All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (10 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[Farb]

https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-see...EnJqy5BlmuGvV2MY91lY-HEmMTeOAMgKWWBURFZ8PKBsa

MIAMI (AP) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday that he plans to petition the state's Supreme Court to convene a grand jury to investigate “any and all wrongdoing” with respect to the COVID-19 vaccines.

The Republican governor, who is often mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2024, gave no specifics on what wrongdoing the panel would investigate, but suggested it would be in part aimed to jog loose more information from pharmaceutical companies about the vaccines and potential side effects.

He made the announcement following a roundtable with Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo and a panel of scientists and physicians.

“We’ll be able to get the data whether they want to give it or not,” DeSantis said. “In Florida, it is illegal to mislead and misrepresent, especially when you are talking about the efficacy of a drug.”

Vaccine studies funded by pharmaceutical companies that developed COVID-19 vaccines have been published in peer-reviewed journals such as the New England Journal of Medicine, and government panels reviewed data on the safety and effectiveness of the shots before approving them for use.

The grand jury request, released later Tuesday, argues that pharmaceutical companies had a financial interest in creating a climate in which people believed that getting a coronavirus vaccine would ensure they couldn’t spread the virus to others.

It seeks a grand jury to investigate, among other things, whether any deceitful information was disseminated about “vaccines purported to prevent COVID-19 infection, symptoms, and transmission.”

 

[Taurus]

https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-see...EnJqy5BlmuGvV2MY91lY-HEmMTeOAMgKWWBURFZ8PKBsa

MIAMI (AP) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday that he plans to petition the state's Supreme Court to convene a grand jury to investigate “any and all wrongdoing” with respect to the COVID-19 vaccines.

The Republican governor, who is often mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2024, gave no specifics on what wrongdoing the panel would investigate, but suggested it would be in part aimed to jog loose more information from pharmaceutical companies about the vaccines and potential side effects.

He made the announcement following a roundtable with Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo and a panel of scientists and physicians.

“We’ll be able to get the data whether they want to give it or not,” DeSantis said. “In Florida, it is illegal to mislead and misrepresent, especially when you are talking about the efficacy of a drug.”

Vaccine studies funded by pharmaceutical companies that developed COVID-19 vaccines have been published in peer-reviewed journals such as the New England Journal of Medicine, and government panels reviewed data on the safety and effectiveness of the shots before approving them for use.

The grand jury request, released later Tuesday, argues that pharmaceutical companies had a financial interest in creating a climate in which people believed that getting a coronavirus vaccine would ensure they couldn’t spread the virus to others.

It seeks a grand jury to investigate, among other things, whether any deceitful information was disseminated about “vaccines purported to prevent COVID-19 infection, symptoms, and transmission.”

Says the known human trafficker.

 

[SamAndreas]

https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-see...EnJqy5BlmuGvV2MY91lY-HEmMTeOAMgKWWBURFZ8PKBsa

MIAMI (AP) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday that he plans to petition the state's Supreme Court to convene a grand jury to investigate “any and all wrongdoing” with respect to the COVID-19 vaccines.

The Republican governor, who is often mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2024, gave no specifics on what wrongdoing the panel would investigate, but suggested it would be in part aimed to jog loose more information from pharmaceutical companies about the vaccines and potential side effects.

He made the announcement following a roundtable with Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo and a panel of scientists and physicians.

“We’ll be able to get the data whether they want to give it or not,” DeSantis said. “In Florida, it is illegal to mislead and misrepresent, especially when you are talking about the efficacy of a drug.”

Vaccine studies funded by pharmaceutical companies that developed COVID-19 vaccines have been published in peer-reviewed journals such as the New England Journal of Medicine, and government panels reviewed data on the safety and effectiveness of the shots before approving them for use.

The grand jury request, released later Tuesday, argues that pharmaceutical companies had a financial interest in creating a climate in which people believed that getting a coronavirus vaccine would ensure they couldn’t spread the virus to others.

It seeks a grand jury to investigate, among other things, whether any deceitful information was disseminated about “vaccines purported to prevent COVID-19 infection, symptoms, and transmission.”

A valid reasonable point of law.

The Florida Supreme Court, or a grand jury impaneled by them, is out of its jurisdiction for this case, and anything they do about it is just theater.

 

[MT15]

A valid reasonable point of law.

The Florida Supreme Court, or a grand jury impaneled by them, is out of its jurisdiction for this case, and anything they do about it is just theater.

Exactly. Just like his human trafficking stunt, and his big talk about punishing Disney. It’s all just verbal diarrhea.

 

[MT15]

 

[Farb]

Says the known human trafficker.

DeSantis is a human trafficer?

 

[Farb]

A valid reasonable point of law.

The Florida Supreme Court, or a grand jury impaneled by them, is out of its jurisdiction for this case, and anything they do about it is just theater.

So a grand jury can't subpoena documents and witnesses?

 

[SamAndreas]

So a grand jury can't subpoena documents and witnesses?

A Florida State Grand Jury is out of it's jurisdiction when the issue at hand will clearly be a Federal case. It needs to be a Federal Grand Jury.

 

[Farb]

https://justthenews.com/politics-po...psy-study-undercuts-feds-post-vax-myocarditis

University of Pittsburgh medical professor Walid Gellad, director of its Center for Pharmaceutical Policy & Prescribing, praised Mandrola's analysis. "The unknowns around potential long term issues for myocarditis are real, but they have been constantly minimized by many doctors talking publicly about it," Gellad tweeted.

"It's mild unless you are in the ICU with myocarditis," Johns Hopkins medical professor and National Academy of Sciences member Marty Makary tweeted, citing a December 2021 New England Journal of Medicine study of post-Pfizer myocarditis in Israel, "or one of the 5 patients in the recent German study found dead at home with it."

 

[SamAndreas]

https://justthenews.com/politics-po...psy-study-undercuts-feds-post-vax-myocarditis

University of Pittsburgh medical professor Walid Gellad, director of its Center for Pharmaceutical Policy & Prescribing, praised Mandrola's analysis. "The unknowns around potential long term issues for myocarditis are real, but they have been constantly minimized by many doctors talking publicly about it," Gellad tweeted.

"It's mild unless you are in the ICU with myocarditis," Johns Hopkins medical professor and National Academy of Sciences member Marty Makary tweeted, citing a December 2021 New England Journal of Medicine study of post-Pfizer myocarditis in Israel, "or one of the 5 patients in the recent German study found dead at home with it."

WOW, what a title you have there Justthenews.

"Mildly dead? German autopsy study undercuts feds' dismissal of COVID vax heart inflammation risks"​

The problem with that title is that the Fed's have not dismissed the "COVID vax heart inflammation risks."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

The Fed's say:

Myocarditis and pericarditis have rarely been reported. When reported, the cases have especially been in adolescents and young adult males within several days after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna).

• More often after the second dose
• Usually within a week of vaccination
• Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis who received care responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly.
• Patients can usually return to their normal daily activities after their symptoms improve.
• Those who have been diagnosed with myocarditis should consult with their cardiologist (heart doctor) about return to exercise or sports.

And then they go on to say:

Should I Still Get Myself or My Child Vaccinated?​

Yes. CDC continues to recommend that everyone ages 6 months and older get vaccinated for COVID-19. The known risks of COVID-19 illness and its related, possibly severe complications, such as long-term health problems, hospitalization, and even death, far outweigh the potential risks of having a rare adverse reaction to vaccination, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.

Those statements are not a dismissal. The Fed has weighed the risk and have published their data and made their recommendations based upon a reasonable holistic view of all the available data. They look at billions of points of data.

Just The News is making a gotcha claim from a very narrow set of misrepresented data which distorts the issue. They use 5 cases amoung 25, ignoring that Germany has a population of 83 million most of whom have been vaccinated.


That isn't just a distortion of the data, it's am OH WOW distortion of the available data.

 

[Taurus]

DeSantis is a human trafficer?

Yes.
That stunt with sending people somewhere under false pretenses counts.
It's the first step to trapping a youngster in a life of prostitution.

 

[MT15]

 

[Optimus Prime]

For a brief moment, there seemed to be a lull in the politicization of a plague. Sure, there were still the anti-vaxxers showing up at school board meetings—and sometimes running them—and the occasional kerfuffle over mandates boiled over. Dr. Anthony Fauci remained a despised figure for some, and one cable network in particular made a point of finding every excuse to post his mug on screen. The internet, safe harbor for kooks of all stripes, continued to promote baseless theories about Covid-19’s origins and potential end.

Still, as the spread of the disease and its disinformation seemed to slow from its hateful boil, things started to feel like they were approaching pre-pandemic levels of normal. Sure, there were still some 135,000 new cases on Thursday in the United States, but that’s way off from the million-plus cases seen last January.

This was, to be clear, a good development. Treating every discussion around a global pandemic that has infected more than 650 million people and killed almost 6.7 million as some sort of binary political test was—and is—a maddening approach to a crisis. Yet there are those who are all too happy to view the pandemic as a useful weapon in scoring points, a detour away from responsible conduct and into the circus tent of politics. Screaming as loud as you can doesn’t make your denial of Covid’s threat any less of one.

Like I said, there was a moment when the carnival organ grinded to a stop, notably when the Republican primaries of this year ended. The silence, however, proved short-lived. Its pipes are back screaming, right as the opening days of the 2024 contest appear to have arrived.

Newly crowned Twitter owner Elon Musk last week sent his own rocket of a troll on his new toy: “My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci.” It was a double-barreled ding against both the nation’s top immunologist, and the inclusive approach of allowing individuals to choose their own gendered or gender-neutral pronouns. Musk, who is testing just how elastic Twitter can be in accommodating political stances, drew the predictable outrage and reward—a cycle some politicians already know well.

Then there was the recent decision by Congress, or more specifically Senate Democrats, to trade away a mandate on vaccines for U.S. military members in exchange for the must-pass defense bill. Even though Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin supported the mandates, it was just one of those things that fell aside in the chase for the big-picture spending. (A companion effort to reinstate discharged service members, however, did not get support.)

Defending the Biden administration’s mandate was unlikely to win Democrats many friends, especially when it meant potentially sacrificing a pay raise for the troops. There are no wins in denying men and women serving in uniform their due, especially at the holidays.

Cynicism, however, always wins. Consider Gov. Ron DeSantis, for example. Just over a year ago, the leader of the aging state of Florida leaned heavily into vaccines. He urged his residents to get the jab, praised vaccines for saving lives, and scrambled to understand the impact of a pandemic on a state with a heavy reliance on tourism. But then, he looked around at the political landscape facing his 2022 re-election and potential 2024 presidential bid, and pulled a full 180: he banned mask and vaccine mandates, trashed Fauci at every turn he could find, and wouldn’t even say if he got his booster shot.

He barreled ahead with plans to reopen Florida before the pandemic had even hit its nadir. Last week, while convening anti-vaxxers for a chat—and preparing for his next act in politics—DeSantis suggested his state’s supreme court should impanel a grand jury to investigate pharmaceutical companies’ transparency in vaccines.............

Don’t Look Now, But the Culture War Is Turning Back to Covid

 

[Dragon]

This may be bad - like very bad news

China’s abrupt and under-prepared exit from zero-Covid could lead to nearly 1 million deaths, according to a new study, as the country braces for an unprecedented wave of infections spreading out from its biggest cities to its vast rural areas.

For nearly three years, the Chinese government has used strict lockdowns, centralized quarantines, mass testing and rigorous contact tracing to curb the spread of the virus. That costly strategy was abandoned earlier this month, following an explosion of protests across the country against stringent restrictions that have upended businesses and daily life.

China could see nearly a million deaths as it exits zero-Covid, study says | CNN

China’s abrupt and under-prepared exit from zero-Covid could lead to nearly 1 million deaths, according to a new study, as the country braces for an unprecedented wave of infections spreading out from its biggest cities to its vast rural areas.

edition.cnn.com

Experience has shown that those mass outbreaks are the perfect place for new and dangerous variants to appear


Another more troublesome thread about this

 

[coldseat]

This may be bad - like very bad news

China could see nearly a million deaths as it exits zero-Covid, study says | CNN

China’s abrupt and under-prepared exit from zero-Covid could lead to nearly 1 million deaths, according to a new study, as the country braces for an unprecedented wave of infections spreading out from its biggest cities to its vast rural areas.

edition.cnn.com

Experience has shown that those mass outbreaks are the perfect place for new and dangerous variants to appear


Another more troublesome thread about this

What a failure of epic proportion by the CCCP and Xi. If they weren't so proud as a government and strident in their authoritarian ways, they could have had a much better policy to deal with Covid than their Zero Covid Policy and certainly had a better plan to end it. But they can't be seen extending the hand and asking the "West" for help with a better vaccine than what they're able to make. It's amazing how many people die in this world because of the pride and ignorance of their chosen/forced government.

Even with the disaster that was the Trump administration, Congress was able to pass the funding that developed the vaccines. Then, thankfully, the Biden administration took over when it was time to distribute the vaccines. Even with Republicans doing everything they could to shoot ourselves in the foot and get more Americans killed than was necessary, we got pretty lucky as a country.

 

[Farb]

WOW, what a title you have there Justthenews.

"Mildly dead? German autopsy study undercuts feds' dismissal of COVID vax heart inflammation risks"​

The problem with that title is that the Fed's have not dismissed the "COVID vax heart inflammation risks."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

The Fed's say:

Myocarditis and pericarditis have rarely been reported. When reported, the cases have especially been in adolescents and young adult males within several days after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna).

• More often after the second dose
• Usually within a week of vaccination
• Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis who received care responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly.
• Patients can usually return to their normal daily activities after their symptoms improve.
• Those who have been diagnosed with myocarditis should consult with their cardiologist (heart doctor) about return to exercise or sports.

And then they go on to say:

Should I Still Get Myself or My Child Vaccinated?​

Yes. CDC continues to recommend that everyone ages 6 months and older get vaccinated for COVID-19. The known risks of COVID-19 illness and its related, possibly severe complications, such as long-term health problems, hospitalization, and even death, far outweigh the potential risks of having a rare adverse reaction to vaccination, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.

Those statements are not a dismissal. The Fed has weighed the risk and have published their data and made their recommendations based upon a reasonable holistic view of all the available data. They look at billions of points of data.

Just The News is making a gotcha claim from a very narrow set of misrepresented data which distorts the issue. They use 5 cases amoung 25, ignoring that Germany has a population of 83 million most of whom have been vaccinated.


That isn't just a distortion of the data, it's am OH WOW distortion of the available data.

Well, you have to be fair. Everyone that brought up anything other than the approved narrative was not really reported so, give it a minute on the sources, the truth will get out eventually I think.

 

[Farb]

Yes.
That stunt with sending people somewhere under false pretenses counts.
It's the first step to trapping a youngster in a life of prostitution.

Ha, are you talking about the aliens being bused to Martha Vineyard?

 

[SamAndreas]

Well, you have to be fair. Everyone that brought up anything other than the approved narrative was not really reported so, give it a minute on the sources, the truth will get out eventually I think.

No I do NOT have to be "fair," not when being "fair" is giving Bull Shirt equal time.

You posted Bull Shirt!

Here's a Moose Turd Pie story video to entertain you, and any others who might see this post. It's funny: