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I feel like this deserves a separate topic.
What will be the plan for the DNC?
How will this all shake out?
What will be the plan for the DNC?
How will this all shake out?
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Oh, btw, your rants about anti-democracy were settled in a SCOTUS case.
No, you speculate based upon lies.
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You’re assuming she had to be coerced and I’m trying to understand why you think that.
You repeating the same questions I’ve already answered isn’t offering any insight. If you can’t or don’t want to discuss this, say so, and we can move on.
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trump drove the economy into the ground I guess you forgot the record job losses record stock drop the scandals the cheating the lies the crap wall. Do you think Trump cares about the economy? He has said more tax cuts for the rich that does not benefit the economy.
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There is a great episode of Last Week tonight on the topic of Gerrymandering. It’s packed up, and doesn’t serve anyone’s best interest.
Sadly both major parties do it.
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Good call. Seeing reports Harris has more than 700 delegates and is well on her way to having the numbers she needs to be able to move forward.
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Well uh.. that’s not going to happen.
I think if you’re talking about candidates who are just going to continue the endless wars, there aren’t many who would die on that hill.
Trump most certainly isn’t that person.
What about it are you specifically more for?
I think that is most Americans, no matter what their political affiliation . Could you explain what elements of economic adjustment or reform that you’re for that Trump is going to push forward?
That’s great and I’m sure many of us feel that way toward the establishment, but Trump by his actions seems to be very pro establishment himself in terms of not really changing much of the status quo.
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Yep. Undoubtedly.
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Yep. Wouldn’t it be nice if both parties could come together against it? I mean, I know that’s not how it works, but still..
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I wonder if there will be riots in streets again like 1968 when the D elites tried to attack our 'democracy' if they try and run someone other Kamala.
I personally am a Biden man. I think when he wakes up and reads he dropped out, he should re-enter the race. Give the Democratic voters what they voted on, not what the donors want.
I personally am a Biden man. I think when he wakes up and reads he dropped out, he should re-enter the race. Give the Democratic voters what they voted on, not what the donors want.
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I can’t tell you what will happen, I think we will find out further down the line just what it took to broker this ticket with Harris at the top of it.
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Because she didn’t endorse Harris when Biden was still running and she endorsed her the day when he stepped down is the issue. Who was endorsing Harris before he stepped down? I think the general sentiment was for him to step down and play it out.
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She may have the bark, but not the bite.
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The important context for discussions of threats to American democracy is not the aftermath of June’s presidential debate but the aftermath of 2020’s presidential election.
Then, President Donald Trump worked feverishly to retain power despite being rejected by the electorate overall and by the electorate in five states that he won four years before. American voters and voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were given a choice between Trump and Joe Biden, and they picked Joe Biden.
More accurately, they chose slates of electors who supported Joe Biden. As those who’ve taken fifth-grade social studies know, the American president is formally selected not by voters but by members of the electoral college. That gave Trump the opportunity to spend the weeks between the November election and the January counting of electoral votes attempting to shift which electors were counted. It didn’t work, but not for lack of trying.
This layer of intermediaries between voters and decisions is common in our system of representative democracy. It comes into play, too, in how the two major political parties select nominees for president. Voters who participate in party caucuses and primaries are voting on candidates, yes — but more immediately on the number of delegates those candidates are awarded for the party’s convention. It’s there that the nominee is formally determined, even if it’s usually a fait accompli. The convention is equivalent, in other words, to the counting of electors on Jan. 6.
With that, then, you can already see how Biden’s withdrawal from the 2024 Democratic nominating contest is not in any way akin to Trump’s post-2020 efforts, much less any sort of “coup.”
The idea that the Democratic Party underwent a “coup” has been a popular one over the past 24 hours. After a senior Trump campaign official floated the descriptor, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) offered it directly in a post on social media.
“Joe Biden succumbed to a coup by Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and Hollywood donors, ignoring millions of Democratic primary votes,” he wrote. “Donald Trump took a bullet for democracy.”
At the outset, we should make explicit that these are not good-faith arguments. Cotton does not deserve the benefit of the doubt that he is concerned about the votes of Democratic primary voters. The play is, instead, to try to erode one of the most significant arguments against Trump’s candidacy: that he did try to subvert democracy and that, returned to the White House, he would try to do so further. When your candidate is appearing at campaign rallies and praising Chinese autocrat Xi Jinping and his “iron fist” control over his population, it’s useful to have a way to suggest that your opponents are just as bad.
But it is inescapably the fact that President Biden withdrew from the race voluntarily. Grudgingly and under pressure, certainly, but voluntarily. Right-wing commentator Erick Erickson, not known for his quiet reserve, equated Biden’s stepping aside with “all those people accidentally falling out of windows in Russia.” I suspect it is not the case that many of those defenestrations were a function of Russian officials ceding to public calls from members of the Politburo for them to take a swan dive.
The most important consideration here is that Biden, while the incumbent president, wasn’t even the party’s nominee on Sunday when he withdrew. He was the presumptive nominee, the guy who earned the most delegates after the primary voting. But his poor performance in the June debate led to a reconsideration on the part of Democratic leaders that, it’s worth noting, brought them more in line with the actual Democratic electorate. In April, Pew Research Center found that more than 6 in 10 Democrats wanted a candidate besides Biden on the ballot in November. In late January, half did. Now they’ll have one, those primary votes from earlier this year notwithstanding.............
Then, President Donald Trump worked feverishly to retain power despite being rejected by the electorate overall and by the electorate in five states that he won four years before. American voters and voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were given a choice between Trump and Joe Biden, and they picked Joe Biden.
More accurately, they chose slates of electors who supported Joe Biden. As those who’ve taken fifth-grade social studies know, the American president is formally selected not by voters but by members of the electoral college. That gave Trump the opportunity to spend the weeks between the November election and the January counting of electoral votes attempting to shift which electors were counted. It didn’t work, but not for lack of trying.
This layer of intermediaries between voters and decisions is common in our system of representative democracy. It comes into play, too, in how the two major political parties select nominees for president. Voters who participate in party caucuses and primaries are voting on candidates, yes — but more immediately on the number of delegates those candidates are awarded for the party’s convention. It’s there that the nominee is formally determined, even if it’s usually a fait accompli. The convention is equivalent, in other words, to the counting of electors on Jan. 6.
With that, then, you can already see how Biden’s withdrawal from the 2024 Democratic nominating contest is not in any way akin to Trump’s post-2020 efforts, much less any sort of “coup.”
The idea that the Democratic Party underwent a “coup” has been a popular one over the past 24 hours. After a senior Trump campaign official floated the descriptor, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) offered it directly in a post on social media.
“Joe Biden succumbed to a coup by Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and Hollywood donors, ignoring millions of Democratic primary votes,” he wrote. “Donald Trump took a bullet for democracy.”
At the outset, we should make explicit that these are not good-faith arguments. Cotton does not deserve the benefit of the doubt that he is concerned about the votes of Democratic primary voters. The play is, instead, to try to erode one of the most significant arguments against Trump’s candidacy: that he did try to subvert democracy and that, returned to the White House, he would try to do so further. When your candidate is appearing at campaign rallies and praising Chinese autocrat Xi Jinping and his “iron fist” control over his population, it’s useful to have a way to suggest that your opponents are just as bad.
But it is inescapably the fact that President Biden withdrew from the race voluntarily. Grudgingly and under pressure, certainly, but voluntarily. Right-wing commentator Erick Erickson, not known for his quiet reserve, equated Biden’s stepping aside with “all those people accidentally falling out of windows in Russia.” I suspect it is not the case that many of those defenestrations were a function of Russian officials ceding to public calls from members of the Politburo for them to take a swan dive.
The most important consideration here is that Biden, while the incumbent president, wasn’t even the party’s nominee on Sunday when he withdrew. He was the presumptive nominee, the guy who earned the most delegates after the primary voting. But his poor performance in the June debate led to a reconsideration on the part of Democratic leaders that, it’s worth noting, brought them more in line with the actual Democratic electorate. In April, Pew Research Center found that more than 6 in 10 Democrats wanted a candidate besides Biden on the ballot in November. In late January, half did. Now they’ll have one, those primary votes from earlier this year notwithstanding.............
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Over the past 24 hours, MAGA world has coalesced remarkably quickly around a shared reaction to the news that President Joe Biden will not seek reelection: It’s saying that the race was stolen from Biden.
“The people who called us a threat to Democracy for years just ran a coup against the sitting President,” declared @libsoftiktok, a high-profile anti-trans X account. Other accounts chimed in, comparing Biden’s announcement to the insurrection attempt at the Capitol on January 6, 2021.
“For anyone who still believes January 6th was a coup, take notes. You just witnessed a real one. July 21st,” @EndWokeness posted. Mike Cernovich, a far-right influencer and an early perpetuator of the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, who has more than a million followers, posted, “By any objective analysis, we witnessed a coup.”
More reputable conservatives joined in: “One candidate survived assassination. The other staged a coup,” the prominent venture capitalist (and major Donald Trump supporter) David Sacks wrote on X. “Joe Biden succumbed to a coup by Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and Hollywood donors,” agreed Senator Tom Cotton. This morning, Trump himself amplified the “coup” attack line on Truth Social, posting that Democrats “stole the race from Biden after he won it in the primaries—A First!”
The right-wing talking point is an attempt to point out perceived hypocrisy. Democrats have tried to run a presidential campaign predicated on the notion that “democracy is on the ballot.” It’s a reference to Trump’s strongman tendencies, especially his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, which culminated in the January 6 insurrection. Now the right has a rare opportunity to try to undermine that message—and they’re pursuing it.
July 21 was quite obviously not like January 6. For one thing, there was none of the violence that typically accompanies a government overthrow. For another, Biden voluntarily removed himself from the presidential race.
Trump loyalists are arguing that he did so against the will of primary voters. “Having invalidated the votes of more than 14 million Americans who selected Joe Biden to be the Democrat nominee for president,” Speaker of the House Mike Johnson posted on X, “the self-proclaimed ‘party of democracy’ has proven exactly the opposite.” In fact, most Democrats did want Biden to bow out of the race—nearly two-thirds of them, according to recent polls. And although it’s understandable that some voters are grousing about Biden passing the torch to Vice President Kamala Harris rather than pushing for an open convention, the idea that this is a coup demonstrates that the right is overplaying its hand.
It’s also an example of the right’s ongoing January 6 revisionism. As my colleague David A. Graham wrote, some Republicans have sought to “convert a shameful catastrophe into a celebration of the valor and honor of the culprits and portray those who attacked the country as the true patriots.” Flooding the zone with accusations of a coup can end up stripping the word of all meaning.
We should expect to hear this type of rhetoric more in the coming days and weeks. The “coup” line was one of two big reactions on the right-wing internet after Biden’s announcement yesterday, offering a clear preview of the right’s playbook against Harris. Predictably, certain parts of the right-wing internet also defaulted to its fixation on the topic of diversity, equity, and inclusion. To many Trump loyalists, the fact that Harris is a Black woman automatically makes her a “DEI presidential candidate.”..............
“The people who called us a threat to Democracy for years just ran a coup against the sitting President,” declared @libsoftiktok, a high-profile anti-trans X account. Other accounts chimed in, comparing Biden’s announcement to the insurrection attempt at the Capitol on January 6, 2021.
“For anyone who still believes January 6th was a coup, take notes. You just witnessed a real one. July 21st,” @EndWokeness posted. Mike Cernovich, a far-right influencer and an early perpetuator of the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, who has more than a million followers, posted, “By any objective analysis, we witnessed a coup.”
More reputable conservatives joined in: “One candidate survived assassination. The other staged a coup,” the prominent venture capitalist (and major Donald Trump supporter) David Sacks wrote on X. “Joe Biden succumbed to a coup by Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and Hollywood donors,” agreed Senator Tom Cotton. This morning, Trump himself amplified the “coup” attack line on Truth Social, posting that Democrats “stole the race from Biden after he won it in the primaries—A First!”
The right-wing talking point is an attempt to point out perceived hypocrisy. Democrats have tried to run a presidential campaign predicated on the notion that “democracy is on the ballot.” It’s a reference to Trump’s strongman tendencies, especially his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, which culminated in the January 6 insurrection. Now the right has a rare opportunity to try to undermine that message—and they’re pursuing it.
July 21 was quite obviously not like January 6. For one thing, there was none of the violence that typically accompanies a government overthrow. For another, Biden voluntarily removed himself from the presidential race.
Trump loyalists are arguing that he did so against the will of primary voters. “Having invalidated the votes of more than 14 million Americans who selected Joe Biden to be the Democrat nominee for president,” Speaker of the House Mike Johnson posted on X, “the self-proclaimed ‘party of democracy’ has proven exactly the opposite.” In fact, most Democrats did want Biden to bow out of the race—nearly two-thirds of them, according to recent polls. And although it’s understandable that some voters are grousing about Biden passing the torch to Vice President Kamala Harris rather than pushing for an open convention, the idea that this is a coup demonstrates that the right is overplaying its hand.
It’s also an example of the right’s ongoing January 6 revisionism. As my colleague David A. Graham wrote, some Republicans have sought to “convert a shameful catastrophe into a celebration of the valor and honor of the culprits and portray those who attacked the country as the true patriots.” Flooding the zone with accusations of a coup can end up stripping the word of all meaning.
We should expect to hear this type of rhetoric more in the coming days and weeks. The “coup” line was one of two big reactions on the right-wing internet after Biden’s announcement yesterday, offering a clear preview of the right’s playbook against Harris. Predictably, certain parts of the right-wing internet also defaulted to its fixation on the topic of diversity, equity, and inclusion. To many Trump loyalists, the fact that Harris is a Black woman automatically makes her a “DEI presidential candidate.”..............
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Given AOC’s comments I don’t think very many higher ups were supporting Harris being the head of the ticket. I’m not sure how people’s opinions were changed so quickly.
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Biden literally endorsed her in his letter that he was stepping down as the nominee. Likely his polling and research showed she has a path and they knew that would be the best path.
Self preservation of the party and beating Trump are the priorities.
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Beating Trump is a priority, however for some politicians personal ambitions may take higher priority.
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