All things Racist...USA edition (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[bird]

Agreed. The issue was messaging. Kneeling during the anthem made it easy for people to think he was insulting the military, because you know how at sporting events, they usually have a military branch in uniform march out and display the flag. So I get why people conflate it. But if they actually did their homework they'd know why he was kneeling.

Kaep got a raw deal, both on the field and off. Sometimes that happens when you put yourself out there.

Agreed. That is also one reason, at least for me, that there is enough with playing the anthem at any sporting event. It is not patriotic to attend a football game or any other sporting event.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Agreed. That is also one reason, at least for me, that there is enough with playing the anthem at any sporting event. It is not patriotic to attend a football game or any other sporting event.

I’ve always wondered why the anthem was played at sporting events at all

And whatever reasons are given why do those reasons only apply to sports?

No one feels the need to play the Star Spangled Banner before a movie or a play or a concert or Cirque du Soliel

Just sports

Why?

 

[bird]

I’ve always wondered why the anthem was played at sporting events at all

And what reasons are given why does it only apply to sports?

No one feels the need to play the Star Spangled Banner before a movie or a play or a concert or Cirque du Soliel

Just sports

Why?

Iirc, the NFL entered into some deal with the military regarding money for one of the two parties. As for baseball I don’t know how long that has been going on. Decades ago the president was often throwing out the first ball at the first Senators game but I don’t know if it arose from that or not. Some may claim that some sports are uniquely American in nature which is true but is irrelevant imo.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

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Iirc, the NFL entered into some deal with the military regarding money for one of the two parties. As for baseball I don’t know how long that has been going on. Decades ago the president was often throwing out the first ball at the first Senators game but I don’t know if it arose from that or not. Some may claim that some sports are uniquely American in nature which is true but is irrelevant imo.

i read somewhere that baseball played the Anthem decades before it was the official anthem. but it wasn't all games, because it cost money (to hire a band, etc).

 

[Huntn]

I’ve always wondered why the anthem was played at sporting events at all

And what reasons are given why does it only apply to sports?

No one feels the need to play the Star Spangled Banner before a movie or a play or a concert or Cirque du Soliel

Just sports

Why?

Make you feel patriotic about an unpopular war?

 

[bird]

Make you feel patriotic about an unpopular war?

Used for agitprop purposes? No, you must be joking. Now, where is my sarcasm button?

 

[Huntn]

Used for agitprop purposes? No, you must be joking. Now, where is my sarcasm button?

I’m not kidding, under a Republican Administration, patriotism was pushed heavily during the our Iraq invasion based on the lie of WMD.

 

[DaveXA]

I’m not kidding, under a Republican Administration, patriotism was pushed heavily during the our Iraq invasion based on the lie of WMD.

Eh, that happens every war without fail. Hardly unique to Republican administrations.

 

[Huntn]

Eh, that happens every war without fail. Hardly unique to Republican administrations.

That example is especially cringeworthy, deadly, and just a couple more trillion topped onto the National Debt based on BFLs. WMD! WMD! Within a year, the US of A will be threatened by nuclear weapons, Invade Now! And an outstanding business opportunity too…

 

[bird]

I’m not kidding, under a Republican Administration, patriotism was pushed heavily during the our Iraq invasion based on the lie of WMD.

Oh, I agree. I was just being a smart aleck. I forget who said it but patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Found this
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The instantly-recognizable song is played before thousands of sporting events every year, but just how did the Star-Spangled Banner come to be a staple of sports in the first place? The answer, it turns out, has to do with World War I.

Baseball fans in the late 19th century might’ve heard live military bands play the Star-Spangled Banner at a game every so often, but the song—which hadn’t yet been designated as the national anthem—wasn’t really a common occurrence at sporting events.

That began to change on September 5, 1918, during Game 1 of the World Series between the Boston Red Sox and the Chicago Cubs. It was an era when the Red Sox still had Babe Ruth, and the phrase “the last time the Cubs won the World Series” wasn’t yet a joke. In fact, the two teams had won six of the last 15 world championship titles.

Yet even though the event featured two teams at the top of their games, the crowd was somber that day, writes ESPN The Magazine. Since entering the Great War a year and a half ago, more than 100,000 U.S. soldiers had died. And just a day before the game, a bomb had exploded in Chicago, (the city in which the game was held), killing four people and injuring dozens more. In addition, the U.S. government had recently announced that it would begin drafting major league baseball players.

All this sat heavy on the shoulders of both the players and the smaller-than-usual crowd of fans that day. But during the seventh-inning stretch, the U.S. Navy band began to play the Star-Spangled Banner; and something changed.

As the song began, Red Sox infielder Fred Thomas—who was in the Navy and had been granted furlough to play in the World Series—immediatelyturned toward the American flag and gave it a military salute, according to the Chicago Tribune. Other players turned to the flag with hands over hearts, and the already-standing crowd began to sing.

At the song’s conclusion, the previously quiet fans erupted in thunderous applause. At the time, the New York Times reported that it “marked the highest point of the day’s enthusiasm.”

The song would be played at each of the Series’ remaining games, to increasingly rapturous response.

And patriotism played a part right from the start, as the Red Sox gave free tickets to wounded veterans and honored them during the playing of the Star-Spangled Banner before the start of the decisive Game 6.

Other baseball parks began to play the song on holidays and special occasions, and Red Sox owner Harry Frazee made it a regular part of Boston home games.

The Star-Spangled Banner officially became the U.S. national anthem in 1931, and by the end of World War II, NFL Commissioner Elmer Laydenordered that it be played at every football game. The tradition quickly spread to other sports, aided by the introduction of large sound systems and post-war patriotism…….

Why the Star-Spangled Banner is Played At Sporting Events | HISTORY

The tradition began during a time of national sorrow

www.history.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

I don’t remember this at all
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Good for Mark Cuban.

The Dallas Mavericks owner made a decision that is sure to bring howls of outrage, threats to boycott his team and an avalanche of vile and vicious emails. But it was the right decision, and I hope it gives others in professional and college sports the courage, or at least cover, to do the same.

The Mavericks are no longer playing the national anthem before home games. I don’t know the reasoning behind Cuban’s decision, and he’s declined to elaborate further, both to The Athletic, which first reported the absence of the anthem, and USA TODAY Sports.

But he hinted at it last summer, when he said he supported Mavericks players and coaches who were kneeling during the anthem to protest racial injustice following the killings of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and too many other Black men and women.

“The National Anthem Police in this country are out of control,” Cuban said on Twitter. “If you want to complain, complain to your boss and ask why they don’t play the National Anthem every day before you start work.”

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Opinion: Mark Cuban's decision to not play national anthem before games will surely draw outrage. But it’s long overdue.

He’s right. We don’t play The Star-Spangled Banner before concerts or movies. We don’t hear it at rec league soccer games or school plays. We don’t stand at attention and listen to it before we start our workdays.

If it doesn’t belong at those events – and clearly it doesn’t since there hasn’t been any widespread movement to make it a staple of our daily routine – it doesn’t belong at college and professional sporting events, either.

Here is where a segment of the population will say that anyone who dares suggest doing away with the anthem should move to China or North Korea and see how we like things there. The irony of which never escapes me.

Requiring the anthem to be played before sporting events, and using it as some Rorschach test for how much you love your country, is the exact kind of faux display of patriotism those authoritarian regimes excel at……

Opinion: Mark Cuban's decision to not play national anthem before games will surely draw outrage. But it’s long overdue.

Mark Cuban and the Dallas Mavericks are not playing The Star Spangled Banner before NBA games this season. It's a move that is long overdue.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

if they played the National Anthem at the start of every shift at every employer, these so called Patriots would be the first ones to be annoyed and complain.

 

[First Time Poster]

Agreed. The issue was messaging. Kneeling during the anthem made it easy for people to think he was insulting the military, because you know how at sporting events, they usually have a military branch in uniform march out and display the flag. So I get why people conflate it. But if they actually did their homework they'd know why he was kneeling.

Kaep got a raw deal, both on the field and off. Sometimes that happens when you put yourself out there.

The issue was messaging.

But if they actually did their homework they'd know why he was kneeling.

So the issue wasn't messaging, it was some people's ignorance. And in most cases, the ignorance was willful. I make that distinction because, to me, when we say "the issue was messaging" that puts the honus/responsibility on the messenger for the disconnect when the truth is that burden should be shouldered by the receiver, in this situation.

Humbly, in my opinion, the message was clear. When asked, he spoke with clarity about it. That conflating was purposeful and people weaponized being in the majority opinion to diminish and mischaracterize the action. Fast forward, post-George Floyd, Drew Brees found out, the hard way, when societal opinions shifted on the topic that the message wasn't all that muddy. They just weren't listening and were operating from their privilege.

I think we withhold accountability by phrasing it as the issue was messaging.

 

[MT15]

So the issue wasn't messaging, it was some people's ignorance. And in most cases, the ignorance was willful. I make that distinction because, to me, when we say "the issue was messaging" that puts the honus/responsibility on the messenger for the disconnect when the truth is that burden should be shouldered by the receiver, in this situation.

Humbly, in my opinion, the message was clear. When asked, he spoke with clarity about it. That conflating was purposeful and people weaponized being in the majority opinion to diminish and mischaracterize the action. Fast forward, post-George Floyd, Drew Brees found out, the hard way, when societal opinions shifted on the topic that the message wasn't all that muddy. They just weren't listening and were operating from their privilege.

I think we withhold accountability by phrasing it as the issue was messaging.

FTP, welcome back! I’ve missed your voice around here.

 

[DaveXA]

So the issue wasn't messaging, it was some people's ignorance. And in most cases, the ignorance was willful. I make that distinction because, to me, when we say "the issue was messaging" that puts the honus/responsibility on the messenger for the disconnect when the truth is that burden should be shouldered by the receiver, in this situation.

Humbly, in my opinion, the message was clear. When asked, he spoke with clarity about it. That conflating was purposeful and people weaponized being in the majority opinion to diminish and mischaracterize the action. Fast forward, post-George Floyd, Drew Brees found out, the hard way, when societal opinions shifted on the topic that the message wasn't all that muddy. They just weren't listening and were operating from their privilege.

I think we withhold accountability by phrasing it as the issue was messaging.

I probably didn't word it correctly in that I wasn't intending to say Kaep said anything wrong. I don't think he said anything wrong. I think the messaging got muddled with the kneeling during the anthem and people either through ignorance, whether willful or not, tied it to disrespect for the flag or the military when his protest was about police brutality.

I thought it was a legitimate protest and I respected Kaep's willingness to speak his truth and mind about injustices.

I do agree the onus should be on the receiver to ask why he's protesting and take him at his word, but no doubt there are people who tried to take the focus off of the cops and make it about Kaep not being patriotic which wasn't fair to Kaep.

I agree with your sentiment.

 

[First Time Poster]

FTP, welcome back! I’ve missed your voice around here.

I'm always lurking. But thanks.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I'm always lurking. But thanks.

Definitely hope you post more often