All things Racist...USA edition (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[RobF]

You’re ignoring the discomfort they may feel with promoting a woman to a position of power. They gain a lot if you look at the power dynamic. They keep people like them in power, they keep “others” out of power, they don’t have to worry about “putting up with” different views. It’s the same reason racial biases persist.

This isn’t difficult to get, I don’t think.

You're correct, it isn't.

Framing it in terms of what there is to gain in unbiased, rational, terms excludes the very real premise of there being biased and irrational perceptions, including distorted views of what is and isn't a 'gain', driving behaviour. Which, given the very real existence of misogyny (and racism with regard to the wider topic of the thread) and all manner of prejudicial stereotypes, would appear to be a pretty asinine way to approach the issue.

I can only see two reasons to attempt to frame the issue that way; one, if someone is attempting to underline the existence of bigotry and prejudice by illustrating that the issues can't be wholly explained through rational behaviour, which would be one thing, and two, where someone is attempting to simply frame misogyny (or indeed, racism to address the topic of this thread) out of existence, by crudely excluding them from consideration. Which would be foolish.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Describing what I see does not mean I endorsed the observation. Let’s set aside the pc stuff and have a real conversation.

This doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Observations aren't something you choose to endorse. They are just things you notice. You can observe that there is a wage gap between men and women separately from giving your opinion on why you believe it exists. We are talking about opinions, not observations.

I assure you that everyone here has been trying to have a real conversation with you, but you are making that impossible.

 

[Paul]

A 2017 Medscape RN/LPN Compensation Report found that some differences in the ways that male nurses work might account for the pay gap. Here are some of those differences:

• Male nurses were more likely to work overtime hours than female nurses.
• Males were more likely to work at inpatient hospitals, which pay more than outpatient settings.
• Male RNs were more likely than female RNs to work in urban areas, which typically pay more than more rural areas due to the cost of living.
• Male nurses take more on-call and high-differential shifts.
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[Paul]

You’re ignoring the discomfort they may feel with promoting a woman to a position of power. They gain a lot if you look at the power dynamic. They keep people like them in power, they keep “others” out of power, they don’t have to worry about “putting up with” different views. It’s the same reason racial biases persist.

This isn’t difficult to get, I don’t think.

I have worked in America for decades and this is what I have observed. Those in the position to hire want a competent person, but they also want someone that gets along well with others. Women tend to be more neurotic than men. That is not my opinion, I am simply looking at the five big personality traits. Low end employees polling data shows that most people rather have a male boss than a female boss. Women employees prefer gay men as supervisors. I am not favoring these observations, l am just mentioning them.

 

[hilldalt]

A 2017 Medscape RN/LPN Compensation Report found that some differences in the ways that male nurses work might account for the pay gap. Here are some of those differences:

• Male nurses were more likely to work overtime hours than female nurses.
• Males were more likely to work at inpatient hospitals, which pay more than outpatient settings.
• Male RNs were more likely than female RNs to work in urban areas, which typically pay more than more rural areas due to the cost of living.
• Male nurses take more on-call and high-differential shifts.

Nobody wants to mention that women get more sympathy than men when taking time away. It is nature.

 

[MT15]

I have worked in America for decades and this is what I have observed. Those in the position to hire want a competent person, but they also want someone that gets along well with others. Women tend to be more neurotic than men. That is not my opinion, I am simply looking at the five big personality traits. Low end employees polling data shows that most people rather have a male boss than a female boss. Women employees prefer gay men as supervisors. I am not favoring these observations, l am just mentioning them.

Care to back any of this up? You say it’s not your opinion, therefore you must have a source for these “facts”.

 

[MT15]

Nobody wants to mention that women get more sympathy than men when taking time away. It is nature.

I’ll trade you the sympathy for the same wages. You can have all the sympathy. Lol.

 

[hilldalt]

I’ll trade you the sympathy for the same wages. You can have all the sympathy. Lol.

Ok Ms. tough. Lets see the reaction of a man crying at work compared to a woman.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I have worked in America for decades and this is what I have observed. Those in the position to hire want a competent person, but they also want someone that gets along well with others. Women tend to be more neurotic than men. That is not my opinion, I am simply looking at the five big personality traits. Low end employees polling data shows that most people rather have a male boss than a female boss. Women employees prefer gay men as supervisors. I am not favoring these observations, l am just mentioning them.

Come work in my warehouse. I have 4 women and 4 men. I have way more competence in the women when I have something needing to be done correctly (not half asssed) and in a timely manner.
I have 2 locations, 4 people at each site. at one site is a male lead and the other site is a female lead. there is about a $3 difference in pay, the guy making more. They do not know what each other make, but i do. I have questioned my boss and he says thats just they way it came through, that when he tried to even the pay, it got denied from HR. Is it a coincidence? i don't know. but its messed up for sure. (the lead positions were a new position recently created a few years ago)
Now I do have one woman that makes more than the rest of the regular floor people who, 2 of them are men, but she's been here for 14 years and the other have only been here a couple years.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Ok Ms. tough. Lets see the reaction of a man crying at work compared to a woman.

what point are you trying to make?

even if you’re “right” and a crying woman gets more sympathy than a crying man she’s saying she’d rather equal pay than the sympathy

I also don’t think your point is correct anyway

just like a black man who loses his temper at work one time is forever branded the angry black man a woman who cries at work can be branded the “emotional woman who’ll cry at the slightest stress, pressure or criticism”

I don’t think that’s what they’re going for

 

[hilldalt]

what point are you trying to make?

even if you’re “right” and a crying woman gets more sympathy than a crying man she’s saying she’d rather equal pay than the sympathy

I also don’t think your point is correct anyway

just like a black man who loses his temper at work one time is forever branded the angry black man a woman who cries at work can be branded the “emotional woman who’ll cry at the slightest stress, pressure or criticism”

I don’t think that’s what they’re going for

Do you think women truly seek the same jobs as men?
Furthermore, you bring up black man losing temper yet today it is more likely that a white man cannot critique minorities vs retaliation at middle management level. Congrats for equality?

 

[zztop]

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...maybe, just maybe...

Ohio Court Sentences Black Woman to 18 Months in Prison the Day After Giving White Woman Probation for Same Crime

Sentencing disparity prompts calls for reform after Black woman sentenced for embezzling $40,000 while a white woman got probation after stealing $250,000.

www.theroot.com

she stole more money than the Black woman. She had 21 more charges and cost taxpayers six times more money. She was facing 60 years in prison while the Black woman’s maximum sentence was three years. Yet the Black woman received more prison time than prosecutors wanted her to spend in jail.

 

[hilldalt]

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...maybe, just maybe...

Ohio Court Sentences Black Woman to 18 Months in Prison the Day After Giving White Woman Probation for Same Crime

Sentencing disparity prompts calls for reform after Black woman sentenced for embezzling $40,000 while a white woman got probation after stealing $250,000.

www.theroot.com

she stole more money than the Black woman. She had 21 more charges and cost taxpayers six times more money. She was facing 60 years in prison while the Black woman’s maximum sentence was three years. Yet the Black woman received more prison time than prosecutors wanted her to spend in jail.

How much have you contributed to help?

 

[zztop]

How much have you contributed to help?

Are we having a penis measuring contest? Thanks, but I'll pass

 

[hilldalt]

Are we having a penis measuring contest? Thanks, but I'll pass

No just a keyboard compassion contest. You win!

 

[V Chip]

I have worked in America for decades and this is what I have observed.

Something something anecdotal evidence something…

 

[brandon]

I have worked in America for decades and this is what I have observed. Those in the position to hire want a competent person, but they also want someone that gets along well with others. Women tend to be more neurotic than men. That is not my opinion, I am simply looking at the five big personality traits. Low end employees polling data shows that most people rather have a male boss than a female boss. Women employees prefer gay men as supervisors. I am not favoring these observations, l am just mentioning them.

What the actual fork.

 

[DaveXA]

Spoiler: he won’t see it. Almost every man of a certain age that I encountered in my career had similar beliefs. They were often completely disconnected from the reality of the workplace, btw. I cannot count the number of times a woman who worked harder and was smarter was passed over for a promotion for a man who was clearly less talented. All to reinforce the biases of management. I would be willing to wager that there isn’t a woman my age anywhere in the workforce who hasn’t been asked at one point to train a man to do his job as her superior. It happened to me; it’s very common.

I learned shortly after I entered the workforce that it was this way. As far as I know, it hasn’t really changed. Even at the hospital, where most of the workforce is female, you can look around and see the disproportionate numbers of men in management. The gears of change grind exceedingly slowly.

The tropes posted by Paul have been used for generations to justify outright discrimination against women in the workplace. IMO he will not recognize them for what they are.

Granted, I'm sure there are myriad reasons women get passed over when it comes to promotions or bonuses/awards, but I'm curious what those reasons are. Makes me wonder if it's an institutional thing or an individual bias one. Maybe some mix of both?

I haven't experienced it first hand, but I've seen it happen to my wife on more than one occasion. The thing is, I got no idea what it is that her supervisors are seeing that influences their decisions. Her boss was a man in one and a woman in the second situation. So, it's hard to nail down what their issues were.