All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[samiam5211]

Good lord, do you have any idea how many times women are exposed by what used to be called “flashers” in any old place? And how long it’s been going on? Trust me, this isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is.

Not to mention that the guy is a convicted sex offender, so obviously he managed to commit crimes before the whole trans bathroom talk.

I know his previous convictions were unrelated to trans, because @Farb would have already told us if they were.

 

[MT15]

Also, this post by @Farb is a good example of what I mean when I say he doesn’t really care a whit about women. Women and girls have been shown mens’ junk for decades that I know of. It was happening in my small town when I was a girl, some 60 years ago. I remember a scandal that happened to some girls roughly my age when a man in a car would call girls over to the car so he could expose himself. It’s still happening regularly.

Yet, Farb only brings up those examples that he can use to target trans people or in this case he is using someone pretending to be trans as an excuse to target actual trans people. Now, now it’s an outrage and these women must be protected. Give me a freaking break.

Also, women and girls are being groped regularly, which is actually sexual assault. It happened to me, it happened to my daughter, my sister-in-law, my niece. etc, etc. I would hazard a guess that the majority of women have been groped at one point without their consent, either as a woman or a girl. We don’t need protection from trans people. Seriously.

 

[SystemShock]

I am fairly certain, that societies that are not religious still identifiy human females as women and human males as men. No religion needed. This is has been the case in nature since the very very very beginning.
The need to tie opposition to the LGTB group narrative to religion is a left thing in order mobilize against religion.

There is no need to tie the opposition to LGBT to religion. The opposition to anything LGBT clearly and overwhelmingly comes from Abrahamic religions. Outside of places where Abrahamic religions dominate, there are prominent cultures/religions that recognize a "third sex", such as in India (hijras) and pre-Hispanic Mexico (muxes). The former have ties to Hinduism, the latter don't have any religious ties.

 

[SystemShock]

FYI, they use stalls in almost all women's bathrooms.

How about locker rooms?

 

[SystemShock]

You don't think LGTB+ persons are oppressed?

I don't believe that at all.

I believe you don't care and are purposely obtuse.

Don't you think "oppression" is too strong a word?

 

[Farb]

Good lord, do you have any idea how many times women are exposed by what used to be called “flashers” in any old place? And how long it’s been going on? Trust me, this isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is.

Is flashing illegal?

 

[Farb]

Also, this post by @Farb is a good example of what I mean when I say he doesn’t really care a whit about women. Women and girls have been shown mens’ junk for decades that I know of. It was happening in my small town when I was a girl, some 60 years ago. I remember a scandal that happened to some girls roughly my age when a man in a car would call girls over to the car so he could expose himself. It’s still happening regularly.

Yet, Farb only brings up those examples that he can use to target trans people or in this case he is using someone pretending to be trans as an excuse to target actual trans people. Now, now it’s an outrage and these women must be protected. Give me a freaking break.

Also, women and girls are being groped regularly, which is actually sexual assault. It happened to me, it happened to my daughter, my sister-in-law, my niece. etc, etc. I would hazard a guess that the majority of women have been groped at one point without their consent, either as a woman or a girl. We don’t need protection from trans people. Seriously.

Again, everything you described is illegal as it should be. Your logic is that since illegal things still happen, we should legalize everything?

 

[Farb]

I don't care what two people do in the privacy of their own home, but you and George Michael need to stop living in the 80s and get a Grindr account.

George Michael was born in 1990, so that is kind of gross.

 

[Farb]

There is no need to tie the opposition to LGBT to religion. The opposition to anything LGBT clearly and overwhelmingly comes from Abrahamic religions. Outside of places where Abrahamic religions dominate, there are prominent cultures/religions that recognize a "third sex", such as in India (hijras) and pre-Hispanic Mexico (muxes). The former have ties to Hinduism, the latter don't have any religious ties.

Were they considered a 3rd sex or a grouping of those that didn't fit into the Male and Female category? Whether that is biologically or characteristically?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

How about locker rooms?

In that rare case, I'm sure the ladies would get over a trans being present. After all most women have seen a penis don't you think?

 

[samiam5211]

Are people just walking around totally naked in locker rooms?

Maybe no one should just be walking around naked in public locker rooms. Or at least maybe people shouldn't have their kids in a locker room where adults are walking around naked regardless of gender.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Is flashing illegal?

Not in this case:

 

[SystemShock]

In that rare case, I'm sure the ladies would get over a trans being present. After all most women have seen a penis don't you think?

You really just posted "get over it, you seen one before"... LOL

 

[Optimus Prime]

When do we move from banning books to burning them?
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RIDGELAND, Miss. (AP) — The director of a Mississippi library system says a mayor is withholding $110,000 from his city’s library because LGBTQ books are on the shelves.

Tonja Johnson, executive director of the Madison County Library System, told news outlets that Ridgeland Mayor Gene McGee received citizen complaints about a handful of books that depicted members of the LGBTQ community.

“Funding for this year was being withheld until we removed what he called ‘homosexual material’ from the library,” Johnson told WAPT-TV. “His reasoning that he gave was that, as a Christian, he could not support that, and that he would not release funding until we remove the material.”

The move is part of a larger trend of conservatives across the country trying to limit the type of books that children are exposed to. A Pulitzer Prize-winning book about the Holocaust was recently banned by a Tennessee school district, while the Republican governors in South Carolina and Texas have called on superintendents to perform a systemic review of “inappropriate” materials in their states’ schools.

In a statement to news outlets, McGee didn’t expressly confirm that he wasn’t providing the funding over LGBTQ literature but said he believes some of the books are “inappropriate for children.”

“There is a minimum, sexual connotations are not appropriate for children when they enter the library,” the mayor said................

Mississippi mayor withholds library funds over LGBTQ books

 

[SystemShock]

Were they considered a 3rd sex or a grouping of those that didn't fit into the Male and Female category? Whether that is biologically or characteristically?

I've been labeled transphobic already, so I have nothing to lose

We are jumping from opposition/acceptance to biology/characteristics which, while there may be a correlation between them, they are not the same discussion.

Both hijras and muxes have long histories through their respective cultures. The following is extremely condensed and generalized but, hijras, if I am not mistaken, originally (ancient times) became hijras as a form of punishment (castration). Muxes, in Zapotec culture, were seen as a 3rd sex; obviously no one knew about chromosomes back then, and being defined a 3rd sex may just have been a language thing or the mentality at the time (no one really knows). Fast forward to the 21st century, if you look at the definitions, they both described as transgender. While hijras are castrated, muxes do not undergo any body mutilation or modification.

The attitudes in India towards hijras vary. In MX, it's funny - probably the wrong word, I am sure someone will let me know - and it doesn't make sense, but attitudes towards muxes are different from attitudes towards transgenders. If you are a muxe, you dress in typical Oaxacan garb and you are a vibrant part of our culture and we embrace you. If you are a "regular" transgender and dress in Western garb, not so much

There is a nuanced discussion to be had about biology and characteristics, and the new idea of what "gender" really is, but it's almost impossible to have. There are 2 camps firmly entrenched on either end, and nothing short of 100% compliance will suffice for either end. I should know I am either transphobic or a bleeding heart wokester, depending on which side I am discussing this topic with.

 

[coldseat]

How about locker rooms?

While this isn't "every" transgendered woman, I get the since that the overwhelming majority tend to be very discreet about and deemphasize their penis if they have one. They tend to be very self coconscious about their bodies and aren't just flinging it out there for all to see. Which means that in a locker room setting they will most likely be covered up and go to extra lengths to make sure nobody sees it.

That having been said, I don't think it's out of line to have modesty rules in locker rooms in general. But I don't think we need new laws for this.

Also, I often get the feeling that when people are picturing transgendered women, they're often thinking of Drag Queens. While Drag Queens can be transgendered, they are not the same thing.

 

[SystemShock]

While this isn't "every" transgendered woman, I get the since that the overwhelming majority tend to be very discreet about and deemphasize their penis if they have one. They tend to be very self coconscious about their bodies and aren't just flinging it out there for all to see. Which means that in a locker room setting they will most likely be covered up and go to extra lengths to make sure nobody sees it.

That having been said, I don't think it's out of line to have modesty rules in locker rooms in general. But I don't think we need new laws for this.

... and I agree, but the other response I got is gold.

 

[Port City JJ]

George Michael was born in 1990, so that is kind of gross.

You are mistaken.

Again.