All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (1 Viewer)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[The moose]

Hey then you have Fresno county out here that the governor shut bars, card tables, movie theaters, wineries unless they can be outside and the city commission and sheriff said nope. Not gonna enforce it. We are at 98% of capacity in the hospitals, between 300-500 cases a day and well we’ve flattened the curve. It’s going straight up. Crazy. Absolutely crazy.

Be safe man!

It seems like everyone is on their own now dealing with this.

I just don't get it. The limited money anyone can make right now is by far less than an extended hospital stay. I am working but not like mad line normal so I cut my exposure down. Every day is certainly a gamble for everyone important to me.

Be safe

 

[Taurus]

This President and his entire administration need to be on trial for treason.

We've reached reefer trucks as morgues, overwhelmed hospitals and mass graves territory and this vile Quisling is still spouting lies intended to kill as many of us as possible.
It's obscene.

 

[DaveXA]

This President and his entire administration need to be on trial for treason.

We've reached reefer trucks as morgues, overwhelmed hospitals and mass graves territory and this vile Quisling is still spouting lies intended to kill as many of us as possible.
It's obscene.

I wouldn't go that far, but definitely a dereliction of duty. We do have an election that can remedy that. But, by then the damage might irreversible.

The fall is gonna be a mess.

 

[Saintamaniac]

I wouldn't go that far, but definitely a dereliction of duty. We do have an election that can remedy that. But, by then the damage might irreversible.

The fall is gonna be a mess.

Yeah....that's the thing. I'm not a fan of waiting to see IF the damage is irreversible. I want to take every precaution to make sure that it isn't. With respect to putting this administration on trial.....yeah, I'm for that. In fact, I would love nothing more than for Biden to turn trump over to Iran to stand trial.

There were 10 total investigations into Benghazi, with 6 of them by the Republicans. I guaranty that if there are investigations into bounty gate, there will be real findings unlike the Benghazi hole in the ground for tax payer money.

 

[B4YOU]

Seems like a few months ago or so I was able to find stats showing the number of coronavirus hospitalizations compared to capacity. But I have searched and cannot find them now. Does anyone have a site that shows it - preferably by state or even county?

Edit - Found it: https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html

There isn’t good trend data. Even the CDC data we have only includes 10% of the population. So a trend line that counts NY but not FL, TX, AZ is NOT going to tell the real story.

CDC hospitalization trend data: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covid-net/purpose-methods.html

 

[DaveXA]

Yeah....that's the thing. I'm not a fan of waiting to see IF the damage is irreversible. I want to take every precaution to make sure that it isn't. With respect to putting this administration on trial.....yeah, I'm for that. In fact, I would love nothing more than for Biden to turn trump over to Iran to stand trial.

There were 10 total investigations into Benghazi, with 6 of them by the Republicans. I guaranty that if there are investigations into bounty gate, there will be real findings unlike the Benghazi hole in the ground for tax payer money.

We'll see. I'm not counting on it. I'd rather focus my energy on fighting the disease and deal with the other stuff later. We don't have a good track record of prosecuting former Presidents for pretty much anything. And don't see it starting here. As long as Trump goes out when his time is up, I suspect we'll move on by then.

All bets are off if he gets reelected though.

 

[The moose]

We'll see. I'm not counting on it. I'd rather focus my energy on fighting the disease and deal with the other stuff later. We don't have a good track record of prosecuting former Presidents for pretty much anything. And don't see it starting here. As long as Trump goes out when his time is up, I suspect we'll move on by then.

All bets are off if he gets reelected though.

Yeah I think the government won't have to do a thing.

He is still gonna stand trial on exactly what Cohn is in jail for

His tax records will come out eventually. He will have to answer for plenty of shady things that the presidency has completed shielded him from.

Yeah he might not go to jail might die first but the rest of his life will be in court and can't hide anymore.

That is good enough for me.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

This administration is really stuckon stupid with its decision. And it makes zero sense to place this in the State Department.

Trump administration moves ahead with plan to open new pandemic office as coronavirus crisis intensifies | CNN Politics

The Trump administration disbanded the National Security Council’s pandemic response office in 2018 – and now, on the defensive after a failed response to the coronavirus pandemic, they are planning to launch a similar office at the State Department.

www.cnn.com

 

[JimEverett]

Edit - Found it: https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html

There isn’t good trend data. Even the CDC data we have only includes 10% of the population. So a trend line that counts NY but not FL, TX, AZ is NOT going to tell the real story.

CDC hospitalization trend data: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covid-net/purpose-methods.html

Yeah, the Sunbelt states are what I want to see. Some are saying the infection rate is rising primarily due to young people contracting the disease and that a much smaller proportion of them will require hospitalization. Just wanting to track that to see if there is any truth to that.

 

[DaveXA]

Yeah, the Sunbelt states are what I want to see. Some are saying the infection rate is rising primarily due to young people contracting the disease and that a much smaller proportion of them will require hospitalization. Just wanting to track that to see if there is any truth to that.

I suspect there's some truth to that. And would partly explain why the fatality rate is fairly low. I'm not sure how long that will hold because with so many young people contracting the disease, sooner or later, the older folks are going to have to come out of hiding, and at that point, they'll be exposed. Meh. With an ounce of sense early on, we could have got this thing well under control, but since Trump has been making the decisions or lack therof, here we are.

 

[MT15]

Yeah, the Sunbelt states are what I want to see. Some are saying the infection rate is rising primarily due to young people contracting the disease and that a much smaller proportion of them will require hospitalization. Just wanting to track that to see if there is any truth to that.

I’ve been reading that hospitals in a couple of areas are pretty much at capacity, or at least their ICUs. Arizona and Houston are the ones I remember. There’s no doubt that most of the new cases are younger people, but younger people with pre existing conditions are still at increased risk, and younger people also have older relatives. There will be a lag, as deaths come later. I do have hope that doctors are learning how to control this thing and everything it does to the human body, but it’s not an easy treatment, and people who survive often have lasting health effects.

 

[Saintamaniac]

people who survive often have lasting health effects.

And this is the part that the young people who think they are invincible or the people who think it's just like the flu are overlooking. If you get this virus and survive, you are not necessarily out of the woods. There will be some problems down the line as a result of this virus long after a vaccine is found for it. Getting this virus will be the end of invincibility and the beginning of problems for the rest of their lives for a large segment of the young people. And if trump has his way, it will be a precondition that health insurance companies will not have to cover.

 

[The moose]

And this is the part that the young people who think they are invincible or the people who think it's just like the flu are overlooking. If you get this virus and survive, you are not necessarily out of the woods. There will be some problems down the line as a result of this virus long after a vaccine is found for it. Getting this virus will be the end of invincibility and the beginning of problems for the rest of their lives for a large segment of the young people. And if trump has his way, it will be a precondition that health insurance companies will not have to cover.

That is the truth.

A friend here in new Orleans had it and was never hospitalized. He is was a healthy guy no real problems. He still has problem with his lungs and endurance months later. He use to ride his bike a good bit get gassed quick now. Heck walking his dog was a problem right after he was considered recovered.

His lungs are damaged he carries a blood oxygen monitor with him. His numbers are coming up but man I don't want to go through what he still is going through.

 

[Maxp]

The hospitals in Pensacola are at ICU capacity and Covid hospitals are rising daily. Half the city still thinks it's a hoax by the Democrats.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

And this is the part that the young people who think they are invincible or the people who think it's just like the flu are overlooking. If you get this virus and survive, you are not necessarily out of the woods. There will be some problems down the line as a result of this virus long after a vaccine is found for it. Getting this virus will be the end of invincibility and the beginning of problems for the rest of their lives for a large segment of the young people. And if trump has his way, it will be a precondition that health insurance companies will not have to cover.

Exactly. This is what is affecting young kids as well. There are stories already of plenty dying from conditions after the virus is gone.

 

[Savage]

Sooo hydroxychloroquine might be effective? Seems promising according to the study.

Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug.

Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts | CNN

Hydroxychloroquine helped Covid-19 patients, a study in Detroit found.

edition.cnn.com

actual report: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

 

[TheRealTruth]

Sooo hydroxychloroquine might be effective? Seems promising according to the study.

Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts | CNN

Hydroxychloroquine helped Covid-19 patients, a study in Detroit found.

edition.cnn.com

actual report: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

Which are we supposed to believe, not just a few weeks ago CNN was running stories saying it was not effective at all, and even dangerous.

 

[Dragon]

As with all medicine there are reasons why results may differ. In this case they researchers specifically eliminated patients with known cardiac risk factors like obesity and prior heart issues from the study. They did so specifically because prior reseach had shown that those patients was in greater risk of having a negative outcome when treated with hydroxychloroquine 

"The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors," the team wrote.