All Things LGBTQ+ (11 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[bird]

I have seen a few online, and you are correct, I could careless how people want to act at a ceremony for a largely worthless yet expensive piece of paper.
One question, since you all want us, the tax payer to help subsides these with the college loan payoff/vote buying scheme, can I care then?

one last question
I have a feeling you would care very much if there was a push to have a white-only ceremony 'hosted' by a public university. Do you think you would care or still not be phased by it?

One last question? Doubtful.

 

[bird]

I have not claimed to be a victim. I can't be. I am not part of a protected class that the elites pretend to care about.

Sure you can. And you do.

 

[bird]

I have not claimed to be a victim. I can't be. I am not part of a protected class that the elites pretend to care about.

Sure you can. And you do.

 

[samiam5211]

I have seen a few online, and you are correct, I could careless how people want to act at a ceremony for a largely worthless yet expensive piece of paper.
One question, since you all want us, the tax payer to help subsides these with the college loan payoff/vote buying scheme, can I care then?

one last question
I have a feeling you would care very much if there was a push to have a white-only ceremony 'hosted' by a public university. Do you think you would care or still not be phased by it?

yep, i would complain about an all white graduation. I am a hypocrite.

You are already subsidizing them, so you can care about it as much as you want to care about it i guess.

It is interesting that you would choose this to care about enough to complain over more egregious examples of government waste. interesting indeed.

 

[Farb]

yep, i would complain about an all white graduation. I am a hypocrite.

You are already subsidizing them, so you can care about it as much as you want to care about it i guess.

It is interesting that you would choose this to care about enough to complain over more egregious examples of government waste. interesting indeed.

I do appreciate the honesty.

I would love to complain about government waste but this path is where the Lord has taken me in this discussion.

 

[Farb]

Sure you can. And you do.

Good to know. Thanks!
Why are you attacking me?

 

[Farb]

It is called a marriage license and is issued by the state. Once a couple has the license they are married. Any religious ceremony must be meaningless in the context of the state. It isn’t a matter of non-religious v religious. Religious people may have any ceremony that they wish. They may call themselves married in the eyes of God or in the eyes of the church. It must have no bearing on whether or not the state considers them married precisely because it would be a religious ceremony. The state must not infringe on the religious ceremony except in a very few instances and religion must not have any power to proclaim peoples married in the eyes of the state. Attempts to claim religious v non-religious are not simply meaningless, they are dangerous as they present a two-tier system showing preference for religion.

So what you are saying is that the government issue document is really just bookkeeping records for taxes and government purposes? That is what you are saying.
If a couple gets married in a religious ceremony only and no paperwork if filed to the state, are they not married and why not?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Thank you for sharing.

You're welcome. Just to be clear, my wife and I didn't have a religious ceremony and have exactly zero religious facets to our relationship. Are we married or in a civil union?

 

[samiam5211]

I do appreciate the honesty.

I would love to complain about government waste but this path is where the Lord has taken me in this discussion.

You seem more interested in the blacks and the gays than the Military industrial complex.

 

[bird]

Good to know. Thanks!
Why are you attacking me?

Facts aren’t attacks.

 

[bird]

So what you are saying is that the government issue document is really just bookkeeping records for taxes and government purposes? That is what you are saying.
If a couple gets married in a religious ceremony only and no paperwork if filed to the state, are they not married and why not?

Nope. They are not married. Religious ceremonies are irrelevant to the state. No piece of paper from the state, no marriage.

The government issued document also deals with concerns such as mental capacity to understand, marriage involving minor persons, healthcare and end of life considerations.

Btw, a religious only ceremony runs the risk of excluding partners who are not of a particular religion when medical care or end of life care issues arise.

No matter how you slice it using whatever micrometer you wish to measure the thickness of the slice a religious ceremony must not be allowed to wield the power of the state. Remove the power of the clergy. Then religion will be undefiled and can perform whatever ceremonies they wish regarding what they deem a marriage between two people who that particular religion/sect/church will permit to be married.

 

[coldseat]

legally no, religiously, it does but what good thing you all don't care about what us backwards religious people think, right?

I don't know what that's supposed to mean.

The religious ceremony can mean whatever it means to you. Why would or should my thoughts on a religious marriage ceremony matter to you?

Regardless of what it means to you, it has nothing to do with you being married legally in the eyes of the state. That's not really disputable. Why are you wasting so much time arguing this silly point? You seem unbelievably insecure about it for some odd reason.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Ouch. Man, you really get personal for a political board but I understand.

Kettle, meet the even blacker and apparently more sensitive pot.

I get a little peeved when people attack my religion too, so I do understand you being upset.

Said like someone who not only didn't read "their" post that I responded to, but probably didn't actually write it either.

"Your" post that I responded to had nothing to do with anyone's religion and neither did my response to your post, so where's with all this religion nonsense coming from, dude?

 

[LA - L.A.]

Who is "they"?

The CDC employee acknowledged that physicians have the authority to prescribe it for off label uses, including covid. This wasn't a change of policy or an acknowledgement of it being effective. I'm sure your sources of information told you it was though.

There have been quite a few peer reviewed studies at this point that show that ivermectin isn't any more effective at treating covid than ibuprofen.

No, but ivermectin is great at fighting brain eating, litter box worms.

 

[LA - L.A.]

My PCP ended up being a crackpot anti-vaxxer. She went to work for the doctor in Ohio that claimed vaccines made people magnetic. That doctor is in the process of losing her license.

As much as you fervently want to believe that there was censorship of idiot doctors you would be disappointed. There wasn’t. As for politics? EVERYTHING is political. Politics is as noted by Lasswell the process that decides who gets what, where, when, how and why. Oh, and the actual correct phrase is political economy.

Yeah, it amazes me that so many people don't understand this basic and simple concept. Politics is the agreement that we have with each other on how we are going to live and interact with each other. Every social interaction and every written and unwritten rule that governs those interactions is politics.

 

[LA - L.A.]

legally no, religiously, it does but what good thing you all don't care about what us backwards religious people think, right?

Speaking only for myself, I don't care what any backwards people of any kind think, because they're...well you know, backwards.

I highly value what forwards people think and that includes forwards religious people.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I have seen a few online, and you are correct, I could careless how people want to act at a ceremony for a largely worthless yet expensive piece of paper.

Sounds like you have education envy. And just because, you know, you're going to want to go there, I don't have a college degree, not even an Associate Degree.

College is not for everyone and it's not necessary for everyone, but a college degree absolutely has worth and meaning.

I have a feeling you would care very much if there was a push to have a white-only ceremony 'hosted' by a public university.

White-only participation, you bet I'd have a problem with that. The ceremony you hate celebrates black students specifically, but as has been pointed out to you, it is not black-only participation. Non black people who want to be a part of celebrating black students are welcomed to participate.

Seems like your real problem is that it dares to celebrate black students. What's wrong with celebrating black students if everyone is welcome to participate in the celebration?

I'm also white, male and heterosexual. I say that...you know...because reasons.

 

[brandon]

I have seen a few online, and you are correct, I could careless how people want to act at a ceremony for a largely worthless yet expensive piece of paper.
One question, since you all want us, the tax payer to help subsides these with the college loan payoff/vote buying scheme, can I care then?

one last question
I have a feeling you would care very much if there was a push to have a white-only ceremony 'hosted' by a public university. Do you think you would care or still not be phased by it?

So your entire argument boils down to “Why don’t we have White Entertainment Television and/or White History Month?”