All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (24 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[JimEverett]

Andrew Cuomo ordered 750,000 doses of Chloroquine to treat New Yorkers.

 

[JimEverett]

How is it possible that they'd be anti-Trump yet took the drug specifically because of what Trump said? That doesn't seem compatible.

They didn't take a drug. They ingested a fish tank cleaning solvent.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

How is it possible that they'd be anti-Trump yet took the drug specifically because of what Trump said? That doesn't seem compatible.

Some people are stupid. Logic doesn't always enter the equation for some people.

 

[SaintForLife]

Andrew Cuomo ordered 750,000 doses of Chloroquine to treat New Yorkers.

Cuomo is responsible for that person's death too right? How idiotic can Cuomo be to order that drug when Dr Fauci didn't fully endorse it as a cure? I think I will go drink some Draino since Cuomo ordered that drug. I'm so mad at Cuomo, but I don't even know why!

-sarcasm off

 

[donato]

Some people are stupid. Logic doesn't always enter the equation for some people.

No, no. I mean, is there any proof either way that they're Trump or anti-Trump?

But going on common sense I can't imagine they'd be anti-Trump (before taking it).

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Cuomo is responsible for that person's death too right? How idiotic can Cuomo be to order that drug when Dr Fauci didn't fully endorse it as a cure? I think I will go drink some Draino since Cuomo ordered that drug. I'm so mad at Cuomo, but I don't even know why!

-sarcasm off

You understand the difference between Trump endorsing something as an actual cure and a a state beginning clinical trials to see if there's any truth to these anecdotal stories, right?

 

[Heathen]

In Today's version of Obvious News..Bernie Sanders has made a provision that those unemployed workers as a result of the virus would get 100% of their salary up to 75k..

Republicans including Lindsay Graham object and hold up the passing of the legislation over disputing that it would "incentivize" not working.

Last-minute complaints threaten $2T Senate coronavirus emergency aid

A round of eleventh-hour objections is throwing a curveball into the Senate’s consideration of a mammoth stimulus package. Senate leadership announced the deal on th…

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If Republicans in Congress cared half as much about the working class as they do obsessing over people not working, we would be so much better off as a country.

 

[SaintForLife]

You understand the difference between Trump endorsing something as an actual cure and a a state beginning clinical trials to see if there's any truth to these anecdotal stories, right?

Trump was far from definitive about it being a cure in the comments I've seen him talking about the drug.

 

[SaintForLife]

In Today's version of Obvious News..Bernie Sanders has made a provision that those unemployed workers as a result of the virus would get 100% of their salary up to 75k..

Republicans including Lindsay Graham object and hold up the passing of the legislation over disputing that it would "incentivize" not working.

Last-minute complaints threaten $2T Senate coronavirus emergency aid

A round of eleventh-hour objections is throwing a curveball into the Senate’s consideration of a mammoth stimulus package. Senate leadership announced the deal on th…

www.google.com

If Republicans in Congress cared half as much about the working class as they do obsessing over people not working, we would be so much better off as a country.

I don't like what Graham and the other 2 Republicans are doing. I'm curious who you thought was caring about the working class while the Democrats held up the agreement, while people and businesses desperately needed money, while they tried to get their unrelated liberal pet projects included.

 

[Heathen]

I don't like what Graham and the other 2 Republicans are doing. I'm curious who you thought was caring about the working class while the Democrats held up the agreement, while people and businesses desperately needed money, while they tried to get their unrelated liberal pet projects included.

It's very easy to blame anyone who holds up a consensus arrived at by either side. If we just concentrate on who can get something passed first, we'll never know who has the American people's best interest in mind. My money is on them all having a bad track record.

As I understand it, the bill 2 days ago among many other things provided little oversight to the $500 billion in business loans, one problem of which could be these companies use that money for stock buybacks (which is what they did en masse after Trump's tax corporate tax handout).

It also would've prohibited those who didn't file income taxes from receiving any of the emergency funds, as well as no protections for homeowners for eviction or foreclosure caused by virus related unemployment, etc.

Let me be clear. Republicans at large and very many Democrats only care about their corporate overseers. The breadcrumbs in the form of a thousand dollar check are just for political brownie points when it's voting time. Why would they change their ways now?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Trump was far from definitive about it being a cure in the comments I've seen him talking about the drug.

He called it "very effective." He said it was safe and won't kill anyone. He said it was already approved by the FDA.

He is most definitely implying that this stuff can cure you. And some poor old couple found something with a similar name and tried it. And now one of them is dead.

I am not saying Trump is at fault for their actions, but I will damn sure say that he has some level of culpability.

 

[Heathen]

Only American Republicans are more terrified at the prospect of people getting paid while doing not working during a pandemic than they are with the prospect of American workers losing their jobs, livelihoods, and sanity in devastating numbers.

Would be karma if someone cut off their means to make a steady income and have top shelf health care and then clutched their pearls in dire outrage and disgust if they needed assistance, wouldn't it?

I've had to work and suffer through job losses and not knowing where i'll get my next meal, why don't they?

Cut em off and then tell em to 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps', I say:

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I posted this on the other site, but it really highlights why our late start is going to cost us more in the long term, but there is still time to course correct.

I think this article does a good job of outlining what policymakers should be aiming for with their strategies to combat the pandemic. Basically, it breaks the strategy into two phases... the Hammer and the Dance. The Hammer is when you lock everything down to get R (the transmission rate) as close to 0 as possible. These are the severe lockdowns, and would last 3-7 weeks. The earlier you implement them, the less severe they need to be and the quicker you can remove them. Then comes the dance where you try to keep R as close to 1 as possible (just underneath 1). This is where the importance of testing comes in, you can tailor your response based on data.

It also explains that the extensive testing South Korea was able to quickly implement is the reason their "Hammer" phase was not very severe and looks to be short. They were able to jump on it quickly and get R close to 0 through contact tracing without having to lock people in their homes.

 

[SaintForLife]

It's very easy to blame anyone who holds up a consensus arrived at by either side. If we just concentrate on who can get something passed first, we'll never know who has the American people's best interest in mind. My money is on them all having a bad track record.

As I understand it, the bill 2 days ago among many other things provided little oversight to the $500 billion in business loans, one problem of which could be these companies use that money for stock buybacks (which is what they did en masse after Trump's tax corporate tax handout).

It also would've prohibited those who didn't file income taxes from receiving any of the emergency funds, as well as no protections for homeowners for eviction or foreclosure caused by virus related unemployment, etc.

Let me be clear. Republicans at large and very many Democrats only care about their corporate overseers. The breadcrumbs in the form of a thousand dollar check are just for political brownie points when it's voting time. Why would they change their ways now?

That 500 billion dollar slush fund talking point was BS.


The Buyback talking point wasn't true either.



Here are a few examples of the liberal pet projects that held up the agreement for 3 days in this twitter thread.



The US is basically run by big businesses and special interests. The Republicans don't hide that they are in the pocket of big business like the Democrats.

 

[dtc]

Do I want to bet on the political affiliation of two idiots? No, I don't.
But it would be comical if they were they were never-trumpers.

So it is your stance that because a political leader says something and someone that heard those words, acts upon them, then the person that said the words are at fault and not the person that took the action?

I like to think I'm fairly literate and I typed out pretty clearly what I meant. DD can probably give you the post number to refer to if you'd like.

And it would be comical if they were never trumpers. If that's the case, they're the dumbest people on earth and deserve what they get. For that matter, whatever political party these idiots belong to doesn't absolve them of their stupidity for taking medical advice from a liar.

 

[JimEverett]

I posted this on the other site, but it really highlights why our late start is going to cost us more in the long term, but there is still time to course correct.

I think this article does a good job of outlining what policymakers should be aiming for with their strategies to combat the pandemic. Basically, it breaks the strategy into two phases... the Hammer and the Dance. The Hammer is when you lock everything down to get R (the transmission rate) as close to 0 as possible. These are the severe lockdowns, and would last 3-7 weeks. The earlier you implement them, the less severe they need to be and the quicker you can remove them. Then comes the dance where you try to keep R as close to 1 as possible (just underneath 1). This is where the importance of testing comes in, you can tailor your response based on data.

It also explains that the extensive testing South Korea was able to quickly implement is the reason their "Hammer" phase was not very severe and looks to be short. They were able to jump on it quickly and get R close to 0 through contact tracing without having to lock people in their homes.

Interesting piece. Not that I have read a ton of these, I do like that this one gives a timeframe on the "hammer" portion and makes the case for why there would not be a spike after relaxation. Those are the concerns I have wondered about.

 

[SaintForLife]

He called it "very effective." He said it was safe and won't kill anyone. He said it was already approved by the FDA.

He is most definitely implying that this stuff can cure you. And some poor old couple found something with a similar name and tried it. And now one of them is dead.

I am not saying Trump is at fault for their actions, but I will damn sure say that he has some level of culpability.

Are you claiming that it wasn't effective initially?

Chloroquine, an old malaria drug, may help treat novel coronavirus, doctors say

According to early research, an old malaria drug called chloroquine might also work for the new coronavirus.

abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org

Are you denying chloroquine is considered a safe medication? This is from the CDC:

Trump was immediately corrected by the FDA commissioner that chloroquine had not been approved yet by the FDA for treatment of Coronavirus. Let's not act like his intial statement was left out there for people to think it was correct.

Only people who hate Trump could claim he has any culpability for someone who drank fish tank cleaner.

 

[Heathen]

That 500 billion dollar slush fund talking point was BS.

Well it's 500 billion vs. 150 billion. Is that correct? Doesn't seem like BS to me.

The Buyback talking point wasn't true either.

Color me cynical after this administration's history tells a different story.

Here are a few examples of the liberal pet projects that held up the agreement for 3 days in this twitter thread.



The US is basically run by big businesses and special interests. The Republicans don't hide that they are in the pocket of big business like the Democrats.

That was essentially one big rant. I'm not saying it's nonsense, but I'd be interested to see a more insightful breakdown. Sure, the liberals (neolibs) have their own agenda, but it's just astonishing to me that anyone supports Republican leadership when they don't hide that they don't GAF about the average worker, and even go as far as to shame them as they did whenever Sanders proposed paying furloughed workers weekly for 4 months saying essentially 'we can't encourage lazy behavior'.

They give a finger to the working class and have successfully convinced many folks barely getting by that it's the less fortunate that are the problem. Game. Set. Match.

I think we live in an economy and government by the rich, for the rich, and I don't see Americans writ large caring enough to change that downhill freight train anytime soon. Many of my views on the economy and worker's rights are considered 'extreme' by both parties (see my avy), so I'm happy whenever either side does something in line with what I consider right. Just my 2 cents.