All things Racist...USA edition (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Saint by the Bay]

But does the system exist without the culture? I see it like love and marriage in the song, or that old anti-drug ad "I do cocaine so I can work more so I can buy more cocaine so I can work more and so on: a culture that foments the system which foments the culture which foments the system and so on.

I don't think it's a chicken or egg scenario. The system clearly came first. The system created institutionalized poverty and a sense of otherness in minority communities which led to the culture. Now the system is trying to combat the culture it created. We are in the vicious circle you defined now, but it clearly started with the system.

 

[SystemShock]

OK, let's try to discuss this in a vacuum from a philosophical point of view. Why is the word tortilla offensive? Is that because tortillas are associated with a Mexican cuisine. BTW, tortillas are also associated with Spanish cuisine, but the tortilla is made with eggs rather than flour. Would Spaniards be offended with the word tortilla too?

Whether someone is offended or not is a personal choice and a sense of feeling put down by others. In other words the so-called racism requires one group to feel superior and the other group to feel inferior. If both groups felt they were equal it would be difficult to practice racism.

Lastly, being offended is always relative. Perhaps the Spaniards are not offended by the word tortilla whereas the Mexicans are hurt. Perhaps the Mexicans that live in Mexico have no issues with the word and the ones that are offended are Mexican-Americans. Insulting words are only powerful when the person that hears the words reacts negatively

O.... k...

So, what would you think if a crowd threw fried chicken and watermelon at a team composed of black athletes? Hey, fried chicken and watermelon are delicious, and blacks seem to love them!

As for tortillas being associated with Spain, a Spaniard tortilla and a Mexican tortilla are completely different. A Spaniard tortilla is basically a quiche.

 

[SystemShock]

I don't think it's a chicken or egg scenario. The system clearly came first. The system created institutionalized poverty and a sense of otherness in minority communities which led to the culture. Now the system is trying to combat the culture it created. We are in the vicious circle you defined now, but it clearly started with the system.

But what fomented the system in the first place? Was it random?

 

[brandon]

Miguel Ruiz speaks to this. If you feel you are inferior then you will be massiveky offended. If you have great self esteem you are untouched and actyally feel pity for the other side.

So, what would you think if a crowd threw fried chicken and watermelon at a team composed of black athletes? Hey, fried chicken and watermelon are delicious, and blacks seem to love them!

@Paul, as @SystemShock demonstrates, this is absolutely racism. And you can pity racists while simultaneously taking steps to make them forking stop being racists.

 

[Paul]

But does the system exist without the culture? I see it like love and marriage in the song, or that old anti-drug ad "I do cocaine so I can work more so I can buy more cocaine so I can work more and so on: a culture that foments the system which foments the culture which foments the system and so on.

Culturally speaking AAs are more sensitized to unsavory remarks than African and Jamaican immigrants so yes------there is a cultural component.

 

[DaveXA]

O.... k...

So, what would you think if a crowd threw fried chicken and watermelon at a team composed of black athletes? Hey, fried chicken and watermelon are delicious, and blacks seem to love them!

As for tortillas being associated with Spain, a Spaniard tortilla and a Mexican tortilla are completely different. A Spaniard tortilla is basically a quiche.

Yes indeed. Context matters.

 

[Paul]

But does the system exist without the culture? I see it like love and marriage in the song, or that old anti-drug ad "I do cocaine so I can work more so I can buy more cocaine so I can work more and so on: a culture that foments the system which foments the culture which foments the system and so on.

I am a 1st generation Latin American in the USA and I can clearly see that Latin people that are 3rd and 4th generation are sensitized by the culture. Obviously, not all.

 

[brandon]

I am a 1st generation Latin American in the USA and I can clearly see that Latin people that are 3rd and 4th generation are sensitized by the culture. Obviously, not all.

Cuban?

 

[DaveXA]

@Paul, as @SystemShock demonstrates, this is absolutely racism. And you can pity racists while simultaneously taking steps to make them forking stop being racists.

Yes, but comparing words isn't really the issue, it's comparing the context in which they're used. The difference is the n-word is nearly always used as an insult. Which is why I never say it in any context. But fried chicken and tortillas are food names that have no negative connotations unless you're specifically using them in a context that is intended as an insult.

Throwing the tortillas definitely has racist connotations, and probably intent. Whatever the intent, it certainly was poor judgment at best.

 

[Paul]

But what fomented the system in the first place? Was it random?

The system?? Whatever that is has life of its own. In any event Republicans promote nationalism and Democrats promote the concept of victimization. Both techniques bring in convert voters and are based of fascism and socialism. BTW, the latter are wings of the same bird.

 

[Paul]

I don't think it's a chicken or egg scenario. The system clearly came first. The system created institutionalized poverty and a sense of otherness in minority communities which led to the culture. Now the system is trying to combat the culture it created. We are in the vicious circle you defined now, but it clearly started with the system.

I think you are correct, the system came first. However, I believe the Democrats promote too much victimization. Miguel Ruiz thinks this is a very bad thing.

 

[brandon]

Yes, but comparing words isn't really the issue, it's comparing the context in which they're used. The difference is the n-word is nearly always used as an insult. Which is why I never say it in any context. But fried chicken and tortillas are food names that have no negative connotations unless you're specifically using them in a context that is intended as an insult.

Throwing the tortillas definitely has racist connotations, and probably intent. Whatever the intent, it certainly was poor judgment at best.

If you throw something at someone with the intent to strike them, you’re either doing it to cause physical or emotional harm (or you’re playing dodgeball, but I think we can rule that out).

If you threw fried chicken and watermelons at black people, your intent is to do emotional harm. If you just wanted to throw something for the sake of throwing it, maybe you throw a nerf ball. But instead you chose something directly related to the culture. The same thing applies to tortillas here.

 

[DaveXA]

If you throw something at someone with the intent to strike them, you’re either doing it to cause physical or emotional harm (or you’re playing dodgeball, but I think we can rule that out).

If you threw fried chicken and watermelons at black people, your intent is to do emotional harm. If you just wanted to throw something for the sake of throwing it, maybe you throw a nerf ball. But instead you chose something directly related to the culture. The same thing applies to tortillas here.

That's exactly what I was implying in my second paragraph.

 

[brandon]

The system?? Whatever that is has life of its own. In any event Republicans promote nationalism and Democrats promote the concept of victimization. Both techniques bring in convert voters and are based of fascism and socialism. BTW, the latter are wings of the same bird.

For a moderate, you sure have some radical views.

 

[brandon]

That's exactly what I was implying.

Guess I misunderstood the implication. Consider my statement an addendum to yours, then.

 

[DaveXA]

Guess I misunderstood the implication. Consider my statement an addendum to yours, then.

All good.

 

[Paul]

O.... k...

So, what would you think if a crowd threw fried chicken and watermelon at a team composed of black athletes? Hey, fried chicken and watermelon are delicious, and blacks seem to love them!

It is exactly the same as throwing spaghetti and pizza to an Italian team. However, I am going to assume the Italian team would be less sensitive to the insult than the AA team. The degree on the insult is highly dependent on the degree of reaction by the insulted group. The bigots that like to insult other ethnicities try to find a word they know will cause a lot of grief. When the offended group reacts with an apoplexy they know they have found the correct word.

As for tortillas being associated with Spain, a Spaniard tortilla and a Mexican tortilla are completely different. A Spaniard tortilla is basically a quiche.

Correct!

 

[Paul]

@Paul, as @SystemShock demonstrates, this is absolutely racism. And you can pity racists while simultaneously taking steps to make them forking stop being racists.

Yes, it is racism. And racism will never go away. Ben Franklin used to refer to Germans with tanned skin as Swarthy. IMO, racism needs to be stamped where there is clear visible damage due to a difference in power (I am going to exclude feelings). Fighting over words like tortilla dilutes the effort to fight for what really matters.