All things Racist...USA edition (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I didn't even know who Rufo was until he was brought up here, in this forum, what, 2 hours ago? I've heard thoughts on it from my side of the fence, and now I'm getting the left's perspective.

You don't have to know who he is to fall victim to his bullshirt. I've shown you from his own statements that the thoughts he is feeding people are false.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Are you trying to say that he knows CRT is a legitimate theory and he'll say and do anything to destroy it anyways?

I am saying that he knows it's legitimate, he worked up a false narrative around it, and now he labels everything he hates as CRT. It's right there in the two quotes I showed you.

 

[Peace]

I am saying that he knows it's legitimate, he worked up a false narrative around it, and now he labels everything he hates as CRT. It's right there in the two quotes I showed you.

CRT doesn't sound legitimate to me, so Rufo and I are already at odds.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I described 'voter suppression'. I agree, it is absurd and stupid.

No, you claimed that people think it's racist to stand in line. You either ignore or lack the capacity to grasp nuance. Let me give you a personal example. I used to live in a highly populated rural area with conservative white folks in almost every home. My polling place did not change in the years that I lived there. It was always well-staffed and moved quickly.

Then I moved to an urban area. Democrats everywhere, based on who's been elected. And I am now on my third polling place in the last three election cycles, and each one has featured long lines and little parking space.

This is the kind of stuff that is happening that screams "voter suppression". Precincts likely to serve people that lean left are moved, closed, and underserved. Small things that aren't illegal, but still serve the same purpose as other forms of suppression like gerrymandering and poll monitors.

Look at it this way: you and I both want to get to McDonald's because they're offering the McRib today and today only. My nearest McDonald's is 1.5 miles away and it's always completely staffed with two functional drive-thru lanes and other McDonald's within a few miles to help alleviate the congestion. My total round trip looks like it's going to take 15 minutes, tops.

Your nearest McDonald's is 1.2 miles away, but there are five or six terrible traffic lights along the route, no other McDonald's within 5 miles, and they're always understaffed with one of the two drive-thru lines blocked off. There's also some road construction going on that forces you to detour into a traffic jam. Your total round trip looks like it's going to take at least 45 minutes.

Given all of this, who is more likely to get that sweet, sweet McRib today?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Do you think those 17% have a driver license?

I have no idea. What I do know is that when you have 17% of the people without reliable internet access and you combine that with post office/DMV closings in certain communities and stricter voter ID laws, it seems like the intersection between unreliable-to-zero internet access and distant post office/DMV locations are the ones most likely to be disenfranchised, right?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

CRT doesn't sound legitimate to me, so Rufo and I are already at odds.

What about CRT is illegitimate in your eyes?

 

[Peace]

What about CRT is illegitimate in your eyes?

It talks about racism, but it doesn't target a specific person or group or groups. Are we to believe that CRT is aimed at everyone because we all are racists?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Do you mean African slavery?

yep, all of it

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[cuddlemonkey]

It talks about racism, but it doesn't target a specific person or group or groups. Are we to believe that CRT is aimed at everyone because we all are racists?

I'm not sure what you mean by "it doesn't target a specific person or group or groups." Target in what way and for what purpose?

 

[samiam5211]

Do you think these things are not taught? Or do you need to make sure the precieved evil doer is pointed out with no regard to all the evil doers?

For example, when discussing African slavery, should we not being educating the youth on slavery as a whole in the world and who the white/brown/black and yellow slavers bought their slaves from? Or do we just fast forward to the white owning black people?

Do we discuss how the native tribes took slaves, before Europeans set foot on this side of the world and also displaced other native tribes through warfare or do we just fastforward to the evil of the white people.

You are correct that you cannot teach American history without including the fights/treaties with the natives and the oppression of black people but if you are going to label it history, it would make sense to include all the history. Otherwise, you are creating a political and ideological club to beat other citizens with. I know that is the point, but I want to hear you defend it.

Do you think that the people who teach history just leave out who the slaves were bought from?

 

[Peace]

I'm not sure what you mean by "it doesn't target a specific person or group or groups." Target in what way and for what purpose?

Does CRT have an intended audience or is it just leisure reading for the casual passer by?

 

[Optimus Prime]

I feel like this encapsulates a lot of racial issues

Grievous harms and injustices are committed against minorities and decades or centuries later when asked "are you going to make amends or reparations for the harms and injustices you've done?"

The answer is basically, 'No, we're not going to be doing that" said in the most condescending and patronizing way possible

And when asked "will you stop doing it?" The answer is still no, but be more sly about it and have some plausible deniability

 

[Farb]

Do you think that the people who teach history just leave out who the slaves were bought from?

You tell me? I didn't learn that they were sold into slavery by other African tribes in school.

 

[Farb]

I feel like this encapsulates a lot of racial issues

Grievous harms and injustices are committed against minorities and decades or centuries later when asked "are you going to make amends or reparations for the harms and injustices you've done?"

The answer is basically, 'No, we're not going to be doing that" said in the most condescending and patronizing way possible

And when asked "will you stop doing it?" The answer is still no, but be more sly about it and have some plausible deniability

I am curious as I have seen this guy posted several times. Do you all consider him actual news and reliable or more a comedy social commentary?

 

[Peace]

I feel like this encapsulates a lot of racial issues

Grievous harms and injustices are committed against minorities and decades or centuries later when asked "are you going to make amends or reparations for the harms and injustices you've done?"

The answer is basically, 'No, we're not going to be doing that" said in the most condescending and patronizing way possible

And when asked "will you stop doing it?" The answer is still no, but be more sly about it and have some plausible deniability

What would makes things right, OP? What, in your opinion, needs to happen to make things right?

 

[Farb]

yep, all of it

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The vast majority of slaves brought to the new world were sold by other African tribes that captured the individuals for the only reason to sell them into slavery? Did I see that and miss it?

 

[coldseat]

I understand what you are saying to an extent but the system our country was founded on was not for bureaucratic control.

The was a bureaucracy that was created when our government was formed. Congress, through laws, created a bureaucracy, that the executive branch then controlled. The bureaucracy was delegated powers by Congress to carry out its mandate. The exact same thing is happens today. You seem to have this very warped view for our governments history.

The Development of the Bureaucracy [ushistory.org]

www.ushistory.org

The bureaucracy, or the deep state, does not get to enforce or establish laws by our founding documents but they hold most of the power.

The bureaucracy did indeed have power to enforce laws from the very formation of our government. The also had power to make rules by which to enforce those laws.

I don't agree that our elected officials have to cede power to non elected officials.

Maybe cede wasn't the correct word, but our elected officials (again through laws) have to delegate power to the bureaucracy for it to function. That's the only way it works. But our elected officials can also take that power back, restrict the power, add to that power or do away with a specific bureaucratic function all through the laws that they pass. The Congress retains that power for itself.

That is saying we as citizens have to cede our power established by the founding documents to non-elected officials.

No it is not. As a citizen, you still have the power to elect officials who will change or eliminate the power of any bureaucratic non-elected official. That is your power. What you're really complaining about is that there aren't enough elected represent vies who agree with your position and are willing to pass laws to change the power of the bureaucracy.

I do understand that all of those bureaucracy are currently held by those that you agree with both politically and ideologically but that won't always be the case and I do think you would change you stance rather quickly if that is the case.

The power of the bureaucracy is held by the elected president of the US and the Secretaries he appoints and confirmed by Congress. When Trump radicalized DHS or the DOJ after he was elected president, I didn't argue for those departments to be dismantled. I know some progressive wanted to do away with ICE, but not me. What I did wan was a change in the president and leadership of those departments and a change in policy. And that happened when Biden was elected.

Not to single you out on that as I fully admit that if the deep state was ideologically conservative, I would be much much more accepting. The point is that the deep state should be be neutral and it is currently not.

The bureaucracy is going to follow the policy of the President, within the mandate and laws set by Congess. That's the way it's always worked in this country.

Then why was Trump called illegitimate?

https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-labels-trump-illegitimate-170547434.html

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jimmy-carter-trump-russia_n_5d162e15e4b082e553686a92

https://www.insider.com/joe-biden-says-he-agrees-trump-is-illegitimate-president-2019-5

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ms-dont-accept-trump-as-legitimate-president/

I could go on and on but you get the point. One claims Russian disinformation and the other claims voter fraud/big tech/media disinformation. I don't see the huge difference that the left sees.

Because somebody is always going to call you illegitimate. The point is Democrats moved on to governing. Hillary Clinton wasn't trying to martial a wave of election denial 2 years after she lost and demanding fealty form all Democrats.