Does Trump ever do any jail time? (2 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[Saintamaniac]

Trump MUST go to jail for the crimes he's committed. Much more info will come out if Biden is elected president and I don't think, as I've indicated before, that Biden or democratic supporters will let this one slide the way that Ford pardoned Nixon. For the good of the country, this will be one instance that demands that the system shows that NO ONE is above the law. Otherwise, it completely opens the door to even more corruption than it already has.

Trump may try to pardon himself or resign and have Pence pardon him. However, the state of New York will not forget. The Trump family has been cheating New York for generations and I think the state will be looking for some payback. And I don't think it will be limited to just trump.

 

[BobE]

what are the charges?

 

[Saintamaniac]

Fraud
Conspiracy to commit fraud
Campaign finance (he's an unindicted co-conspirator)
Extortion
Solicitating a bribe
Obstruction of justice
Tax evasion

 

[FullMonte]

I think that there is a realistic chance that Biden issues a pardon for any crimes committed while he was president.

Now, as for crimes committed by his businesses and campaign, I think those are fair game.

 

[MT15]

BobE, is that a serious question? How can anyone get to this point and not realize that Trump has been a criminal his whole life? Sure, it’s white collar crime, and he’s been skating so far, but most of that has been because he has not been a big enough fish, IMO, he’s not all that wealthy and he’s been a bit of a ridiculous figure. He’s kinda outed himself by becoming president, put himself under a microscope, so to speak.

Bank fraud, tax fraud, insurance fraud
Money laundering for the Russian mob
maybe some sort of racketeering charge, idk.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

No

 

[Saintamaniac]

I think that there is a realistic chance that Biden issues a pardon for any crimes committed while he was president.

Then he will be a one term president. No way he pardons Trump IMO.

 

[MT15]

He is a one term president. I think it’s only reasonable and he has already said it.

 

[The moose]

He will stand trial. New York will make sure if that. I just don't think he will do time. When the sentence comes down it will be probation.



No way in hell does Biden pardon that man that went after his family. No way.

 

[Farb]

If there are laws broken, nail him, but I have a feeling there are no crimes, at least nothing anymore severe than any other crappy politicians.

Do we have actual proof, or that too only a matter of time l like the 2 big investigations? No need to answer. Everyone knows the answer.

 

[MT15]

At the risk of posting links, just read these.

Prosecutors Investigating the Trump Organization Zero In on Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg

Weisselberg is one of the Trump Organization’s longest tenured employees and is now co-running the business. He escaped federal prosecution for the Stormy Daniels payments but is now a focus of an investigation by Manhattan’s district attorney.

www.propublica.org

We Found Major Trump Tax Inconsistencies. New York’s Mayor Wants a Criminal Investigation.

Asked about ProPublica’s findings that the president’s company made itself appear more profitable to lenders and less to tax officials, Bill de Blasio said the city had examined the matter and sent its findings to the Manhattan district attorney.

www.propublica.org

Trump, Inc.

He’s the president, yet we’re still trying to answer basic questions about how his business works: what deals are happening, whom they’re happening with, and if the president and his family are keeping their promise to separate the Trump Organization from the Trump White House. “Trump, Inc.” is a…

www.propublica.org

Also, see Michael Cohen’s sworn testimony about bank and insurance fraud. I think he has been doing this from the beginning of his career. And no, this isnt the same as ”any other crappy politician”, IMO.

 

[The moose]

If there are laws broken, nail him, but I have a feeling there are no crimes, at least nothing anymore severe than any other crappy politicians.

Do we have actual proof, or that too only a matter of time l like the 2 big investigations? No need to answer. Everyone knows the answer.

His counsel was incarcerated now on house arrest for stuff he was told to do.

If he is guilty then trump also is guilty.

Now is he ever gonna do time I don't think so but he is just as guilty as Michael.

The other thing is his taxes are gonna eventually make it to new York state. He lost that fight today.

I am more than sure they can find all kinds of stuff to charge him with in his taxes or he would have not fought all the way to the supreme Court to hide them.

But no I don't think he will ever do time but I think he will be found guilty on plenty to in 2021.

 

[Saintamaniac]

If there are laws broken, nail him, but I have a feeling there are no crimes, at least nothing anymore severe than any other crappy politicians.

Do we have actual proof, or that too only a matter of time l like the 2 big investigations? No need to answer. Everyone knows the answer.

Trump has already been named an unindicted co-conspirator in Cohen's case so there has been crimes. John Edwards faced 30 years for a similar incident involving his mistress. If Cy Vance finds that trump lied on his taxes as well as loan documentation as Cohen says he has, that's real fraud and real jail on a state level.

 

[Farb]

Yeah, still going with no jail time at all. Maybe a statue or memorial of Trump, but no jail time.

 

[bdb13]

Heh, he'll move in with Snowden if it ever looks like a real possibility.

 

[dtc]

At the risk of posting links, just read these.

Prosecutors Investigating the Trump Organization Zero In on Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg

Weisselberg is one of the Trump Organization’s longest tenured employees and is now co-running the business. He escaped federal prosecution for the Stormy Daniels payments but is now a focus of an investigation by Manhattan’s district attorney.

www.propublica.org

We Found Major Trump Tax Inconsistencies. New York’s Mayor Wants a Criminal Investigation.

Asked about ProPublica’s findings that the president’s company made itself appear more profitable to lenders and less to tax officials, Bill de Blasio said the city had examined the matter and sent its findings to the Manhattan district attorney.

www.propublica.org

Trump, Inc.

He’s the president, yet we’re still trying to answer basic questions about how his business works: what deals are happening, whom they’re happening with, and if the president and his family are keeping their promise to separate the Trump Organization from the Trump White House. “Trump, Inc.” is a…

www.propublica.org

Also, see Michael Cohen’s sworn testimony about bank and insurance fraud. I think he has been doing this from the beginning of his career. And no, this isnt the same as ”any other crappy politician”, IMO.

New York is going to hang him.

He's been bullying, lying, cheating and stealing for decades, but until he ran for office and used the platform of his candidacy as a cudgel to hammer his former home, they tolerated his sorry, faux-gold, nouveaux riche antics. He was another loudmouthed New Yorker that filled in the stage. The real old money have always detested him. The big new money despises him and now that he's laid waste to any loyalty or local compassion via his covid response, he's going to die by the sword in Manhattan while they laugh at the liar from Queens.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

I think that there is a realistic chance that Biden issues a pardon for any crimes committed while he was president.

Now, as for crimes committed by his businesses and campaign, I think those are fair game.

i can see the short term sense in letting SDNY bury trump with deutsches bank, et al
especially since ALL political capital will be spent fixing everything trump broke
HOWEVER
we are still dealing with the fallout of not purging Nixonians from government
trump dying in prison doesn't keep Steve Miller or Bannon or manafort or even hannity et al from resurfacing in 20 years with repackaged putrescence