deposition in the New York attorney general’s office, which is conducting a civil investigation into his business practices.

A federal indictment may or may not arise from these investigations, but it is Trump’s role in the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, that warrants the greatest scrutiny — and the gravest charges — from a Justice Department exercising its prosecutorial discretion under such historic circumstances.

The two most serious crimes for which Trump may stand accused, and which most clearly describe his conduct on Jan. 6 and in the weeks leading up to it, are insurrection and seditious conspiracy.

If the facts and evidence support them, they are what Attorney General Merrick Garland should charge, whatever other charges he includes…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/08/12/seditious-conspiracy-insurrection-trump-charges/

 

[nolaspe]

And the stupidity continues...

 

[FullMonte]

I know that Trump supporters will say anything…

But I just watched Dan Bognino say that they now have evidence that the FBI planted evidence on Trump. The evidence is the statement Trumps lawyer provided to the DOJ months ago saying that there was no classified material at MarALago.

Since there was no classified information there, the FBI obviously planted information.

 

[superchuck500]

This is an interesting thread.

 

[faceman]

I’m okay with that. No golf, no internet, no cable news. Just books and meditation. Lol.

Although I’m sure they could put him in a minimum security and have agents with him in shifts. Don’t know why they couldn’t be with him there?

sadly no,they cant put a secret service agent in jail. It will have to be house arrest.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Trump reportedly asked Garland ‘What can I do to reduce the heat?’ after FBI raid

‘The country is on fire,’ Trump allegedly told Garland

www.independent.co.uk

I hope this is really true.

 

[MT15]

Trump reportedly asked Garland ‘What can I do to reduce the heat?’ after FBI raid

‘The country is on fire,’ Trump allegedly told Garland

www.independent.co.uk

I hope this is really true.

Does it sound like something he would say? Has he backed off the accusations? There’s your answer.

 

[MT15]

This is an interesting thread.

This confirms what Maggie from NYT reported: that he had a habit of taking classified material up to the WH residence and they just let him do it. He was collecting it all along, and then it was easy to get it all boxed up when he left. They rationalized it by saying he must be declassifying it if he wanted to take it even though they knew it wasn’t right. It’s just infuriating that there was nobody willing to stand up to him, that he basically bullied his way into stealing classified documents.

 

[MT15]

This is so irresponsible. Can you imagine if these were democrats behaving in this way?

 

[zztop]

well a couple years back republicans did out that whistleblower's name... so yea, this act does not surprise me

 

[Dragon]

This is so irresponsible. Can you imagine if these were democrats behaving in this way?

How does the law work in cases like this. In DK it would be against the law to publish private information about a law enforcement officer (adresse, Phone, Family etc.)

 

[MT15]

How does the law work in cases like this. In DK it would be against the law to publish private information about a law enforcement officer (adresse, Phone, Family etc.)

I’m not aware of anything that would make this illegal.

 

[MT15]

sadly no,they cant put a secret service agent in jail. It will have to be house arrest.

They wouldn’t be in jail though. They would be at the jail. If Trump leaves his cell they would have to accompany him. They aren’t putting Trump anywhere but at one of the “country club” jails anyway. What you say may very well be true, but where did you read it?

 

[Dragon]

In pursuing the unprecedented search of Donald Trump's residence on Monday, the FBI was seeking to retrieve Top Secret and "compartmented" documents dealing with intelligence "sources and methods," two federal government sources tell Newsweek—documents with the potential to reveal U.S. intelligence sources, including human sources on the American government payroll.

The former president does not have authority to declassify such documents, intelligence sources say, because they are classified under statute rather than by executive order. Trump's possession of those documents and the fact that he was secreting them away came to light in the course of a multi-month federal government investigation that focused on the status of presidential records taken from the White House.

This would really be valuable information. Imagine if he could tell any dictator around the world who the US intelligent souces were?

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-...could-reveal-intel-sources-us-payroll-1733230

 

[MT15]

This would really be valuable information. Imagine if he could tell any dictator around the world who the US intelligent souces were?

This may be true, but it seems to be totally conjecture at this point.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Does it sound like something he would say? Has he backed off the accusations? There’s your answer.

And does he really care enough that the country is on fire...?