All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (3 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[coldseat]

It's started with the single whistleblower correct? Then they investigated further.

After the whistle-blower account, the intelligence committee requested the call log to confirm. And it did. Then the intellegence committee dug further and uncovered the hold on the appropriations. Then the impeachment inquiry started.

The Republicans have been investigating Hunter for two years and all they've got is a whistle-blower account that the people named in have denied said account. That's all.

Not even close to the same things. So tired of this stupid whataboutism. You guys are dumbing America down so much.

 

[MT15]

It's started with the single whistleblower correct? Then they investigated further.

That’s not the same as saying the entire impeachment was based on a single whistleblower and you know it. They investigated and found proof that Trump was illegally withholding congressionally approved aid from an ally for purely political reasons.

 

[bird]

What's ironic is Trump was talking about the exact thing that Joe and Hunter are under fire for now. How do get a job that I have no experience for & pays me millions like Hunter had with Burisma?

There are numbers of people who get put on corporate boards and who have little to no experience with that company’s business.

What is ironic is that you don’t get it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It was most definitely a deflection attempt. He made no mention of the CIA trying to pay some of their analysts to change their analysis from lab leak to zoonotic.

The Ukraine Trump impeachment wasn't based off of a single whistleblower? Wrong again

At the heart of this story was a complaint from an unknown whistleblower.

In August 2019, an anonymous intelligence official wrote a letter expressing concern over President Trump's 25 July phone conversation with Ukraine's president.

The official spoke of an "urgent concern" that Mr Trump had used his office to "solicit interference from a foreign country" in the 2020 election.

Trump impeachment: The short, medium and long story - BBC News

The president has been cleared at his impeachment trial. Here's the story in 100, 300 and 800 words.

www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

It wasn't an effort to deflect. I was just pointing out that you have a habit of listening to the person shouting the loudest. In my experience, that person is very rarely the competent adult in the room.

 

[SaintForLife]

It wasn't an effort to deflect. I was just pointing out that you have a habit of listening to the person shouting the loudest. In my experience, that person is very rarely the competent adult in the room.

The loudest person in the room? How about a whistleblower in this instance that brought to light that the CIA was trying to pay their analysts off?

I remember when you guys lauded every whistleblower as patriots during the Trump administration. Now the tables have turned and y'all now try to discredit every whistleblower that comes out. So predictable.

 

[bird]

The loudest person in the room? How about a whistleblower in this instance that brought to light that the CIA was trying to pay their analysts off?

I remember when you guys lauded every whistleblower as patriots during the Trump administration. Now the tables have turned and y'all now try to discredit every whistleblower that comes out. So predictable.

Don’t have to discredit Comer’s and Jordan’s ”whistleblowers”. They did that by themselves.

So predictably stupid and simplistic. Try again.

 

[SaintForLife]

After the whistle-blower account, the intelligence committee requested the call log to confirm. And it did. Then the intellegence committee dug further and uncovered the hold on the appropriations. Then the impeachment inquiry started.

The Republicans have been investigating Hunter for two years and all they've got is a whistle-blower account that the people named in have denied said account. That's all.

Not even close to the same things. So tired of this stupid whataboutism. You guys are dumbing America down so much.

Whataboutism is used to try to stop questions into whether people and people on their side follow the same standards they impose on others. It's obvious you don't and don't want any comparisons.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The loudest person in the room? How about a whistleblower in this instance that brought to light that the CIA was trying to pay their analysts off?

I remember when you guys lauded every whistleblower as patriots during the Trump administration. Now the tables have turned and y'all now try to discredit every whistleblower that comes out. So predictable.

As a general rule:

A whistleblower whose story has been corroborated: credible.

A whistleblower whose story has not been corroborated: not credible.

I would go into further detail, but I really don't want to get bogged down in your crap.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Whataboutism is used to try to stop questions into whether people and people on their side follow the same standards they impose on others. It's obvious you don't and don't want any comparisons.

The loudest person in the room? How about a whistleblower in this instance that brought to light that the CIA was trying to pay their analysts off?

I remember when you guys lauded every whistleblower as patriots during the Trump administration. Now the tables have turned and y'all now try to discredit every whistleblower that comes out. So predictable.

HA!

 

[SaintForLife]

HA!

Swing and a miss. I wasn't the one who accused someone of whataboutism. Keep trying though. You'll get there eventually.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Swing and a miss. I wasn't the one who accused someone of whataboutism. Keep trying though. You'll get there eventually.

I sincerely hope that I never get to where you are.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[bird]

Why did Trump pull the CDC team out of Wuhan?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

"NIH Funds Gain of Function Research" is wildly different than "NIH Suspends Funding for Team that Illegally Performed Research in Violation of Grant Terms".

 

[SaintForLife]

"NIH Funds Gain of Function Research" is wildly different than "NIH Suspends Funding for Team that Illegally Performed Research in Violation of Grant Terms".

"NIH determined that an experiment by WIV..yielded a greater than 1 log increase in viral activity, in violation of the terms of the grant

 

[cuddlemonkey]

"NIH determined that an experiment by WIV..yielded a greater than 1 log increase in viral activity, in violation of the terms of the grant

Yes. In violation of the terms of the grant. That's what I said.

 

[SaintForLife]

Yes. In violation of the terms of the grant. That's what I said.

NIH determined that an experiment by WIV..yielded a greater than 1 log increase in viral activity = gain of function

 

[cuddlemonkey]

NIH determined that an experiment by WIV..yielded a greater than 1 log increase in viral activity = gain of function

Yes... and that gain of function violated the terms of the grant. The NIH didn't fund gain of function research any more than I funded someone's drug habit because they used the $100 I loaned them for their power bill to buy cocaine instead.