All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (5 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[insidejob]

Another conservative radio host who refused to take the vaccine bites the dust with Covid. His radio show was called "Real Science Radio". It's a kamic culling of the unvaccinated.

Conservative radio host who swore off Covid-19 vaccine dies after contracting virus, co-host says | CNN Business

Conservative radio host Pastor Robert “Bob” Enyart, who swore off Covid-19 vaccines, has died from complications due to the virus, his co-host announced on social media Monday.

www.cnn.com

Yes, I LOL'd at this post. You reap what you sow.

 

[Farb]

I am calling shenanigans on your doctor telling you not to get vaccinated. I know plenty of people who've had it and were told by their doctors to get vaccinated because the antibodies from catching it only last from 30-90 days max.

Cool.
Might want to read my posts though. It might make more sense to you.

 

[Farb]

Studies have shown that vaxed people are less contagious than people who have previously contracted Covid.

COVID vaccines slash viral spread – but Delta is an unknown

Studies show that vaccines reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by more than 80%, but the Delta variant is creating fresh uncertainty.

www.nature.com

If you are truly naturally immune, then you have nothing to worry about with agreeing to give up your right to an ICU bed. The reality is you are more at risk than those that get vaccinated. Paying your taxes doesn't give you more rights than a person who also pays their taxes and takes proper precautions. Yes, anyone can get sick despite taking precautions, but the likelihood is far lower. People who are not taking precautions are ruining it for everyone else. You're indirectly causing multitudes of deaths, not only by taking up ICUs, but by contributing disproportionately to the spread of the disease. It is irresponsible.

Do we know who I am killing? Can I make a list?

So your saying those that are vaxed don't spread it as much as the unvaxed. I think you are right. That has shown to be correct. Again, all the dolts lumping anyone that has not had the Fauci ouchy as the same. You people love labels and putting people in boxes.

Now, since I am killing people everywhere and being irresponsible, can you show me where those with natural immunity spread as much as an unvaxed person? Show me the receipts of what you typed otherwise, that is a big pile of virtue signaling.

If you vaxed, you won't need an ICU bed for covid either so you will give up this make believe bed too?

 

[Goatman saint]

What I’m interested to see in that data is are the elderly dying from Covid or with Covid. There is a huge difference. If they are having serious comorbidities, then get Covid, even a mild case is it the straw breaking the camels back. Far different than having a major breakthrough and dying of it. It’s a nuanced point I admit, but one that is vitally important. Use someone like my father in law. Diabetic and overwieght. Let’s say he gets Covid and dies, it’s going to be on Covid as the rest of his health is decent overall. But someone like my coworkers dad who had fought cancer for 6 years and is short a lung and gets Covid, not going to take much to knock him out. A mild case would undoubtedly be enough.

 

[JRad]

Do we know who I am killing? Can I make a list?

Well, that’s kinda the point. You don’t know.

 

[MT15]

Either way I would think the standard used would be: would that person have died that day if they didn’t have Covid? If not, then the Covid killed him/them.

 

[MT15]

Since Farb has immunity from getting Covid (twice!) I don’t think it’s any more likely that he is spreading it around than any vaccinated person.

I do think he should get vaccinated to give himself the extra boost of immunity, though. But it’s not like he doesnt have immunity at all.

 

[MT15]

Death of Hillsborough GOP member from COVID-19 causes financial problems for party

The local Republican Party told federal election regulators it can no longer access its campaign finance software

www.tampabay.com

 

[Lapaz]

Do we know who I am killing? Can I make a list?

So your saying those that are vaxed don't spread it as much as the unvaxed. I think you are right. That has shown to be correct. Again, all the dolts lumping anyone that has not had the Fauci ouchy as the same. You people love labels and putting people in boxes.

Now, since I am killing people everywhere and being irresponsible, can you show me where those with natural immunity spread as much as an unvaxed person? Show me the receipts of what you typed otherwise, that is a big pile of virtue signaling.

If you vaxed, you won't need an ICU bed for covid either so you will give up this make believe bed too?

This is a strange and incoherent post. You start by saying that you agree that vaccinated people spread Covid less than people that have been previously infected, and then ask for proof. Then you reference the Fauci ouchy and labels. Those people that got the Fauci ouchy are the people you just agreed don't spread Covid as much. Then you ask for names. Well, I never said you killed anyone directly, but the population of unvaccinated people (whether previously infected or never infected) are indirectly killing thousands of people by contributing the most to the spread of the disease. Then you ask again for proof, but I had already provided an article with links to studies that show that people that were previously infected spread Covid more than people that have been vaccinated. Then you talk about virtue signaling, but you would know that that's nonsense if you have read my posts on an assortment of topics. I'm not trying to virtue signal, but I am trying to be a good citizen. I read the evidence and I know a good citizen wants to do his part to reduce the spread. You can call that virtuous, but I'm not signaling virtue. Besides, people in your camp consider it a virtue not to get vaccinated, since that is what the science shows is best. People in your camp consider being anti-science a virtue.

Since Farb has immunity from getting Covid (twice!) I don’t think it’s any more likely that he is spreading it around than any vaccinated person.

I do think he should get vaccinated to give himself the extra boost of immunity, though. But it’s not like he doesnt have immunity at all.

I didn't know Farb had gotten Covid twice, and I'm not sure if there is evidence that has evaluated the immunity of people that have gotten it twice, since that population is probably small, but there have been studies of people that have had it once, and they still spread it faster than vaccinated people. I certainly don't think there is evidence to support his case that double infected people are just as good as vaccinated people, so the prudent act is to get vaccinated, cause there is plenty of evidence to show its benefits, even after having been previously infected. Doing anything else is just playing Russian Roulette.

 

[MT15]

 

[wardorican]

I also have a question, why is there this war on the unvaxed? Do we really think the virus would have gone away if everyone was vaxed and wore masks all the time? That cannot be the case because fully vaxxed are having break through cases right now.

Gone away? No. Maybe sort of in the US, or at least so low, it wouldn't be an issue. You're combining two things. Vaccine's, yes, they don't prevent infections 100%, but they do make it harder. So, local epidemics would be much less likely.

Mask usage? Oh, hell Yes. Areas, or companies that have mandatory mask usage, or high levels of compliance usually have little to no spread. Community spread is really something you can't track well, because even if a city has like 70% vaccinated, and 70-80% wearing masks, that 20-30% is still a huge number of people. So, there's enough people to make things spread. it's similar to measles outbreaks in certain neighborhoods that have 10-50 anti vaxxer families all living near each other.

My company has been pretty strict about mask usage, then relaxed it to only unvaccinated people, then we're sort of back to the old rules, but they did sort of ease up if you're at your desk and far apart (honestly, that doesn't help a lot). But, they don't want people walking around unmasked in public areas, or at someone else's desk. We've had a few get covid, but none at work, and no spread at work.

My wife, has been directly in contact with 2 or 3 different people who ended up having covid at her work places, but everyone is masked, and she's always in her mask inside, especially after the first 'scare'. She hasn't caught it, and there was no office spread either.

Everyone I personally know who was gotten sick with covid was either unvaccinated, or their spouse caught it (usually unvaccinated), and then they eventually caught it from taking care of them, or well, not really quarantining from their spouse / child. One coworker, his wife caught it, wasn't vaccinated, and because of real medical concerns.. well, he caught it too, but was asymptomatic. He only tested, because our work wanted him to test negative before returning, just in case. You'd have never known he was sick. His wife, though, rough for like 3 weeks.

If you want to get the jab, awesome, go for it but for those that don't, regardless of their personal reasons are seen as 'anti science' or whatever. Why lump everyone together? Is it just easier?

I do agree that not everyone who isn't getting the vaccine isn't anti vax. Some are just sort of dumb, easily mislead, or oddly stubborn. Maybe it's a macho thing for some. A lot of fake bravado out of people, until Covid comes knocking on their door, then they tuck tail and generally act like a normal person would. But quite a few are anti vax or easily mislead. Those are the two camps I see the most. Oh, I did forget, that like 0.1% have real medical issues and either wanted to get cleared by their doctor, or their doctor didn't recommend they get it, for a real medical reason. Those people, I'm 100% behind.

I don't even want to say this part, but isn't it a bit disingenuous for you to complain about anyone lumping people into single groups? Seriously, let's search posts by Farb that say "the left" or "libs" or whatever else. Do you do that because it's easier than having a rational, nuanced, opinion?

 

[Devildog]

Sorry for mild thread jack, but I just saw this and it illustrates the tribal nature in the wild perfectly:



I noticed the way he initially claimed he had to cut him off because he was “out of time” and then after he was cut off he ranted for a good 30-40 seconds further. Guess he wasn’t out of time at all really.

Wait....the founder of Team America? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[zztop]

"This temporary restraining order is just the first step in restoring order to our great state and ending this disruption from rogue local officials."

Texas school district that included masks in dress code hit with restraining order

The Paris Independent School District in Texas has been hit with a temporary restraining order for adding masks to its dress code.

abcnews.go.com

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I had fajitas for dinner last weekend. They weren't bad, but I did have a stomach ache afterward. If I can push through that, she can push through this. With all of her complaining, she must be a whiny snowflake.

 

[insidejob]

Cool.
Might want to read my posts though. It might make more sense to you.

Read your posts. Still calling shenanigans.

 

[Farb]

This is a strange and incoherent post. You start by saying that you agree that vaccinated people spread Covid less than people that have been previously infected, and then ask for proof. Then you reference the Fauci ouchy and labels. Those people that got the Fauci ouchy are the people you just agreed don't spread Covid as much. Then you ask for names. Well, I never said you killed anyone directly, but the population of unvaccinated people (whether previously infected or never infected) are indirectly killing thousands of people by contributing the most to the spread of the disease. Then you ask again for proof, but I had already provided an article with links to studies that show that people that were previously infected spread Covid more than people that have been vaccinated. Then you talk about virtue signaling, but you would know that that's nonsense if you have read my posts on an assortment of topics. I'm not trying to virtue signal, but I am trying to be a good citizen. I read the evidence and I know a good citizen wants to do his part to reduce the spread. You can call that virtuous, but I'm not signaling virtue. Besides, people in your camp consider it a virtue not to get vaccinated, since that is what the science shows is best. People in your camp consider being anti-science a virtue.


I didn't know Farb had gotten Covid twice, and I'm not sure if there is evidence that has evaluated the immunity of people that have gotten it twice, since that population is probably small, but there have been studies of people that have had it once, and they still spread it faster than vaccinated people. I certainly don't think there is evidence to support his case that double infected people are just as good as vaccinated people, so the prudent act is to get vaccinated, cause there is plenty of evidence to show its benefits, even after having been previously infected. Doing anything else is just playing Russian Roulette.

So your saying those that are vaxed don't spread it as much as the unvaxed. I think you are right. That has shown to be correct.

You might want to read and process next time.

Just so we are clear, when the ministry of truth comes to haul me away to a covid reeducation camp- I don't know if I had it twice. I was only tested once and that was positive. 2nd time, my kid had it and suddenly 3 weeks later I had antibodies where I didn't 6 months prior (2 months after my positive test.

Again, if you are vaccinated, what difference does it make if I am not?

 

[Farb]

Read your posts. Still calling shenanigans.

That my doctor told me not to get it or he tried to talk me into it but after the positive antibody test said he reluctantly gave up because of said test?

Which one are you calling shenanigans on, because only 1 option is right?

 

[Farb]

Gone away? No. Maybe sort of in the US, or at least so low, it wouldn't be an issue. You're combining two things. Vaccine's, yes, they don't prevent infections 100%, but they do make it harder. So, local epidemics would be much less likely.

Mask usage? Oh, hell Yes. Areas, or companies that have mandatory mask usage, or high levels of compliance usually have little to no spread. Community spread is really something you can't track well, because even if a city has like 70% vaccinated, and 70-80% wearing masks, that 20-30% is still a huge number of people. So, there's enough people to make things spread. it's similar to measles outbreaks in certain neighborhoods that have 10-50 anti vaxxer families all living near each other.

My company has been pretty strict about mask usage, then relaxed it to only unvaccinated people, then we're sort of back to the old rules, but they did sort of ease up if you're at your desk and far apart (honestly, that doesn't help a lot). But, they don't want people walking around unmasked in public areas, or at someone else's desk. We've had a few get covid, but none at work, and no spread at work.

My wife, has been directly in contact with 2 or 3 different people who ended up having covid at her work places, but everyone is masked, and she's always in her mask inside, especially after the first 'scare'. She hasn't caught it, and there was no office spread either.

Everyone I personally know who was gotten sick with covid was either unvaccinated, or their spouse caught it (usually unvaccinated), and then they eventually caught it from taking care of them, or well, not really quarantining from their spouse / child. One coworker, his wife caught it, wasn't vaccinated, and because of real medical concerns.. well, he caught it too, but was asymptomatic. He only tested, because our work wanted him to test negative before returning, just in case. You'd have never known he was sick. His wife, though, rough for like 3 weeks.


I do agree that not everyone who isn't getting the vaccine isn't anti vax. Some are just sort of dumb, easily mislead, or oddly stubborn. Maybe it's a macho thing for some. A lot of fake bravado out of people, until Covid comes knocking on their door, then they tuck tail and generally act like a normal person would. But quite a few are anti vax or easily mislead. Those are the two camps I see the most. Oh, I did forget, that like 0.1% have real medical issues and either wanted to get cleared by their doctor, or their doctor didn't recommend they get it, for a real medical reason. Those people, I'm 100% behind.

I don't even want to say this part, but isn't it a bit disingenuous for you to complain about anyone lumping people into single groups? Seriously, let's search posts by Farb that say "the left" or "libs" or whatever else. Do you do that because it's easier than having a rational, nuanced, opinion?

Fair question and you guys can ask me anything, I try to be honest at the very least (with heavy doses of snark admittedly.)

I usually do it because I am talking directly the 'left' or lefties. I am not aware of ever saying 'libs' as I used to consider myself a liberal (still consider myself a some what liberal - yes, I can't wait for the box checkers to start telling me what I 'really am'). Liberals are on a whole different field than the left. I never understood why, but I guess the enemy of my enemy and all that.

If I say 'lefty' and you want to respond, that is on you. I am talking to a specific set of people on this board and you and few others are not in that group to me. If I had to guess, I would guess most of those would be on the middle board.