All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (1 Viewer)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[H B Lowrey]

Good thread about natural vs vaccine induced immunity. Final tweet has a link to a study. It’s hard to find good info on this because of the newness of the virus, the fact that the virus is changing pretty rapidly, and politicization of public health policy.

And then there's the fact that both play out over time. Humanity is still very much on the learning curve with this retroviral species.

 

[H B Lowrey]

Just in case you're on facebook and fall into this trap lol

COVID-19 vaccines do not contain HIV

COVID-19 vaccines do not contain harmful substances or introduce disease, though those debunked theories continue to cir

www.politifact.com

When I saw this article scroll past on the right side, I just had to read it. Some people are just that dumb I suppose.

Careful about that abusive language. I've been admonished not to say a poster just wasn't up to speed enough to discuss things science.

 

[MT15]

So there’s a difference between talking about people in the hypothetical and talking about real people in the here and now, right?

Since Andrus owns the web site, we go by his rules, and honestly, they work out for the best. I’ve learned a lot over the years from reading this site.

 

[wardorican]

Careful about that abusive language. I've been admonished not to say a poster just wasn't up to speed enough to discuss things science.

You've been here a week and already got in trouble? Not a great sign.

Also, usually not a good idea to bring up moderation received. Just some friendly advice.

 

[SystemShock]

I don’t mess with the Jan. 6th crowd. Those guys can all pound sand.

Why? Shouldn't the government sit with them for a meeting the minds? Shouldn't we hear what they have to say?

I do appreciate truck drivers who over the past two years have worked to keep store shelves stocked, while folks were out there buying up 1,000,000 rolls of Charmin. They were working hard, and nobody cared if they were vaccinated when they were doing it.

I have no reason now to care who among them are vaccinated, like I had no reason then to care who among them was vaccinated. If they want to keep working, let um.

There were no vaccines available when people were panic-buying toilet paper, and the toilet paper/paper towel shelves weren't exactly stocked either.

 

[el caliente]

Why? Shouldn't the government sit with them for a meeting the minds? Shouldn't we hear what they have to say?



There were no vaccines available when people were panic-buying toilet paper, and the toilet paper/paper towel shelves weren't exactly stocked either.

I agree that the government should have listened to the January 6th crowd, and I believe they did. I have no problem with the crowd that gathered and danced to Gloria. My problem is with the folks who stormed the Capitol. I have no problem when folks want to protest outside your home on the sidewalk, it’s when they enter your house that I have a problem.

I agree, we didn’t have a vaccine at the time, but thanks to President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed program we were able to get the vaccine out quicker than expected. Covid is still a concern, and the effectiveness of the vaccine is also in question, but nobody cared about the vaccine status of truckers anywhere along this chain until now. I don’t care which of these truckers are vaccinated (and which aren’t). This is as much of a concern for me today as it was in March 2020.

 

[SFIDC3]

Why? Shouldn't the government sit with them for a meeting the minds? Shouldn't we hear what they have to say?

Apparently that is what the court room is for?

 

[SystemShock]

q

I agree that the government should have listened to the January 6th crowd,

Agree with who? I was being facetious.
You really think nut jobs waiving confederate flags, who think Trump was sent by God, believe the election was stolen, believe Trump is still in charge of the military and is going to carry out public executions, JFK Jr is going to return, Democrats drink the blood of children, should be listened to?

and I believe they did. I have no problem with the crowd that gathered and danced to Gloria. My problem is with the folks who stormed the Capitol. I have no problem when folks want to protest outside your home on the sidewalk, it’s when they enter your house that I have a problem.

They don't have to enter your house to severely disrupt your life and livelihood.

I agree, we didn’t have a vaccine at the time, but thanks to President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed program we were able to get the vaccine out quicker than expected.

LOL

 

[el caliente]

q

Agree with who? I was being facetious.
You really think nut jobs waiving confederate flags, who think Trump was sent by God, believe the election was stolen, believe Trump is still in charge of the military and is going to carry out public executions, JFK Jr is going to return, Democrats drink the blood of children, should be listened to?

They don't have to enter your house to severely disrupt your life and livelihood.


LOL

Just to be clear, I’m fine with the folks who were at the rally dancing to Gloria, I have no love for the folks that stormed the Capitol.

I have no problem with giving those folks at the rally a voice in the public square, it’s the folks who went to storm the Capitol that I have no respect for.

If you wanted to proclaim your love for Juan Gabriel’s music, I would defend your right to that opinion (no matter how abominable it is). It’s once you storm my house and put that crap on blast that we have a problem.

 

[H B Lowrey]

You've been here a week and already got in trouble? Not a great sign.

Also, usually not a good idea to bring up moderation received. Just some friendly advice.

Yes, I know. Thanks, but I don't feel the need to placate anyone. If they're that sensitive then they'll never be anything but arbitrary about it.

 

[SystemShock]

I have no problem with giving those folks at the rally a voice in the public square, it’s the folks who went to storm the Capitol that I have no respect for.

But you have respect for people who block trade routes and negatively impact the rights and livelihoods of others, who spew the very same rhetoric than those who vandalized the Capitol, and want to hear what they have to say, even though it is the very same spiel we've heard from right-wing, CSA flag waving, anti-vaxxers.

If you wanted to proclaim your love for Juan Gabriel’s music, I would defend your right to that opinion (no matter how abominable it is). It’s once you storm my house and put that crap on blast that we have a problem.

Cute, but what you don't get, is that blocking trade routes is going into someone's house and putting that crap on blast.

 

[H B Lowrey]

But you have respect for people who block trade routes and negatively impact the rights and livelihoods of others, who spew the very same rhetoric than those who vandalized the Capitol, and want to hear what they have to say, even though it is the very same spiel we've heard from right-wing, CSA flag waving, anti-vaxxers.



Cute, but what you don't get, is that blocking trade routes is going into someone's house and putting that crap on blast.

So, at the end of the day, it's just a bunch of dickheads hissyfitting over who's "rights" have more weight and whose livelihoods matter. And they, the party you're conversing with, already knows that.

 

[el caliente]

But you have respect for people who block trade routes and negatively impact the rights and livelihoods of others, who spew the very same rhetoric than those who vandalized the Capitol, and want to hear what they have to say, even though it is the very same spiel we've heard from right-wing, CSA flag waving, anti-vaxxers.



Cute, but what you don't get, is that blocking trade routes is going into someone's house and putting that crap on blast.

We have some fundamental differences for sure. I feel that free speech, the right to peacefully protest, and hearing the opinions of others is part of living in this society. Just like the right to protest might not be convenient for everyone (from the protests by truckers, to BLM, to students and teachers).

It is what it is.

So, at the end of the day, it's just a bunch of dickheads hissyfitting over who's "rights" have more weight and whose livelihoods matter. And they, the party you're conversing with, already knows that.

If you didn’t feel that same way you wouldn’t be conversing on the topic and telling them to find a better cause.

 

[SystemShock]

We have some fundamental differences for sure. I feel that free speech, the right to peacefully protest, and hearing the opinions of others is part of living in this society. Just like the right to protest might not be convenient for everyone (from the protests by truckers, to BLM, to students and teachers).

Oh, yes, there are fundamental differences. You believe that the indefinite blocking trade routes and negatively affecting the lives and livelihoods of thousands because a bunch of CSA flag waving yahoos don't want to get vaccinated is "peaceful protest", I don't. I wouldn't compare getting a jab with getting a bullet, either.

 

[insidejob]

President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed program we were able to get the vaccine out quicker than expected

That's actually a total lie and always has been. They've been working on these mRNA vaccines since the first SARS outbreak in 2003. They've just been waiting for a SARS outbreak to use them on. COVID-19 was that outbreak.

So, thanks to the scientists at Baylor and everywhere else who've been working on these vaccines for the past 17 years before they were ready for emergency use. Without them working on it for so long, we'd still be unvaccinated and years away from being vaccinated.

 

[el caliente]

Oh, yes, there are fundamental differences. You believe that the indefinite blocking trade routes and negatively affecting the lives and livelihoods of thousands because a bunch of CSA flag waving yahoos don't want to get vaccinated is "peaceful protest", I don't. I wouldn't compare getting a jab with getting a bullet, either.

What is your hang up with the CSA flags? Were there a lot of them at any of these protests? I saw pictures of a few of them being waved (by cowards), but not to the point where I thought, “yeah, these are all a bunch of sons of the confederacy.” If you want to paint them all as CSA flag waving yahoos, don’t be upset when folks paint 2020 protesters as malotov cocktail chucking crazy people.

A bit of measure goes a long way.

At least we can agree to disagree.

That's actually a total lie and always has been. They've been working on these mRNA vaccines since the first SARS outbreak in 2003. They've just been waiting for a SARS outbreak to use them on. COVID-19 was that outbreak.

So, thanks to the scientists at Baylor and everywhere else who've been working on these vaccines for the past 17 years before they were ready for emergency use. Without them working on it for so long, we'd still be unvaccinated and years away from being vaccinated.

I’m not underselling the work of the scientists that put in the work to develop the vaccine. I’m also not going to undersell the efforts that the Trump administration put into bringing this all about so quickly. That’s probably one of the few things he did right, so it’s only right to give the Devil his due.

 

[SystemShock]

What is your hang up with the CSA flags?

What it stands for.

Were there a lot of them at any of these protests?

Yes, and in Canada. Also, 1/6.

I saw pictures of a few of them being waved (by cowards), but not to the point where I thought, “yeah, these are all a bunch of sons of the confederacy.” If you want to paint them all as CSA flag waving yahoos, don’t be upset when folks paint 2020 protesters as malotov cocktail chucking crazy people.

They aren't sons of the confederacy necessarily, but they certainly adhere to the ideology.

I’m also not going to undersell the efforts that the Trump administration put into bringing this all about so quickly.

And what effort was that?

 

[el caliente]

What it stands for.


Yes, and in Canada. Also, 1/6.

They aren't sons of the confederacy necessarily, but they certainly adhere to the ideology.



And what effort was that?

I agree with you that waving the CSA flag is deplorable, however the way you use it to describe the scenes of these protests you would think they were more prevalent than they were. They had no place there, but from what pictures show, it’s not like every person there was waving them around. Perhaps you have seen pictures where they were more prevalent?

This is as if, when describing BLM protests in Minnesota, you were to say buildings were being burnt down all over the place. A building or two may have been burnt down, but it’s not like the entire city was aflame.

What did you want Operation Warp speed to do that it didn’t? Was the roll out not quick enough? Did removing red tape not help? What else needed to be done in your opinion?