All things Racist...USA edition (6 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The gender pay gap is much more than gender discrimination or racism. The gap has to do with the fact that men work longer hours and choose professions that pay more. Most engineers and computer science majors are men. In addition men are willing to relocate and take dangerous professions. For example over 90% of death at work involves men. Women do not work in oil rigs, women working in construction are a rarity. And to make matters worse when women reach the age of forming a family they tend to work part time or choose a job that has good hours to raise a family. In other words the gender pay gap is multifactorial and gender discrimination is just a tiny fraction.

So black women make less because men in the same professions work longer hours?

 

[Paul]

So black women make less because men in the same professions work longer hours?

It is multifactorial. However, the main reason is that men are over represented in high paying professions.

If the gap was that wide employers would preferentially hire women over men. And save a lot of money.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It is multifactorial. However, the main reason is that men are over represented in high paying professions.

If the gap was that wide employers would preferentially hire women over men. And save a lot of money.

You realize that the wage gap still blatantly exists across people with comparable jobs, right?

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[Paul]

You realize that the wage gap still blatantly exists across people with comparable jobs, right?

Occupations

www.dol.gov

The wage gap is quite real. The issue is why?
Why would an employer pay less to women that can do the job as well as men? If that is the case an employer would only hire women and save a lot of money on payroll. This obviously multi factorial! I am certain that gender is a factor, but there are many other issues.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The wage gap is quite real. The issue is why?
Why would an employer pay less to women that can do the job as well as men? If that is the case an employer would only hire women and save a lot of money on payroll. This obviously multi factorial! I am certain that gender is a factor, but there are many other issues.

You've listed a few. I will ignore the ones with danger to focus on boring desk jobs. You said "[t]he gap has to do with the fact that men work longer hours and choose professions that pay more." We've already established that the wage gap exists even when profession is accounted for. Do you still maintain that men make more because they work harder?

 

[Paul]

You've listed a few. I will ignore the ones with danger to focus on boring desk jobs. You said "[t]he gap has to do with the fact that men work longer hours and choose professions that pay more." We've already established that the wage gap exists even when profession is accounted for. Do you still maintain that men make more because they work harder?

Men are more willing to travel, relocate, and negotiate a better deal. Women have to walk a delicate line with the care of children, pregnancy, and are less aggressive in terms of fighting for a better position. I am not saying this is right, I a simply delineating other reasons.

The question the begs an answer is: why would an employer prefer to pay 20 to 30% more to get the same job out of an employee? Are male employers so consumed with sexism that they prefer to spend 30% more money in payroll to harm women?

Perhaps male employers wrongfully conclude that they get more work out of a male employee and therefore avoid women employees. I do not rule that out, however I think it is odd.
Paying a man more than a woman for performing the same job is against the law. I do not have an answer for this discrepancy. In my experience women work as hard as men and where I work women are valued as much as men. However, when it comes to work nights or on the weekends those slots are mostly filled by men.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Men are more willing to travel, relocate, and negotiate a better deal. Women have to walk a delicate line with the care of children, pregnancy, and are less aggressive in terms of fighting for a better position. I am not saying this is right, I a simply delineating other reasons.

The question the begs an answer is: why would an employer prefer to pay 20 to 30% more to get the same job out of an employee? Are male employers so consumed with sexism that they prefer to spend 30% more money in payroll to harm women?

Perhaps male employers wrongfully conclude that they get more work out of a male employee and therefore avoid women employees. I do not rule that out, however I think it is odd.
Paying a man more than a woman for performing the same job is against the law. I do not have an answer for this discrepancy. In my experience women work as hard as men and where I work women are valued as much as men. However, when it comes to work nights or on the weekends those slots are mostly filled by men.

Before I point how forked up and sexist this is, I'll give you a chance to see it for yourself.

 

[MT15]

Spoiler: he won’t see it. Almost every man of a certain age that I encountered in my career had similar beliefs. They were often completely disconnected from the reality of the workplace, btw. I cannot count the number of times a woman who worked harder and was smarter was passed over for a promotion for a man who was clearly less talented. All to reinforce the biases of management. I would be willing to wager that there isn’t a woman my age anywhere in the workforce who hasn’t been asked at one point to train a man to do his job as her superior. It happened to me; it’s very common.

I learned shortly after I entered the workforce that it was this way. As far as I know, it hasn’t really changed. Even at the hospital, where most of the workforce is female, you can look around and see the disproportionate numbers of men in management. The gears of change grind exceedingly slowly.

The tropes posted by Paul have been used for generations to justify outright discrimination against women in the workplace. IMO he will not recognize them for what they are.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Paying a man more than a woman for performing the same job is against the law.

I do not think this is statement is true. Unless they have company bylaws stating certain jobs have certain pay rates.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Spoiler: he won’t see it. Almost every man of a certain age that I encountered in my career had similar beliefs. They were often completely disconnected from the reality of the workplace, btw. I cannot count the number of times a woman who worked harder and was smarter was passed over for a promotion for a man who was clearly less talented. All to reinforce the biases of management. I would be willing to wager that there isn’t a woman my age anywhere in the workforce who hasn’t been asked at one point to train a man to do his job as her superior. It happened to me; it’s very common.

I learned shortly after I entered the workforce that it was this way. As far as I know, it hasn’t really changed. Even at the hospital, where most of the workforce is female, you can look around and see the disproportionate numbers of men in management. The gears of change grind exceedingly slowly.

The tropes posted by Paul have been used for generations to justify outright discrimination against women in the workplace. IMO he will not recognize them for what they are.

My wife has had only 2 jobs over the last 20+ years. Luckily both have had women CEO's and she knows her payrate is higher than the average.

 

[Paul]

Spoiler: he won’t see it. Almost every man of a certain age that I encountered in my career had similar beliefs. They were often completely disconnected from the reality of the workplace, btw. I cannot count the number of times a woman who worked harder and was smarter was passed over for a promotion for a man who was clearly less talented. All to reinforce the biases of management. I would be willing to wager that there isn’t a woman my age anywhere in the workforce who hasn’t been asked at one point to train a man to do his job as her superior. It happened to me; it’s very common.

I learned shortly after I entered the workforce that it was this way. As far as I know, it hasn’t really changed. Even at the hospital, where most of the workforce is female, you can look around and see the disproportionate numbers of men in management. The gears of change grind exceedingly slowly.

The tropes posted by Paul have been used for generations to justify outright discrimination against women in the workplace. IMO he will not recognize them for what they are.

Male nurses get paid more than female nurses.

 

[MT15]

Male nurses get paid more than female nurses.

Against my better judgement, please explain.

 

[Paul]

Before I point how forked up and sexist this is, I'll give you a chance to see it for yourself.

Describing what I see does not mean I endorsed the observation. Let’s set aside the pc stuff and have a real conversation.

 

[Paul]

Against my better judgement, please explain.

Nursing is one of the few well-paying, predominantly female professions. Male nurses make up only about 13% of the nursing workforce. So you might be surprised to learn that the average male RN salary is $6,000 a year higher than that of a female RN.

In this article, we’ll look at the earning statistics for male and female nurses, some possible reasons for the disparity, and some tips for how all nurses can increase their earning potential, regardless of gender.

Nursing Salary Statistics​

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that there were 2,986,500 Registered Nurses employed in the United States as of May 2020 (the most recent report at the time of this writing).

According to the BLS, here is how the median weekly earnings of those nurses break down:

• Male RN Salary: $1,256
• Female RN Salary: $1,217

As mentioned briefly above, over the course of a year, a male nurse will make about $6,000 more on average than a female nurse. This might not sound like a huge gap at first, but over the course of a 20 to 30-year nursing career this can add up to a significant amount of money.

Incredible health.com

 

[Paul]

The question that begs an answer is what do male employers gain by being sexists? What do they gain? Why hire an inferior employee for a higher salary?

 

[zztop]

The question that begs an answer is what do male employers gain by being sexists? What do they gain?

I guess someone can be good at a job, but also an awful person. Ideally any bias, racism, sexism, gender/sexual orientation discrimination etc should not exist, but it does.

 

[coldseat]

The question that begs an answer is what do male employers gain by being sexists? What do they gain? Why hire an inferior employee for a higher salary?

It's not really about what the employer has to gain, it's more about what beliefs/attitudes are ingrained in management and HR that are making these decision and deciding how much to pay.

 

[MT15]

The question that begs an answer is what do male employers gain by being sexists? What do they gain? Why hire an inferior employee for a higher salary?

You’re ignoring the discomfort they may feel with promoting a woman to a position of power. They gain a lot if you look at the power dynamic. They keep people like them in power, they keep “others” out of power, they don’t have to worry about “putting up with” different views. It’s the same reason racial biases persist.

This isn’t difficult to get, I don’t think.