All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (18 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[Taurus]

This is why the RWNJ media are pushing so hard for a lab leak.

I don't expect it from [Mod Edit Triggering] Mod edit: Trump's tame media, but someone has to counter that narrative with the truth.

Covid was reelection on a silver platter. Chump was just too stupid to see it and too much a slave to his mental illness to take advantage even if he did.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Nearly 17,000 people across six countries may have died because they took hydroxychloroquine (HQC) during the first wave of COVID-19 in 2020, according to a new analysis published by French researchers.

Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malaria drug that was prescribed off-label to treat COVID-19 in the early stage of the pandemic, as researchers and physicians scrambled to find a way to combat the disease. It was also proposed as a preventative measure.

In February and March 2020, the use of this treatment was widely promoted based on preliminary reports suggesting a potential efficacy against COVID-19. However, subsequent studies showed that not only did the drug have no benefit, it also resulted in a significant increase in risk of death.

According to the researchers from Lyon, France, and Quebec, Canada, providers still prescribed hydroxychloroquine to some patients hospitalized with COVID-19 “despite the absence of evidence documenting its clinical benefits.”

The analysis found an estimated 16,990 excess deaths across six countries — Turkey, Belgium, France, Spain, Italy and the U.S. — were likely attributed to hydroxychloroquine use.

The researchers analyzed other studies that tracked hospitalizations, exposure to hydroxychloroquine and the relative risk of death from the drug.

The toxicity of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19 was partially due to cardiac side effects, such as abnormal heart rhythms.

However, the researchers noted their numbers were likely an undercoun, but could also be a significant overcount.

The study period was only from March to July 2020, and there was a general lack of data from most countries. The actual number of deaths related to hydroxychloroquine could be between 3,000 and 30,000, they said.

Worldwide, the number of deaths related to hydroxychloroquine “was obviously underestimated because of the lack of studies in regions, such as East Europe, United Kingdom, Germany, Scandinavia, Africa, and South America,” the researchers wrote.

Since there were about 600 million people combined living in the countries included in the study, the researchers said the real number of hydroxychloroquine-induced deaths might be “significantly higher given the wide use of HCQ during the first and subsequent waves in numerous countries.” ...............

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4389800-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-study/

 

[faceman]

His cold, dead hand.

One would think his death due to spitting in the face of the covid threat would have changed
many minds in the far right wingers. All it did was make them harden their stance. Ladapo
needs to be removed from office asap.

 

[faceman]

Nearly 17,000 people across six countries may have died because they took hydroxychloroquine (HQC) during the first wave of COVID-19 in 2020, according to a new analysis published by French researchers.

Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malaria drug that was prescribed off-label to treat COVID-19 in the early stage of the pandemic, as researchers and physicians scrambled to find a way to combat the disease. It was also proposed as a preventative measure.

In February and March 2020, the use of this treatment was widely promoted based on preliminary reports suggesting a potential efficacy against COVID-19. However, subsequent studies showed that not only did the drug have no benefit, it also resulted in a significant increase in risk of death.

According to the researchers from Lyon, France, and Quebec, Canada, providers still prescribed hydroxychloroquine to some patients hospitalized with COVID-19 “despite the absence of evidence documenting its clinical benefits.”

The analysis found an estimated 16,990 excess deaths across six countries — Turkey, Belgium, France, Spain, Italy and the U.S. — were likely attributed to hydroxychloroquine use.

The researchers analyzed other studies that tracked hospitalizations, exposure to hydroxychloroquine and the relative risk of death from the drug.

The toxicity of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19 was partially due to cardiac side effects, such as abnormal heart rhythms.

However, the researchers noted their numbers were likely an undercoun, but could also be a significant overcount.

The study period was only from March to July 2020, and there was a general lack of data from most countries. The actual number of deaths related to hydroxychloroquine could be between 3,000 and 30,000, they said.

Worldwide, the number of deaths related to hydroxychloroquine “was obviously underestimated because of the lack of studies in regions, such as East Europe, United Kingdom, Germany, Scandinavia, Africa, and South America,” the researchers wrote.

Since there were about 600 million people combined living in the countries included in the study, the researchers said the real number of hydroxychloroquine-induced deaths might be “significantly higher given the wide use of HCQ during the first and subsequent waves in numerous countries.” ...............

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4389800-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-study/

When Trump first suggested hydroxychloroquine as a treatment my immediate thought was why would anyone
take a anti-parasitic medication to treat a viral infection? I didn't need to speak to my doctor first,but that's just me.
I still can't wrap my mind around the fact that so many people believed what Trump was suggesting.

 

[SaintForLife]

This is why the RWNJ media are pushing so hard for a lab leak.

What a laughable strawman. People want to know what the truth is and if is was a lab leak then people should be held accountable and gain of function research should be banned.

 

[faceman]

What a laughable strawman. People want to know what the truth is and if is was a lab leak then people should be held accountable and gain of function research should be banned.

It wasn't leaked from a lab though.

 

[SaintForLife]

Fauci spearheaded one of the most brazen coverups in recent history.

The US government had been financing gain-of-function bat research at the Wuhan Institute. That type of experimentation genetically alters organisms to enable the spread of viruses into new species. Such research is extremely dangerous.

The risks were compounded because the Wuhan Institute had a very poor safety rating, according to the US State Department.

But Fauci believed the 'best and brightest' could outsmart Mother Nature.

In 2012, he declared it was 'unlikely but conceivable' that gain-of-function research would 'trigger a pandemic.

"He was confident 'the resulting knowledge outweighs the risks.

Fauci will sit early next week for two days of depositions to explain his role in funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology, his efforts to debunk the 'lab leak' theory,…and federal censorship.

The subcommittee announced Fauci's 'honesty is non-negotiable.

But will his memory stage another boycott?

When Fauci was deposed in late 2022…, he claimed 174 times 'I don’t recall'— including about damning and quite memorable emails he sent.

Fauci will fetch a team of four lawyers to the deposition, rigging the odds against candor.

 

[SaintForLife]

It wasn't leaked from a lab though.

According to who?

 

[faceman]

According to who?

The current science,but you know this already and don't want to accept it

 

[SaintForLife]

The current science,but you know this already and don't want to accept it

The current science?

Lab Leak Most Likely Caused Pandemic, Energy Dept. Says (Published 2023)

The conclusion, which was made with “low confidence,” came as America’s intelligence agencies remained divided over the origins of the coronavirus.

www.nytimes.com

FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak most likely - BBC News

Other US agencies have come to different conclusions from the FBI on how the pandemic began.

www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Taurus]

Now I get it!

The reason for this mad windmill-tilting is to find some way, some excuse, any chunk of mud to fling that will shift the blame for our pathetic, tragically awful response to Covid away from the cowardly Twinkie and on to someone, anyone, else.

Sadly, we're not going to ignore Trump's own words admitting that he knew Covid was coming in January 2020 and deliberately chose to downplay it.

 

[RobF]

The current science?

Lab Leak Most Likely Caused Pandemic, Energy Dept. Says (Published 2023)

The conclusion, which was made with “low confidence,” came as America’s intelligence agencies remained divided over the origins of the coronavirus.

www.nytimes.com

FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak most likely - BBC News

Other US agencies have come to different conclusions from the FBI on how the pandemic began.

www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

"The current science?", said SFL, linking to two articles about the views of the US... intelligence community... both of which explicitly say, "Some elements of the intelligence community have reached conclusions on one side, some on the other."

I mean, I didn't know you were such a big fan of the FBI, SFL, but they're not renowned for being the embodiment of the science community.

 

[SaintForLife]

"The current science?", said SFL, linking to two articles about the views of the US... intelligence community... both of which explicitly say, "Some elements of the intelligence community have reached conclusions on one side, some on the other."

I mean, I didn't know you were such a big fan of the FBI, SFL, but they're not renowned for being the embodiment of the science community.

Both the FBI and the Energy department said it most likely was a lab leak despite your weak spin attempt.

Are the FBI and Energy department in on the right wing conspiracy?

 

[SaintForLife]

Now I get it!

The reason for this mad windmill-tilting is to find some way, some excuse, any chunk of mud to fling that will put shift the blame for our pathetic, tragically awful response to Covid away from the cowardly Twinkie and on to someone, anyone, else.

Sadly, we're not going to ignore Trump's own words admitting that he knew Covid was coming in January 2020 and deliberately chose to downplay it.

Omg Trumps words. Did Covid hear what Trump said and then that changed how they infected people?

It's obvious you don't believe it was a lab leak. For arguments sake let's say it was a lab leak. Considering we know for a fact that the US funded the Wuhan lab, what do you think should happen? Should the people who were involved be held responsible? Should gain of function research be banned?

 

[RobF]

Both the FBI and the Energy department said it most likely was a lab leak despite your weak spin attempt.

Are the FBI and Energy department in on the right wing conspiracy?

Is calling everything you don't like "weak spin" or "word salad" all you do now?

Pointing out you haven't linked to anything scientific, and what you have linked to indicates divided views and a lack of confidence is clearly relevant when the subject is the current science. Heck, the scientist quoted in the BBC article was of the opinion that a "natural origin is still the more likely theory."

That hardly supports your argument, does it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Do you think it was an accidental lab leak or an intentional release?

 

[SaintForLife]

Is calling everything you don't like "weak spin" or "word salad" all you do now?

Pointing out you haven't linked to anything scientific, and what you have linked to indicates divided views and a lack of confidence is clearly relevant when the subject is the current science. Heck, the scientist quoted in the BBC article was of the opinion that a "natural origin is still the more likely theory."

That hardly supports your argument, does it.

He said the current science which a vague statement that doesn't mean anything. That's why I said current science?

I then posted that the FBI and Energy department both said it was most likely a lab leak.

I wasn't linking the FBI and Energy department to "the current science."

Are the FBI and the Energy department in on the right wing conspiracy about the lab leak?

 

[SaintForLife]

Do you think it was an accidental lab leak or an intentional release?

Accidental