Assassination attempt on Trump (4 Viewers)

[SaintForLife]

Trump is alive, but his ear was bleeding

 

[DaveXA]

I’m no expert. Good friend did her residency at an inner city hospital emergency surgery. Constant gun shot wounds. As soon as she saw a picture said it was a graze wound.

Graze wound is obvious. What's not obvious is how it was caused. I tend to think the bullet grazed his ear. He instinctively flinched when he was hit.

 

[MT15]

I’m no expert. Good friend did her residency at an inner city hospital emergency surgery. Constant gun shot wounds. As soon as she saw a picture said it was a graze wound.

Yeah I finally found a good enough picture that I agree with you. But his lack of transparency is just not acceptable. He needs to not make a mockery of public interest in these things. Just like his yearly health reports that said he is 6’3” and 235 or whatever stupid shirt they ask us to believe. And his doctor standing there telling us he’s the healthiest president ever and could live to be 200 or whatever North Korea shirt they were shoveling that day.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[barbar]

i think everyone been saying that. His comment that you quoted was specific to waiting it out and not jumping to conclusions regading someone with 25 year of public service.

Does the 25 years of service count for anything? Of course it does.

In every profession where mistakes are made and folks have to be held accountable, consideration is given based on years of service. ( with respect to punishment )

Courts do it as well.

I was a police dispatcher for about 10 years. We had an officer killed in the line of duty by friendly fire(a great guy too....everyone loved him). It was a true tragedy. Another officer thought the officer he shot was the bad guy and killed him. Found out a few minutes later it was one of our cops, not the bad guy.

There are a lot of ways to look at a problem like this. Our chief of police ordered an outside agency to do a full investigation of the entire event. Free access to all records and radio traffic, they interviewed every single officer and dispatcher involved. The results of the investigation were shocking. A few people were fired and a few were suspended.

The chief then hired a professional consultancy firm to take the results of the investigation and find the other weaknesses in our department protocols and make a recommended plan for change. It was a huge binder....hundreds of pages. The chief implemented every recommendation over a 6 month period. Within weeks we could all feel the difference. There was a renewed commitment to safety and communication in the entire department.

He is our leader. You could just say this is his fault and his head has to roll. But he wasn't on the ground at the event that day, and he had very little, if anything to do with the lax attitude of the sargeants on the ground who allowed this to happen. After a horrible tragedy, he used his experience and leadership to find every hole and plug it. I think firing him would have been the wrong move, and it may or may not be the wrong move here.


Maybe a change at the top is warranted....we shall see.

So just chalk this up as some “one off” incident? This seems like a pretty big “one off”.

The end result should be a change up top, right? What would the end result be in your opinion?

 

[MT15]

I was a police dispatcher for about 10 years. We had an officer killed in the line of duty by friendly fire(a great guy too....everyone loved him). It was a true tragedy. Another officer thought the officer he shot was the bad guy and killed him. Found out a few minutes later it was one of our cops, not the bad guy.

There are a lot of ways to look at a problem like this. Our chief of police ordered an outside agency to do a full investigation of the entire event. Free access to all records and radio traffic, they interviewed every single officer and dispatcher involved. The results of the investigation were shocking. A few people were fired and a few were suspended.

The chief then hired a professional consultancy firm to take the results of the investigation and find the other weaknesses in our department protocols and make a recommended plan for change. It was a huge binder....hundreds of pages. The chief implemented every recommendation over a 6 month period. Within weeks we could all feel the difference. There was a renewed commitment to safety and communication in the entire department.

He is our leader. You could just say this is his fault and his head has to roll. But he wasn't on the ground at the event that day, and he had very little, if anything to do with the lax attitude of the sargeants on the ground who allowed this to happen. After a horrible tragedy, he used his experience and leadership to find every hole and plug it. I think firing him would have been the wrong move, and it may or may not be the wrong move here.


Maybe a change at the top is warranted....we shall see.

Thanks for sharing that. It must have been traumatic for the entire department. I’m glad the chief did such a good job in response.

 

[barbar]

Thanks for sharing that. It must have been traumatic for the entire department. I’m glad the chief did such a good job in response.

Truly. It was a sad time for us. He was one of the few officers friendly enough that I knew him fairly well. I can't even imagine how the officer who shot him managed after that.....they were literally best friends.

 

[el caliente]

You don't think Trump already does this? He's got his own security on top of the USSS detail.

I hope he does for his safety.

 

[el caliente]

Government jobs are not all the same. I seriously do more work in my current position than I ever did in my 20 years of private sector employment. Just because your experience was a certain way doesn't mean it's the same at every agency. Some people work hard and take their jobs seriously, and some don't. And by and large, most agents in the intelligence agencies work their arses off. Their roles demand it. Those who don't usually end up working lower level desk jobs or transfer out. Others simply don't get promoted.

And no, it doesn't take an act of Congress to get fired. There are hoops that suprvisors go through to fire someone, but it can and does happen. I know of 2 people who were fired since I started working 5 years ago. It can and does happen.

And not that many stay in government for 25 years. Many retire early, others go to private sector jobs for better pay or opportunities.

Every agency is different, some have more turnover than others. In 5 years, I've seen a lot of people come and go.

My point still stands, it’s not hard to accumulate 25 years in a government job.

 

[el caliente]

Lol, you completely missed the point. It was never about LoTR. Lol.

I don’t think I missed the point, she was pretty explicit.

 

[el caliente]

Reading comprehension is dead with these guys. Honestly, it is concerning.

Neither of you have explained her point.

When did Frodo hurt you?

 

[RobF]

Neither of you have explained her point.

When did Frodo hurt you?

What are you on about?

Look, The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy, are some of my favourite books. But it's still a fact that fascists have - in their usual, twisted, completely missing the point way - co-opted LotR. They portray it as a race thing, the superior races standing up against the lesser, and the perils of decadence, etc.

Really kicked off in Italy in the 70s, when LotR was first published there in Italian. The right-wing adopted it to the point of hosting youth camps - called Campo Hobbit - which were run by a youth wing of the Italian Social Movement. But it's a thing among the far-right generally, not just within Italy.

But that doesn't make everyone who likes them for non-stupid reasons fascists, obviously. No-one is saying that, and stating the fact that LotR has been adopted by the far right doesn't say that either.

 

[MT15]

What are you on about?

Look, The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy, are some of my favourite books. But it's still a fact that fascists have - in their usual, twisted, completely missing the point way - co-opted LotR. They portray it as a race thing, the superior races standing up against the lesser, and the perils of decadence, etc.

Really kicked off in Italy in the 70s, when LotR was first published there in Italian. The right-wing adopted it to the point of hosting youth camps - called Campo Hobbit - which were run by a youth wing of the Italian Social Movement. But it's a thing among the far-right generally, not just within Italy.

But that doesn't make everyone who likes them for non-stupid reasons fascists, obviously. No-one is saying that, and stating the fact that LotR has been adopted by the far right doesn't say that either.

It’s either a stunning inability to comprehend simple issues, or willful trolling at this point.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The US Secret Service decried as an “insult” rightwing attacks on the performance of female agents during the failed assassination attempt against Donald Trump, and rightwing claims that the presence of such agents and a woman as agency director are the result of diversity policies.

“It is an insult to the women of our agency to imply that they are unqualified based on gender,” Anthony Guglielmi, the Secret Service communications chief, told NBC News.

“Such baseless assertions undermine the professionalism, dedication and expertise of our workforce.”


At a Trump rally in Butler county, Pennsylvania, last Saturday, the former president and Republican presidential nominee sustained a wound to his right ear when a gunman opened fire from a rooftop.

One rallygoer was killed and two critically injured.

Amid growing reports of serious security failings, the Secret Service director, Kimberly Cheatle, has come under intense pressure. Subject to calls to resign, even confronted by Republican senators at the GOP convention in Milwaukee, she was served a subpoena for testimony in Congress next week.

The second woman to lead the agency, Cheatle faces rightwing claims she only secured the role thanks to policies to improve diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) which she has previously backed.

Her role is a tough one. In 2014, Julia Pierson, the first woman to lead the Secret Service, resigned over high-profile security lapses.

Since the failed Trump assassination, rightwingers have also attacked female agents in the field.


One social media post, by a user described as a “MAGA2024 Ex-con deplorable” and viewed 10m times, shows a male officer carrying a large gun next to a female agent in action at the Trump rally.

Its caption says: “Secret service agents: Before DEI vs After DEI.”

Elected Republicans, practised in blaming DEI for supposed military weakness and even the collapse of a bridge in Baltimore harbour, have made similar charges.

Cory Mills, a Florida congressman, told Fox News: “Look, I’m not sure about who the individuals are on the individual detail, Secret Service, but I can tell you under this Biden administration, the one thing I’ve seen is massive DEI hires.

“And I can tell you when you primarily, when you primarily go after D-E-I, you end up with D-I-E.”…….

Secret Service decries rightwing blame on female agents over Trump shooting

Secret Service official says it is an ‘insult’ to imply women unqualified to be agents based on gender

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Rocío Cleveland was at a wedding on Saturday when she heard the news that something had happened to Donald Trump. He had fallen, clutching his ear, while giving remarks at a rally and it wasn’t yet clear if he was injured or even dead.

“It took a little bit for it to sink in,” said Cleveland, a conservative activist from Illinois who attended the Republican national convention this week. “I was speechless, I was crying, I was in tears.”

Trump had been tackled to the ground by a Secret Service detail after a gunman, perched on a nearby roof, opened fire on the crowd at a Trump rally. When the former US president rose, shaking his fist, blood dripping down his face – apparently only grazed by the would-be assassin’s bullet – the moment, for Cleveland, was euphoric.

“I think this tragic event that happened to President Trump, I think it will restore the faith in our country, as horrible as it may sound,” Cleveland said. “The world saw a miracle before their eyes.”

Cleveland’s perspective – that Trump’s survival was more than just luck – is shared widely by Christian believers in the Maga (Make America great again) movement who have seen the hand of God in Trump’s recent escape from serious harm at the hands of a gun-wielding 20-year-old shooter with no easily discernible motive.

It also bolsters Trump’s support in a key part of the Republican base – conservative evangelicals – that he and his team have been seeking to woo be deploying Christian imagery throughout his 2024 campaign.

The religious feeling, that Trump was saved in an act of divine intervention, quickly took hold in the Republican party after the shooting, with grassroots activists, internet personalities and powerful Republican lawmakers offering religious explanations for the near-miss.……

Christian right see God’s hand in Trump rally shooting: ‘The world saw a miracle’

Attempted assassination bolsters Trump’s support in a key part of the Republican base – conservative evangelicals

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Rocío Cleveland was at a wedding on Saturday when she heard the news that something had happened to Donald Trump. He had fallen, clutching his ear, while giving remarks at a rally and it wasn’t yet clear if he was injured or even dead.

“It took a little bit for it to sink in,” said Cleveland, a conservative activist from Illinois who attended the Republican national convention this week. “I was speechless, I was crying, I was in tears.”

Trump had been tackled to the ground by a Secret Service detail after a gunman, perched on a nearby roof, opened fire on the crowd at a Trump rally. When the former US president rose, shaking his fist, blood dripping down his face – apparently only grazed by the would-be assassin’s bullet – the moment, for Cleveland, was euphoric.

“I think this tragic event that happened to President Trump, I think it will restore the faith in our country, as horrible as it may sound,” Cleveland said. “The world saw a miracle before their eyes.”

Cleveland’s perspective – that Trump’s survival was more than just luck – is shared widely by Christian believers in the Maga (Make America great again) movement who have seen the hand of God in Trump’s recent escape from serious harm at the hands of a gun-wielding 20-year-old shooter with no easily discernible motive.

It also bolsters Trump’s support in a key part of the Republican base – conservative evangelicals – that he and his team have been seeking to woo be deploying Christian imagery throughout his 2024 campaign.

The religious feeling, that Trump was saved in an act of divine intervention, quickly took hold in the Republican party after the shooting, with grassroots activists, internet personalities and powerful Republican lawmakers offering religious explanations for the near-miss.……

Christian right see God’s hand in Trump rally shooting: ‘The world saw a miracle’

Attempted assassination bolsters Trump’s support in a key part of the Republican base – conservative evangelicals

www.theguardian.com

when i see people say god intervened to save Trump.. lol.
if god intervened, wouldn't he have just stopped the shooter before the shot and, so God loves Trump but hates the other guy who got killed? smh..

 

[Incumbent]

when i see people say god intervened to save Trump.. lol.
if god intervened, wouldn't he have just stopped the shooter before the shot and, so God loves Trump but hates the other guy who got killed? smh..

Their version of God has kept Biden even safer.

 

[el caliente]

What are you on about?

Look, The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy, are some of my favourite books. But it's still a fact that fascists have - in their usual, twisted, completely missing the point way - co-opted LotR. They portray it as a race thing, the superior races standing up against the lesser, and the perils of decadence, etc.

Really kicked off in Italy in the 70s, when LotR was first published there in Italian. The right-wing adopted it to the point of hosting youth camps - called Campo Hobbit - which were run by a youth wing of the Italian Social Movement. But it's a thing among the far-right generally, not just within Italy.

But that doesn't make everyone who likes them for non-stupid reasons fascists, obviously. No-one is saying that, and stating the fact that LotR has been adopted by the far right doesn't say that either.

It’s a stupid narrative that a stupid person spewed on tv because her stupid candidate is going down in flames.

FFS, she and Reid are just throwing anything at the wall now and hoping it lands with their 15 viewers.

 

[el caliente]

It’s either a stunning inability to comprehend simple issues, or willful trolling at this point.

Yet you have added nothing to this discussion except name calling. Bravo!