Chuck Schumer threatens Supreme Court Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh (4 Viewers)

[SaintForLife]

Democrat Senator Chuck Schumer threatened two Supreme Court Justices at a rally today outside of the Supreme Court: "You will pay the price.. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions"

Schumer Claims Conservative Supreme Court Justices Will ‘Pay the Price’ If They Rule against Abortion Advocates | National Review

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on Wednesday warned Supreme Court Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh regarding a case on abortion.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[SaintForLife]

Man y’all really don’t like to be held to account do you
The RULE is the speck/plank think like I said
I’m not going to play your both sides game since there is nothing even close to an equivalency
If you want to discuss the speck in Schumer’s eye, but have no concern with the forest in Trump’s, you can’t be taken seriously bc you make it obvious that you’re not concerned with the behavior but the person
That’s hacky

No I don't approve of Trump attacking judges. I haven't linked to articles criticizing him about that. Plenty of people have that covered here already. I know that seems to be a requirement for you guys around here. We must criticize Trump if we criticize the others who do it right?

Do you ever post anything that's not negative about Trump or criticize people who falsely accuse him of things? It should go both ways right?

I also liked post number 4 that mentioned Trump. Does every one of my posts in this thread need to mention Trump?

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I also liked post number 4 that mentioned Trump. Does every one of my posts in this thread need to mention Trump?

So, I think it stems from the thought is that there seems to be no serious attempt to pressure Trump to moderate his behavior at all. From my perspective, it appears when a Democrat gets caught doing something wrong, there's pressure from the Democratic base to get an apology or to force them out (some of the conservatives call it "eating their own"). The Democrat either apologizes and promises not do it again (or is forced to resign or whatever). This has happened to some degree with Republicans as well, but does not seem to apply to Trump.

Now obviously this isn't 100% true, I'm still not sure how Northam is still my governor (not purely b/c he wore blackface 40 years ago, but his explanation and apology was just so weak and spineless).... so it's not like Democrats are perfect on this. But Northam isn't continuing to wear blackface or engage in racial stereotypes. Trump on the other continuously seems to engage in breaking our norms, and there is very little pressure from his supporters. They just kind of just shrug and say "I wish he wouldn't do that" and move on.

If there are no consequence, behavior doesn't change.

 

[SaintForLife]

So, I think it stems from the thought is that there seems to be no serious attempt to pressure Trump to moderate his behavior at all. From my perspective, it appears when a Democrat gets caught doing something wrong, there's pressure from the Democratic base to get an apology or to force them out (some of the conservatives call it "eating their own"). Then Democrat either apologizes and promises not do it again (or is forced to resign or whatever). This has happened to some degree with Republicans as well, but does not seem to apply to Trump.

Now obviously this isn't 100% true, I'm still not sure how Northam is still my governor (not purely b/c he wore blackface 40 years ago, but his explanation and apology was just so weak and spineless).... so it's not like Democrats are perfect on this. But Northam isn't continuing to wear blackface or engage in racial stereotypes. Trump on the other continuously seems to engage in breaking our norms, and there is very little pressure from his supporters. They just kind of just shrug and say "I wish he wouldn't do that" and move on.

If there are no consequence, behavior doesn't change.

I don't disagree with much of your post and I agree about the no consequences. Most of the people I know that voted for Trump said they don't like some of the things he says, but they could deal with that if he got the things done that they supported. Every single one of them that I know said they were tired of Republicans that talked a good game, but would never get done what they claimed they would once they were in office.

Trump can definitely be divisive, he tweets too much, and he lies and contradicts himself. The Democrats who call people on the right that they disgree with racists can be quite divisive as well.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I don't disagree with much of your post and I agree about the no consequences. Most of the people I know that voted for Trump said they don't like some of the things he says, but they could deal with that if he got the things done that they supported. Every single one of them that I know said they were tired of Republicans that talked a good game, but would never get done what they claimed they would once they were in office.

Trump can definitely be divisive, he tweets too much, and he lies and contradicts himself. The Democrats who call people on the right that they disgree with racists can be quite divisive as well.

So, then it becomes how is what Trump has accomplished worth accepting, with little consequence, his downsides, right? This is where I get more perplexed... from where I'm sitting what Trump has "accomplished" seems to be pretty sparse. His major accomplishments are the tax cut and appointing conservative judges. Leaving aside the value of those accomplishments - I find it hard to believe that Republicans don't believe any other Republican couldn't get tax cuts passed with a Republican controlled congress, as well as getting conservative judges appointed (I think you have McConnell to thank for that, more than Trump). So, I'm not really seeing what Trump is accomplishing that any Republican would do with a Republican controlled Congress -- not sure he's been able to do anything with a Democratic controlled House.

 

[BobE]

I'm still not sure how Northam is still my governor (not purely b/c he wore blackface 40 years ago, but his explanation and apology was just so weak and spineless).... so it's not like Democrats are perfect on this. But Northam isn't continuing to wear blackface or engage in racial stereotypes.

The reason Coonman is still GOv is the same reason Fairfax is till Lt Gov and Herring is still A.G. , they basically told everyone to piss off. The Florida SoS only wore blackface one too yet still resigned but Northam refused too. IMO Northam's real sin wasn't the blackface but the interview he gave on abortion (but that is another thread) cause once he gave it people lost their shirt. Now I will admit I know a ferw people that know Northam and some he used to be their Dr. and they all love him. He is a great person from all I have heard.

Lastly I will just say there is times where democrats are way to quick to pull the trigger wanting people to resign in their own party.

 

[Beach Friends]

So, I think it stems from the thought is that there seems to be no serious attempt to pressure Trump to moderate his behavior at all. From my perspective, it appears when a Democrat gets caught doing something wrong, there's pressure from the Democratic base to get an apology or to force them out (some of the conservatives call it "eating their own"). The Democrat either apologizes and promises not do it again (or is forced to resign or whatever). This has happened to some degree with Republicans as well, but does not seem to apply to Trump.

Now obviously this isn't 100% true, I'm still not sure how Northam is still my governor (not purely b/c he wore blackface 40 years ago, but his explanation and apology was just so weak and spineless).... so it's not like Democrats are perfect on this. But Northam isn't continuing to wear blackface or engage in racial stereotypes. Trump on the other continuously seems to engage in breaking our norms, and there is very little pressure from his supporters. They just kind of just shrug and say "I wish he wouldn't do that" and move on.

If there are no consequence, behavior doesn't change.

The question remains, what does a poster need to do before he can criticize Democrats

So, I think it stems from the thought is that there seems to be no serious attempt to pressure Trump to moderate his behavior at all. From my perspective, it appears when a Democrat gets caught doing something wrong, there's pressure from the Democratic base to get an apology or to force them out (some of the conservatives call it "eating their own"). The Democrat either apologizes and promises not do it again (or is forced to resign or whatever). This has happened to some degree with Republicans as well, but does not seem to apply to Trump.

Now obviously this isn't 100% true, I'm still not sure how Northam is still my governor (not purely b/c he wore blackface 40 years ago, but his explanation and apology was just so weak and spineless).... so it's not like Democrats are perfect on this. But Northam isn't continuing to wear blackface or engage in racial stereotypes. Trump on the other continuously seems to engage in breaking our norms, and there is very little pressure from his supporters. They just kind of just shrug and say "I wish he wouldn't do that" and move on.

If there are no consequence, behavior doesn't change.

So what's your plan Jim? If Biden is the nominee are you going to refrain from voting?

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

I don't disagree with much of your post and I agree about the no consequences. Most of the people I know that voted for Trump said they don't like some of the things he says, but they could deal with that if he got the things done that they supported. Every single one of them that I know said they were tired of Republicans that talked a good game, but would never get done what they claimed they would once they were in office.

Trump can definitely be divisive, he tweets too much, and he lies and contradicts himself. The Democrats who call people on the right that they disgree with racists can be quite divisive as well.

Can you tell me what it is that Trump has done that they support?
Any R president would have pushed the same tax cuts and probably similar scotus nominees
But what do they say trump has accomplished?
I’ve asked this for 3 years without getting much in the way of answers

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

I also liked post number 4 that mentioned Trump. Does every one of my posts in this thread need to mention Trump?

Just addressing this bcBF is whining about this also, indicating that this could be the next thing used to derail conversations when someone trees themselves with bad rhetoric
If you want to orate, say whatever you want about whomever
If you want a discussion, apply perspective or at least be able to address questions like ‘is it the behavior you have a problem with or just the person?’

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

The question remains, what does a poster need to do before he can criticize Democrats

Well, obviously you all are doing it, so I don't see the issue there. If you mean, what does a poster need to do before we think they actually care about the issue they claim to care about, well, show a strong commitment to the issue and not just the people.

So what's your plan Jim? If Biden is the nominee are you going to refrain from voting?

It's a fair question. Well considering the first Democrat I've ever voted for President was Hillary Clinton, and we all know she is not exactly above suspicion, chances are barring strong evidence of Biden abusing his power as VP, I'll probably end up voting for him. The reason is that he seems more controllable than Trump, and can be shamed into doing the right thing (hence his pledge to not have family members profiting in business areas where he can use his power to help -- after the Hunter Biden "scandal" popped up, vs. Trumps "eff you" when asked to divest himself of his businesses, and his family doing business deals right now in areas that he has direct influence over). And we can watch him and hold him accountable while he's President. Trump has shown that he won't moderate his behavior when confronted, and Biden has.

Also degree and frequency of issues are fewer with Biden than Trump.

 

[Beach Friends]

Well, obviously you all are doing it, so I don't see the issue there. If you mean, what does a poster need to do before we think they actually care about the issue they claim to care about, well, show a strong commitment to the issue and not just the people.



It's a fair question. Well considering the first Democrat I've ever voted for President was Hillary Clinton, and we all know she is not exactly above suspicion, chances are barring strong evidence of Biden abusing his power as VP, I'll probably end up voting for him. The reason is that he seems more controllable than Trump, and can be shamed into doing the right thing (hence his pledge to not have family members profiting in business areas where he can use his power to help -- after the Hunter Biden "scandal" popped up, vs. Trumps "eff you" when asked to divest himself of his businesses, and his family doing business deals right now in areas that he has direct influence over). And we can watch him and hold him accountable while he's President. Trump has shown that he won't moderate his behavior when confronted, and Biden has.

Also degree and frequency of issues are fewer with Biden than Trump.

Thanks for the reply. Obviously it's a matter of what could be an endless debate as to which is worse. In the end, if you are to cast a meaningful ballet you are going to be left with a choice if Biden is the nominee - vote for the Democratic candidate you really don't care for or vote for the Republican candidate you like even less.

After 2016 when we conservatives stated we had a choice of what we perceived to be the lesser of two evils we were told that was BS.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Thanks for the reply. Obviously it's a matter of what could be an endless debate as to which is worse. In the end, if you are to cast a meaningful ballet you are going to be left with a choice if Biden is the nominee - vote for the Democratic candidate you really don't care for or vote for the Republican candidate you like even less.

After 2016 when we conservatives stated we had a choice of what we perceived to be the lesser of two evils we were told that was BS.

It’s BS bc you don’t apply the matter of degrees
Then: Probably unqualified in every way vs she seems shady
Now: Demonstrably unqualified in every way vs he seems shady

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Thanks for the reply. Obviously it's a matter of what could be an endless debate as to which is worse. In the end, if you are to cast a meaningful ballet you are going to be left with a choice if Biden is the nominee - vote for the Democratic candidate you really don't care for or vote for the Republican candidate you like even less.

After 2016 when we conservatives stated we had a choice of what we perceived to be the lesser of two evils we were told that was BS.

So, I get the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils (although disagree with where you ended up on that evaluation), what I don't get is after making that choice, is then to just allow the person you vote for to do things you probably disagree with because you don't want to be seen to be abandoning your side.

For example, I think I remember you complaining about the soft corruption that goes in Washington (it might not have been you though)... however, it is happening right now with Trump , and you don't seem to have any problem with it. No complaining, no pressure, nothing. You'd rather spend time investigating something that happened with the Democrats with less evidence than we have against Trump. If you actually cared about soft corruption - you'd spend more time agreeing with Trump detractors that he should divest himself of his business interests and ensure that he doesn't have monetary obligations to foreign entities, right? That doesn't mean you can't also still vote for him if you honestly think he's less corrupt than the alternative, but if you just sit around and call people who think he's less than honest consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome, then it seems that you're not actually committed to reducing corruption.

 

[Heathen]

Man, if we ever get this up in arms over actual policy--which is x-fold more damaging than words, we'll be getting somewhere as a country

 

[Beach Friends]

It’s BS bc you don’t apply the matter of degrees
Then: Probably unqualified in every way vs she seems shady
Now: Demonstrably unqualified in every way vs he seems shady

I am of the opinion that, in addition to being corrupt, Biden is suffering from dementia and I think the stress of the campaign is accelerating his condition.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

I am of the opinion that, in addition to being corrupt, Biden is suffering from dementia and I think the stress of the campaign is accelerating his condition.

Your opinion notwithstanding
Now: Demonstrably unqualified in every way vs he seeems shady, also may have dementia
Still doesn’t help your case much

Were you also of the opinion that Hillary was on death’s door 4 years ago when she tripped and coughed?

 

[MT15]

Oooh, pick me, I know the answer to that question!!!!

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Oooh, pick me, I know the answer to that question!!!!

We now cut to live footage of MT15 as she posts...

For real, though, it's painfully obvious. We go from "What about you guys on the left, huh?" to frigging crickets when it's called out by the left.

 

[JimEverett]

What is it that you think should happen when Trump says something like (or worse) than Schumer did? I have heard Republicans "condemn" things Trump has said.
I mean are Democrats rushing to the stage to call for the Senate to remove or censure Schumer? There is not even a mad rush to condemn, but it clear that some Democrats don't like what he said - similarly to how Republicans act by certain things Trump does or says.