Does Trump ever do any jail time? (3 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[Taurus]

If there are laws broken, nail him, but I have a feeling there are no crimes, at least nothing anymore severe than any other crappy politicians.

Do we have actual proof, or that too only a matter of time l like the 2 big investigations? No need to answer. Everyone knows the answer.

Exactly.

That answer being, if he wasn't living in the White House, he'd be on trial as we speak.

 

[Taurus]

To the OP: Sadly, I don't think so. While I'd absolutely love for that sack of crap to die in prison, I just can't see any way where a former POTUS spends time in stir. He really isn't like any other convict, much as we wish he were.
I do think he should stand trial...repeatedly. Once for every charge. His assets should be seized and his fortune used to pay off his many debts.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

To the OP: Sadly, I don't think so. While I'd absolutely love for that sack of crap to die in prison, I just can't see any way where a former POTUS spends time in stir. He really isn't like any other convict, much as we wish he were.
I do think he should stand trial...repeatedly. Once for every charge. His assets should be seized and his fortune used to pay off his many debts.

i'm now wondering what would be more advantageous - a quick trial/conviction or many long and protracted trials

with quick conviction there is the immediate satisfaction but also immediate martyrdom
a series of trials (starting with smaller civil trials) you can watch him rack up an unending series of Ls and paying out fines upon fines
then you save the bigger fraud trials for later which keeps Miller, Bannon, et al quiet bc they will be called to testify and their Hannity sob pieces can be used against them on the stand

 

[Lapaz]

To the OP: Sadly, I don't think so. While I'd absolutely love for that sack of crap to die in prison, I just can't see any way where a former POTUS spends time in stir. He really isn't like any other convict, much as we wish he were.
I do think he should stand trial...repeatedly. Once for every charge. His assets should be seized and his fortune used to pay off his many debts.

Would he have secret service protection in prison?

 

[Saintamaniac]

I just can't see any way where a former POTUS spends time in stir.

If there was a way for trump to put Obama in jail, he would have been in jail. Trump committed crimes all his life and as a result of being elected president and being an overall criminal person, I believe and hope he will be tried, convicted and given jail time. The supreme court already ruled that the president is not above the law. For Trump be convicted and not serve time for crimes he committed prior to and during the time he was president would fly in the face of that ruling.

I think more information will come out that shows the extent that trump was involved with Russia. For the good of the country and affirmation of the constitution, if he is found guilty, he should go to jail. Anything less sends the message that the constitution and the ideals in it are merely a piece of old paper.

 

[Lapaz]

Trump’s legacy is to identify the weaknesses in our laws. There will be new laws to address his crimes. I hope we change the constitution to check the president’s power to pardon. I would like all pardons to be subject to vetos by Congress. I would like it to require a supermajority. I would also like the constitutional amendment to forbid pardons of anyone cited in an investigation involving him. We need to eliminate that incentive.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Trump’s legacy is to identify the weaknesses in our laws. There will be new laws to address his crimes. I hope we change the constitution to check the president’s power to pardon. I would like all pardons to be subject to vetos by Congress. I would like it to require a supermajority. I would also like the constitutional amendment to forbid pardons of anyone cited in an investigation involving him. We need to eliminate that incentive.

And require presidential candidates release their tax returns and pass a 9th grade civics test

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Of course it's an opinion piece, but these days, hell, anything is possible.

Press: Trump’s final presidential pardon: himself

For Donald Trump, the stakes here could not be higher. For him, what’s at stake is much greater than simply losing the White House. What’s at stake is losing his freedom.

thehill.com

 

[Lapaz]

Of course it's an opinion piece, but these days, hell, anything is possible.

Press: Trump’s final presidential pardon: himself

For Donald Trump, the stakes here could not be higher. For him, what’s at stake is much greater than simply losing the White House. What’s at stake is losing his freedom.

thehill.com

I don't think it is just plausible....I think it is very likely that Trump will pardon himself. Fortunately that won't mean that he'll escape from all prosecutions, because the states can still prosecute him, and I think that is likely as well, but not quite as likely. I wonder if Trumpers will still believe he is innocent after he pardons himself? Why would an innocent man need to be pardoned? I know Trumpers will say because he won't be treated fairly. Trump is such a victim in their minds.

 

[Yggdrasill]

If there are laws broken, nail him, but I have a feeling there are no crimes, at least nothing anymore severe than any other crappy politicians.

Do we have actual proof, or that too only a matter of time l like the 2 big investigations? No need to answer. Everyone knows the answer.

Well, the Mueller Report cites numerous, corroborated and unambiguous instances of obstruction. That is definitely a crime. And I think the standard of, "nothing more severe than any other crappy politicians" is a bit of casuistry. The Presidency is an office like no other. Don't you think those who serve in it should be held to a higher standard (if not the highest)?

Can Trump actually pardon himself for anything he "may" have done in the past, even before he was President?

I think it is well possible that Trump will be indicted for state crimes in New York. Will he go to jail? I don't know. But let's be honest. You cannot have a true rule of law and also have people who are above the law.

 

[Saintamaniac]

I think if Biden wins, prior to his inauguration, there will be many people who will begin to demand full investigations and demand prosecution to the fullest extent of the law if any crimes were committed. Biden has already set the stage saying that he would not object or intercede in any prosecutions. For the good of the country, Trump must be brought to justice.

 

[MT15]

I think many top lawyers, lawyers who would be qualified to be AG, will line up to do the honors. JMO.

 

[brandon]

If there are laws broken, nail him,

Good job, even with the “but.”

This is America’s only shot—people considering the possibility that their side made mistakes and should suffer the consequences of those mistakes.

 

[Optimus Prime]

So what say you?

I wonder if a deal could be on the table

the SDNY meets with Trump and says

"here is a small sample of the charges we have on you. At 12 noon January 20th 2021 you become a private citizen again. Be a private citizen. Run your hotels, resorts and golf courses.

Sell your products. Launch new products. Tour the country giving the speeches that every ex-president gives. You can do whatever you want, EXCEPT two things.

You CAN'T launch a media network/social media platform and you CAN'T run for president again. The day you announce your intention to do either of those two things is the day we file every charge we can on you and pursue you to the fullest extent of the law"

I still want charges and a trial though

There need to be consequences, and there needs to be a full accounting of what Trump has done

I suspect that there is a lot more than we already know about

 

[zztop]

I'd settle for him being stripped of assets, under house arrest for life with an ankle collar, and permanently banned on social media

 

[wardorican]

I think he will have tax evasion issues, but my feeling is they will come to a settlement or he will pay fines. I don't see prison time in his future.

I dont think there is a lot of desire to go after him for obstruction of justice. Too many legal arguments in his potential favor.

 

[SystemShock]

We all love to see him without a makeup and hair team.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I think the idea of a former President in prison, especially one with the support of 70 million Americans, is awful. We can't go that route because half of this country would never believe any evidence presented against him.

So there will be some negotiated settlements and any criminal stuff will be buried or ignored. There's going to be a lot of leaks and I think IG's will dig into a lot of shady stuff. I do think we will end up with some kind of report on all the Trump Administration nonsense in an attempt to peel off some of his support so he can't be as disruptive a force in American politics moving forward.

Now, I do think we will see indictments at some point for some people in his Administration.