All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (1 Viewer)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[el caliente]

 

[SamAndreas]

That doesn't look like something sac-red, it's missing the sac, it just looks red.

Like a walleyed hissy fit.

 

[H B Lowrey]

We have some fundamental differences for sure. I feel that free speech, the right to peacefully protest, and hearing the opinions of others is part of living in this society. Just like the right to protest might not be convenient for everyone (from the protests by truckers, to BLM, to students and teachers).

It is what it is.

If you didn’t feel that same way you wouldn’t be conversing on the topic and telling them to find a better cause.

Sure, you can put words into my mouth, that's tolerated here. Do go on. You have the floor.

 

[el caliente]

Hopefully they can locate a real cause.

Sure, you can put words into my mouth, that's tolerated here. Do go on. You have the floor.

I didn’t put anything into your mouth. Heck, like the protesters we were commenting on, I’m giving them the attention they seek. I’m listening to you my friend. Isn’t that what people come to these boards in hopes of?

I find your opinion to carry the same weight as those shared by the ones doing the protesting.

 

[H B Lowrey]

I didn’t put anything into your mouth. Heck, like the protesters we were commenting on, I’m giving them the attention they seek. I’m listening to you my friend. Isn’t that what people come to these boards in hopes of?

I find your opinion to carry the same weight as those shared by the ones doing the protesting.

Meh, noise. It shall remain until it's gone.

 

[Lapaz]

I don't understand why the lifting of mandates isn't based on metrics everywhere. I expect this from red states, but I'm disappointed to see many blue states moving away from this approach without citing metrics. While I'm no big fan of our Alabama governor, Kay Ivey, she has done fairly well wrt Covid. Alabama is actually using metrics:

https://www.cdc.gov/nssp/success-stories/AL-Reopen-Decisions.html

I don't know how common this is across the country, because mostly I hear about date based restriction lifting. The CDC may have already done this, but they should be more public about the metrics that they recommend using to relax various restrictions. These metrics should be emphasized, and then we could debate those metrics. The date based restriction system that most states are using doesn't make sense, because usually they are set more than a week out, and then when the date arrives, the conditions may still be bad. The evidence is usually available within a couple of days, so the only reason to lift standards in the future is if the metrics show that it is time. These metrics should apply to all aspects of how we handle all diseases, from the prevention of the spread based on its mortality, to mandates, quarantines, etc.

Despite daily cases coming down, they are still very high nearly everywhere, and hospitals are still getting too many new patients. We see the virus acting differently, so the metrics should also adjust, but it seems that our adjustments are not based on the evidence. The evidence seems to suggest that the time to start relaxing is probably near, but many places are acting to reduce too soon due to public pressure. If we just set metrics throughout the country, then it would be much easier to resist that pressure. The CDC should just point to their metrics, and clarify how they were determined so that we can discuss adjustments. The debates can bring in the impact to society to weigh decisions, but the scientific health metrics need to be the foundation of all of these discussions.

 

[MT15]

These airline employees have just about had it with stupid people.

 

[insidejob]

 

[zztop]

^ speaking of infantile feet stomping

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

GUIZ CAMMON, ENUGH WIT DA MAZKZZZ!

 

[faceman]

Keesler AFB lifted all masking requirements today for those who are fully vaccinated.

 

[brandon]

^ speaking of infantile feet stomping

Karen as fork.

 

[SystemShock]

I agree with you that waving the CSA flag is deplorable, however the way you use it to describe the scenes of these protests you would think they were more prevalent than they were. They had no place there, but from what pictures show, it’s not like every person there was waving them around. Perhaps you have seen pictures where they were more prevalent?

Of course not everyone, but they were there, along the Jesus signs.

This is as if, when describing BLM protests in Minnesota, you were to say buildings were being burnt down all over the place. A building or two may have been burnt down, but it’s not like the entire city was aflame.

You keep trying to find the "both sides"/false equivalency as if it means anything to me or some sort of gotcha... still, wouldn't be the same... because we know for a fact that buildings were not burnt down all over the place nor the entire city was aflame, whereas we always see a good number of CSA flags and Jesus signs every time when anti-vaxxers get together.

What did you want Operation Warp speed to do that it didn’t? Was the roll out not quick enough? Did removing red tape not help? What else needed to be done in your opinion?

What exactly do you think - or been told - this "operation warp speed" did?

 

[MT15]

Karen as fork.

Just like all the other right wingers, freedom only means “you are free to do what I want you to do”. Freaking wanna be dictators.

 

[el caliente]

Of course not everyone, but they were there, along the Jesus signs.


You keep trying to find the "both sides"/false equivalency as if it means anything to me or some sort of gotcha... still, wouldn't be the same... because we know for a fact that buildings were not burnt down all over the place nor the entire city was aflame, whereas we always see a good number of CSA flags and Jesus signs every time when anti-vaxxers get together.


What exactly do you think - or been told - this "operation warp speed" did?

What didn’t Operation Warp Speed do? I’m no Trump supporter, but Operation Warp Speed is the one thing that his administration did get right.

As for the protesters, whatever. As you said, it means nothing to you, so que le valle bien.

 

[SystemShock]

What didn’t Operation Warp Speed do? I’m no Trump supporter, but Operation Warp Speed is the one thing that his administration did get right.

You can't tell me what it did, can you? You know why... because it didn't do sheet.

As for the protesters, whatever. As you said, it means nothing to you, so que le valle bien.

The equivalencies don't mean anything to me. What do valleys have to do with anything?

 

[el caliente]

You can't tell me what it did, can you? You know why... because it didn't do sheet.

The equivalencies don't mean anything to me. What do valleys have to do with anything?

What valley are you talking about? I was just saying “que le vaya bien.” Regarding your quest to determine which social justice causes are worth it, and which ones aren’t. I would love to have a good faith discussion on that matter, but I don’t think that’s on the table.

As for Operation Warp Speed, while it had its hiccups (state and federal government weren’t on the same page, bottlenecks in delivery, perhaps preferential treatment as to who received vaccines initially), by the government purchasing vaccines prior to regulatory approval, it shortened wait times, and cut through a great amount of red tape which usually slows down the process. It also delivered on over 300 million dosages.

Given the scorn it faced going in, and given the situation it was started in, I would grade it as a B+ or B in terms of how well it came off.

What did it do to fall short of your expectations? What has the current administration gotten right?

 

[SFIDC3]

Just like all the other right wingers, freedom only means “you are free to do what I want you to do”. Freaking wanna be dictators.

DeSantis dying of Covid would have been perfect Karma....for personal reasons I hope he dies of something....soon.....