Assassination attempt on Trump (1 Viewer)

[SaintForLife]

Trump is alive, but his ear was bleeding

 

[barbar]

when i see people say god intervened to save Trump.. lol.
if god intervened, wouldn't he have just stopped the shooter before the shot and, so God loves Trump but hates the other guy who got killed? smh..

This. So much this. Why didn't God help the guy who got killed? He doesn't love this guy or what?

It's a dumb narrative.

 

[DaveXA]

My point still stands, it’s not hard to accumulate 25 years in a government job.

That's just an absolutely idiotic thing to say. No context, no situational considerations. Just blanket insulting everyone who works a federal job. Fork that.

 

[Heathen]

Can we all be honest here? Trump doesn’t give a rats arse about his supporter who got killed. It’s painful watching him try to empathize lol

 

[DaveXA]

Neither of you have explained her point.

When did Frodo hurt you?

The point is pretty obvious, but you're blinded by your outrage. You're smart enough to figure it out. Just take your blinders off for once.

 

[DaveXA]

My point still stands, it’s not hard to accumulate 25 years in a government job.

And actually, since you didn't rebut anything I said....

 

[RobF]

It’s a stupid narrative that a stupid person spewed on tv because her stupid candidate is going down in flames.

FFS, she and Reid are just throwing anything at the wall now and hoping it lands with their 15 viewers.

Yet you have added nothing to this discussion except name calling. Bravo!

I'm impressed you made those two posts within a couple of minutes of each other without your head exploding.

It's a fact that LotR has been co-opted by the far right. You apparently don't like that fact - which is fair enough, I don't like it either - but just saying 'stupid' a lot won't make it go away. Look, here's a specific example, from a few years back.

‘The Daily’ Transcript: Interview With Former White Nationalist Derek Black (Published 2017)

Derek Black, a godson of David Duke, describes his experience growing up in a white nationalist family and how he turned on the movement.

www.nytimes.com

That's a transcript of an interview with Derek Black, son of Don Black (KKK grand wizard and founder of Stormfront). Here's the relevant excerpt:

There was this one really memorable moment where I was sitting in the cafeteria and talking to some people I knew, and one of them discovered this website Stormfront … which is the site that my dad ran and that I had a kid’s page on and I that had run the internet radio on for years — and was still running while I was in school, even though I didn’t have as much time for it.​

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And guy sitting across from me found the Lord of the Rings section and showed everybody, and turned around and said, “Can you believe these people are trying to get Lord of the Rings nerds into white nationalism? Isn’t this insane?”​

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And I had founded that section because when movies came out I got super into it, and I figured you could get people who liked with such a white mythos, a few turned on by white nationalism, and more mundanely just wanted to talk about movies, so I had found that 10 years earlier, guy turned it around and I pretended I had never heard of it.​

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I'm not going to link to LotR stuff on Stormfront, but it is very much there.

Again, that obviously doesn't mean that everyone who likes LotR does so for white supremacist/fascist/etc. reasons - I obviously don't - but it's a very real thing that some do. Getting mad at people and saying "stupid" a lot won't change that. If only it was that easy.

 

[SaintForLife]

“Whistleblowers who have direct knowledge of the event have approached my office. According to the allegations, the July 13 rally was considered to be a loose' security event,” Hawley said in a letter to Mayorkas.

“For example, detection canines were not used to monitor entry and detect threats in the usual manner. Individuals without proper designations were able to gain access to backstage areas.”

“Department personnel did not appropriately police the security buffer around the podium and were also not stationed at regular intervals around the event's security perimeter.”

“In addition, whistleblower allegations suggest the majority of DHS officials were not in fact USSS agents but instead drawn from the department's Homeland Security Investigations (HSI).”

“This is especially concerning given that HSI agents were unfamiliar with standard protocols typically used at these types of events, according to the allegations.”

...I reported this a few days ago and the Secret Service denied it publicly -- but not directly to me, trying to discredit my reporting.

I'm told by an exceptional source within the Secret Service community that the Secret Service site agent for the event is a brand new agent out of the Pittsburg Field Office with very little experience.

Also, as I reported on Sunday, the regular Secret Service protective team assigned to Trump was mostly either taking a day off after working seven-day shifts for weeks or were assigned to other events -- either the Jill Biden dinner, the NATO summit, or the RNC convention.

So they filled out a hodge-podge team of agents from different field offices who have either never or rarely work together. Only a handful (I'm hearing very few to one -- SAIC Curran) are regularly assigned to Trump's detail. All others were temps.

"Pittsburg Secret Service field office had a Jill Biden visit, and designated a lot of resources to her -- f-ing unbelievable," one Secret Service source told me.

Jill Biden was headlining the annual dinner of the Italian Sons and Daughters of America at Rivers Casino in Pittsburg.

Protected whistleblowers (that means they are likely current Secret Service agents or UD officers) who talked to Rep. Jim Jordan @JudiciaryGOP appear to have told the panel the same thing from a letter FBI Director Wray the panel put out yesterday (Thurs.).

A site agent, btw, is in charge of putting all security measures in place -- inner perimeter, middle perimeter, above and below. Prioir to the day of the visit, the lead advance agent (a different position) does at least one walk through of each site (if there are several) and approves or fine-tunes it.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[el caliente]

I'm impressed you made those two posts within a couple of minutes of each other without your head exploding.

It's a fact that LotR has been co-opted by the far right. You apparently don't like that fact - which is fair enough, I don't like it either - but just saying 'stupid' a lot won't make it go away. Look, here's a specific example, from a few years back.

‘The Daily’ Transcript: Interview With Former White Nationalist Derek Black (Published 2017)

Derek Black, a godson of David Duke, describes his experience growing up in a white nationalist family and how he turned on the movement.

www.nytimes.com

That's a transcript of an interview with Derek Black, son of Don Black (KKK grand wizard and founder of Stormfront). Here's the relevant excerpt:

There was this one really memorable moment where I was sitting in the cafeteria and talking to some people I knew, and one of them discovered this website Stormfront … which is the site that my dad ran and that I had a kid’s page on and I that had run the internet radio on for years — and was still running while I was in school, even though I didn’t have as much time for it.​

​

And guy sitting across from me found the Lord of the Rings section and showed everybody, and turned around and said, “Can you believe these people are trying to get Lord of the Rings nerds into white nationalism? Isn’t this insane?”​

​

And I had founded that section because when movies came out I got super into it, and I figured you could get people who liked with such a white mythos, a few turned on by white nationalism, and more mundanely just wanted to talk about movies, so I had found that 10 years earlier, guy turned it around and I pretended I had never heard of it.​

​

I'm not going to link to LotR stuff on Stormfront, but it is very much there.

Again, that obviously doesn't mean that everyone who likes LotR does so for white supremacist/fascist/etc. reasons - I obviously don't - but it's a very real thing that some do. Getting mad at people and saying "stupid" a lot won't change that. If only it was that easy.

Tracks

 

[el caliente]

That's just an absolutely idiotic thing to say. No context, no situational considerations. Just blanket insulting everyone who works a federal job. Fork that.

I’m sorry you feel that way about the truth.

 

[el caliente]

The point is pretty obvious, but you're blinded by your outrage. You're smart enough to figure it out. Just take your blinders off for once.

“The point is pretty obvious, but I don’t know the point, so I’m going to throw insults out because that’s what I do.”

- DaveXA

Come on man, give me something more than this runaround.

Do neo-cons and right wingers love naming things after material from Tolkien/LoTR? In this case Maddow has pointed to several examples (Vance and Thiel), and Rob has pointed to the Italians.

Cool.

Maddow’s ranting was a long way of saying that The Lord of the Rings is, like many great works, open to interpretation. It is not a far-right text any more than it is a unifying text (fellowship) despite whatever Maddow wants her 18 viewers to believe.

At the end of the day Maddow has a lot in common with the Amazon series Rings of Power in that they are hard to watch.

 

[SaintForLife]

A source who spoke with the Daily Mail was furious over claims that they were responsible for the area "outside the perimeter.

"The Secret Service came out here more than a month ahead of time and met with all the local agencies," an officer said.

"They tell us exactly what to do, exactly what they want, and exactly how they want it. It's all on them."

"They're absolutely passing the buck."

 

[SaintForLife]

The most disastrous security failure I'm hearing from sources within the Secret Service community is that it was a local law enforcement counter sniper, not a highly trained Secret Service counter sniper, who took the shot that killed Thomas Crooks, the shooter.

And this is completely outrageous: The local law enforcement officers assigned to protect the building where Crooks took the shots at Trump and the crowd, went inside because it was too hot on the roof.

Also, a point Hawley makes, there were Dept. of Homeland Security post-standers assigned to the rally, but that is not uncommon -- another area for re-evaluation.

 

[SaintForLife]

“The point is pretty obvious, but I don’t know the point, so I’m going to throw insults out because that’s what I do.”

- DaveXA

Come on man, give me something more than this runaround.

Do neo-cons and right wingers love naming things after material from Tolkien/LoTR? In this case Maddow has pointed to several examples (Vance and Thiel), and Rob has pointed to the Italians.

Cool.

Maddow’s ranting was a long way of saying that The Lord of the Rings is, like many great works, open to interpretation. It is not a far-right text any more than it is a unifying text (fellowship) despite whatever Maddow wants her 18 viewers to believe.

At the end of the day Maddow has a lot in common with the Amazon series Rings of Power in that they are hard to watch.

When they don't have anything to refute what you say they fall back to vague non-answers like it contributes something to the conversation.

 

[DaveXA]

I’m sorry you feel that way about the truth.

Well, you're delusional then. Sad you can't tell truth from fiction.

 

[DaveXA]

“The point is pretty obvious, but I don’t know the point, so I’m going to throw insults out because that’s what I do.”

- DaveXA

Come on man, give me something more than this runaround.

I'm not gonna humor a guy who refuses to try and understand what's obvious. You're just being intentionally obtuse.

Do neo-cons and right wingers love naming things after material from Tolkien/LoTR? In this case Maddow has pointed to several examples (Vance and Thiel), and Rob has pointed to the Italians.

I honestly couldn't care less about what Maddow thinks. But what you're saying isn't remotely her point.

Cool.

Maddow’s ranting was a long way of saying that The Lord of the Rings is, like many great works, open to interpretation. It is not a far-right text any more than it is a unifying text (fellowship) despite whatever Maddow wants her 18 viewers to believe.

That you're this bent over someone with 18 viewers speaks volumes.

At the end of the day Maddow has a lot in common with the Amazon series Rings of Power in that they are hard to watch.

Well, I mean, you took the time to comment on it. Lol.

 

[DaveXA]

When they don't have anything to refute what you say they fall back to vague non-answers like it contributes something to the conversation.

You still haven't found that mirror I see.

And there wasn't anything vague about my answers. You'll have to quote and explain how it's vague, otherwise...nah.

 

[el caliente]

Well, you're delusional then. Sad you can't tell truth from fiction.

I’m sorry you feel that way about the truth.