All things Racist...USA edition (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[brandon]

However, I am going to assume the Italian team would be less sensitive to the insult than the AA team.

If it had been done in a time when there was significant anti-Italian sentiment, the Italians would understandably be more offended, as they could easily interpret the intent as anti-Italian.

So when the fried chicken and watermelons, or tortillas come flying down, it’s easy to infer the intent of the throwers due to the current racial climate.

 

[brandon]

Yes, it is racism. And racism will never go away. Ben Franklin used to refer to Germans with tanned skin as Swarthy. IMO, racism needs to be stamped where there is clear visible damage due to a difference in power (I am going to exclude feelings). Fighting over words like tortilla dilutes the effort to fight for what really matters.

So we’re good to go on the n-word now, right? Because fork their feelings, right?

 

[Paul]

If it had been done in a time when there was significant anti-Italian sentiment, the Italians would understandably be more offended, as they could easily interpret the intent as anti-Italian.

So when the fried chicken and watermelons, or tortillas come flying down, it’s easy to infer the intent of the throwers due to the current racial climate.

OH, sure! We evolved in tribes and we are programmed for tribalism.

 

[Paul]

So we’re good to go on the n-word now, right? Because fork their feelings, right?

As long as people have an apoplexy about the N word the N word will not go away. Robert McWhorter has been called the N word. He is unaffected because he has massive high esteem. The N word does not work for anyone that is trying to insult McWhorter.

 

[brandon]

OH, sure! We evolved in tribes and we are programmed for tribalism.

Non-sequitur

 

[brandon]

As long as people have an apoplexy about the N word the N word will not go away. Robert McWhorter has been called the N word. He is unaffected because he has massive high esteem. The N word does not work for anyone that is trying to insult McWhorter.

So that’s a yes then? If I call someone an n-word and they get offended, it’s their fault?

 

[Saint by the Bay]

The system?? Whatever that is has life of its own. In any event Republicans promote nationalism and Democrats promote the concept of victimization. Both techniques bring in convert voters and are based of fascism and socialism. BTW, the latter are wings of the same bird.

White victimhood is literally the only tool the Republicans have in their toolbox anymore. They have made the Democrats look like rank amateurs in the victimhood game.

 

[Paul]

White victimhood is literally the only tool the Republicans have in their toolbox anymore. They have made the Democrats look like rank amateurs in the victimhood game.

Oh sure, both sides play the game, but I suspect many on the left embrace the role of the noble victim with much more passion.

If the left accuses the right of playing victimhood politics they are just trying to justify what they do (the other side does it too) or they are practicing the Freudian defense mechanism of projection.

 

[Paul]

So that’s a yes then? If I call someone an n-word and they get offended, it’s their fault?

Nope, the fault always rests on the perpetrator. What I am saying is that the perpetrator will seek words that have an impact. the greater the impact the better for the perpetrator. We are talking about this in a vacuum. I understand the terrible historical implications of the N word.

 

[Paul]

Non-sequitur

OK, you do not see the point. No worries!

 

[Saint by the Bay]

But what fomented the system in the first place? Was it random?

As we often do in these messageboard discussions we have moved so far from the original post I responded to I don't think we are talking about the same thing anymore.

@Farb stated (black) culture was responsible for its treatment by the system.

I stated the system and culture both needed to be fixed and neither could be fixed without the other.

Farb agreed.

Paul presented the chicken or egg scenario.

I stated the system clearly came first.

I think you're insinuating the culture fomented the system, but I think you mean broader American culture. I'm speaking directly to current black culture, which is a bit of a misnomer anyway because what is viewed as "black" culture really represents less than 20% of modern black Americans.

So just to level set, are you asking if the system was a result of greater American "culture" i.e. the centuries-long institutions that supported white supremacy? If so I agree. If you aren't maybe you can clarify then I can respond.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Oh sure, both sides play the game, but I suspect many on the left embrace the role of the noble victim with much more passion.

If the left accuses the right of playing victimhood politics they are just trying to justify what they do (the other side does it too) or they are practicing the Freudian defense mechanism of projection.

No. The left absolutely engages in identity politics and victimhood. Frankly, every politician through history does. You're trying to give the right a pass though, and what they do is absolutely the most disgusting form of victim politics. Their entire foundation is currently built of the premise that white male Christian heterosexuals are under constant assault and mistreatment from the government, big tech, corporate America, and any and every other institution, even the ones they control. It is literally the basis of Trumpism and it is absolutely all they have. Democrats at least play other cards, Republicans don't play a single card that doesn't begin with some majority demographic being a victim.

 

[Paul]

No. The left absolutely engages in identity politics and victimhood. Frankly, every politician through history does. You're trying to give the right a pass though, and what they do is absolutely the most disgusting form of victim politics. Their entire foundation is currently built of the premise that white male Christian heterosexuals are under constant assault and mistreatment from the government, big tech, corporate America, and any and every other institution, even the ones they control. It is literally the basis of Trumpism and it is absolutely all they have. Democrats at least play other cards, Republicans don't play a single card that doesn't begin with some majority demographic being a victim.

I agree 100%.

But, I want to add. Most white people are average. Somehow they are categorized by the success of a few elite people.
Many POC in America have successfully moved to the middle class and are getting educated at very high rates. IN the UK POC women are getting more educated than lower class whites. However, everybody gets measured as a victim. It is all about politics.

 

[Paul]

So just to level set, are you asking if the system was a result of greater American "culture" i.e. the centuries-long institutions that supported white supremacy? If so I agree. If you aren't maybe you can clarify then I can respond.

As someone that was not born in the continental USA I find the term White Supremacy very problematic. I wish another term was used. This term gives the illusion to average redneck deplorable type whites that they are supreme. It also promotes the idea that white is the standard of reference and that all other groups are somehow less. As I said above most white people are quite mundane and average. No different than anyone else.

 

[SystemShock]

It is exactly the same as throwing spaghetti and pizza to an Italian team.

No, it is not.

However, I am going to assume the Italian team would be less sensitive to the insult than the AA team. The degree on the insult is highly dependent on the degree of reaction by the insulted group. The bigots that like to insult other ethnicities try to find a word they know will cause a lot of grief. When the offended group reacts with an apoplexy they know they have found the correct word.

You just stopped your comparison at "throwing things at people" without any of the context behind what's being thrown, why, and the history between the throwers and the targets.

Correct!

So why bring it up?

 

[Saint by the Bay]

As someone that was not born in the continental USA I find the term White Supremacy very problematic. I wish another term was used. This term gives the illusion to average redneck deplorable type whites that they are supreme. It also promotes the idea that white is the standard of reference and that all other groups are somehow less. As I said above most white people are quite mundane and average. No different than anyone else.

I don't get much into parsing language. It's just not my bag. White supremacy is a belief in the supremacy of the white "race", not a factual statement. A decent number of those "mundane" whites certainly believe they are superior. My father-in-law can barely spell and trust me he fully believes he's superior to me.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It is exactly the same as throwing spaghetti and pizza to an Italian team. However, I am going to assume the Italian team would be less sensitive to the insult than the AA team. The degree on the insult is highly dependent on the degree of reaction by the insulted group. The bigots that like to insult other ethnicities try to find a word they know will cause a lot of grief. When the offended group reacts with an apoplexy they know they have found the correct word.

Correct!

No, and this is a terrible take.

If a skinhead uses racial slurs towards people of various races, the way those people react doesn't determine the degree of the insult. If that same skinhead calls a dozen African American's the n-word, it doesn't carry less harmful intent proportional to how each person reacts.

 

[Paul]

No, and this is a terrible take.

If a skinhead uses racial slurs towards people of various races, the way those people react doesn't determine the degree of the insult. If that same skinhead calls a dozen African American's the n-word, it doesn't carry less harmful intent proportional to how each person reacts.

I am looking at this as an observer that does not have a dog in the fight. That is why I said i wanted to look at this in philosophical terms. Throwing spaghetti and pizza to the Italians is very similar to throwing tacos and tortillas to the Mexicans. The main difference is the degree of reaction. Which group has an ax to grind or which group has low self esteem or which group is more tribal attitude. Perhaps if they throw Sauerbraten (Roast Beef Stew) or Schweinshaxe (Pork Knuckle) to germans they just laugh and do not take it as an insult.

The typical narrative suggests a top dog and an underdog. I do not like that.