All Things LGBTQ+ (8 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Incumbent]

Insurance provided through Cigna to City of Houston employees provides transgender care, including the following benefits:

Health plan coverage: Your health plan provides coverage for medically necessary treatment, which may include:1
› Gender-affirmingsurgery2
› Hormonetherapy
› Requiredlabtesting
› Behavioralcounseling
› Routinemedicalcare

https://www.houstontx.gov/hr/hrfiles/benefits/flyer_transgender_cust_wo_eap.pdf

 

[coldseat]

Maybe your truth is different than someone else’s.

It's not my truth, it's the truth. And there's plenty of objective evidence to back it up.

Who is an outsider to tell someone within how they should feel? I’m certainly not trying to tell you how to live or feel, though during one of the events I volunteered at I had the opportunity to work with several members of the LGB community, and I’m not sure it’s because they had conservative leanings, or if they are bigots, but a few of them took issue with Ts, and how they are forcing their acceptance of (his words) a mental disorder.

A few others that were at our table objected to Ts having a mental disorder, but they certainly didn’t feel like their fight has been as long standing as those fought by the LG community.

It was an interesting conversation to listen to. I was just a fly on the wall as I had nothing of value to offer, nor had I walked a mile in their shoes.

So the people you where speaking with removed the B too? I'd call them fools to their faces and tell them they don't live on an island, but that's me. And if they're talking about T's forcing "their acceptance", they're definitely bigots by whatever name you want to call them. What do they think the whole LGBT movement/PRIDE was? It was forcing "our acceptance" on the rest of society who shunned and discriminated against us. It was a movement that largely started with T's at Stonewall.

Let me guess these same people don't like PRIDE or the rainbow flag.

Damn if I don't know a lot of Hispanic and Latin people exactly like that.

 

[el caliente]

Where is the city of Dallas located?

City of Dallas protocols for handling gender transition require city employees to use preferred pronouns on threat of punishment regardless of personal belief

A City of Dallas “gender transition” toolkit requires public employees to use a transitioning person’s preferred pronouns regardless of personal beliefs.

dallasexpress.com

I thought HQ was in Seattle, WA.

Amazon Corporate Headquarters | Amazon Maps and Buildings

Info, map and directions for Amazon Corporate Headquarters

campusbuilding.com

 

[Incumbent]

I thought HQ was in Seattle, WA.

Amazon Corporate Headquarters | Amazon Maps and Buildings

Info, map and directions for Amazon Corporate Headquarters

campusbuilding.com

It is, and I believe you already knew that without asking. And HQ2 is in Arlington.

Was your point not that those are located on the coasts, consistent with other comments you've made, or was it something else?

I'm pointing out that even in Texas, there is acceptance and protections for members of the transgender community, including examples of pronoun recognition and healthcare.

Here is an ordinance from Chicago, another city you mentioned earlier.

https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/cchr/AdjSupportingInfo/AdjFORMS/2016AdjForms/2016FAQGenderIdentityAmendment.pdf

Point is, this isn't relegated to the coasts.

 

[el caliente]

It's not my truth, it's the truth. And there's plenty of objective evidence to back it up.



So the people you where speaking with removed the B too? I'd call them fools to their faces and tell them they don't live on an island, but that's me. And if they're talking about T's forcing "their acceptance", they're definitely bigots by whatever name you want to call them. What do they think the whole LGBT movement/PRIDE was? It was forcing "our acceptance" on the rest of society who shunned and discriminated against us. It was a movement that largely started with T's at Stonewall.

Let me guess these same people don't like PRIDE or the rainbow flag.

Damn if I don't know a lot of Hispanic and Latin people exactly like that.

I’m not sure what their feelings on Bs were (or perhaps they shared those feelings, and I missed it). It was certainly an interesting conversation as prior to it I had been under the impression that the LGBTQ community had no problems being lumped together (which is what I believe you are saying), now I am aware that not all of them feel that way.

Once again, their truth (pertaining to the situation) is not the same as your’s. And it’s interesting hearing and reading both sides.

 

[el caliente]

It is, and I believe you already knew that without asking. And HQ2 is in Arlington.

Was your point not that those are located on the coasts, consistent with other comments you've made, or was it something else?

I'm pointing out that even in Texas, there is acceptance and protections for members of the transgender community, including examples of pronoun recognition and healthcare.

Here is an ordinance from Chicago, another city you mentioned earlier.

https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/cchr/AdjSupportingInfo/AdjFORMS/2016AdjForms/2016FAQGenderIdentityAmendment.pdf

Point is, this isn't relegated to the coasts.

I am not sure what the point of saying Amazon’s HQ is in Arlington, when corporate decisions are made out of its main campus is in WA.

I have no problem with corporations forcing their employees to use pronouns, much like I don’t care if they force their employees to observe some requirement that has been forced on them by a conservative based principle. Folks can leave their jobs if they don’t agree with what is being required of them to do.

I don’t think Amazon or cities like Chicago or Arlington are a real sample of the real world’s business practices, or are they?

 

[coldseat]

I’m not sure what their feelings on Bs were (or perhaps they shared those feelings, and I missed it). It was certainly an interesting conversation as prior to I had been under the impression that the LGBTQ community had no problems being lumped together, now I am aware that not all of them feel that way.

Once again, their truth (pertaining to the situation) is not the same as your’s. And it’s interesting hearing and reading both sides.

There are black Republicans and Hispanic white nationalist, so nothing is really surprising. The only thing I really find interesting (and disheartening) about it is how some people can ignore part of their (i.e. peoples, race, group's) history to their own eventual determent and attack the very people that fought for the freedoms they have today. Talk about short sightedness.

 

[Incumbent]

I am not sure what the point of saying Amazon’s HQ is in Arlington, when its main campus is in WA.

I have no concerns with them forcing the use of pronouns on their employees, that’s not my fight or concern. My clients aren’t Amazon or the City of Houston. My clients are individuals who will move money in or out of a financial institution based on corporate leanings.

I lost you, that's okay.

When told about Amazon's pronoun policy, you responded:

"Cool for Amazon. Where are they head quartered?"

Now I think you actually knew they are headquartered in Seattle but please correct me if you didn't at the time of that response.

So then assuming you already knew it was in Seattle, what was behind asking where Amazon is headquartered? My interpretation is that you were subtly making a point that it was in Seattle, a blue coastal city.

I concurred with your follow up post that Amazon is headquartered in Seattle, and added that their other headquarters is in Arlington, a city on the other coast.

From there, I was pointing out examples of transgender affirming policies and provisions in cities between the coasts, something you had questioned earlier.

I understand that you are in a business, serving clientele, operating under a different culture, and acknowledged in a much earlier post about the existence of issues in varying settings.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is so much crap. Where do you think trans adults come from? Do you think they just appear out of thin air? No, they grow up a as children as well. Usually children who are bullied and accosted by straight (or gay/straight acting) adults and kids because they are different. All trans adults want is for kids who are trans to grow up in a safe environment without the same harassment, vitriol and discrimination that they had to deal with as children. You aren't protecting children with this backwards mentality, you're hurting trans kids and teaching straight and gay/straight acting children that it's okay to discriminate and bully against kids who are different.

You also give license to hateful and suspicious adults to question and harass girls in sports by forcing them to prove their gender (through physical examination and medical history) whenever their physique doesn't compart with their twisted expectations. So you have that feather in you cap as well.

 

[Incumbent]

There are black Republicans and Hispanic white nationalist, so nothing is really surprising. The only thing I really find interesting (and disheartening) about it is how some people can ignore part of their (i.e. peoples, race, group's) history to their own eventual determent and attack the very people that fought for the freedoms they have today. Talk about short sightedness.

I know of a guy who is openly gay and a very avid Trump supporter and far right adherent. He and his husband own a business in a major metro area and he's originally from a small, very conservative, town. I can easily imagine what he grew up around because I have family from that area. No group is monolithic and he's obviously free to believe as he wishes, but he's aligned with people who pose a very real threat to the life he lives. I certainly don't think anybody should rest easy that marriage equality is settled law at this point, or that it can't get worse from there.

 

[coldseat]

I know of a guy who is openly gay and a very avid Trump supporter and far right adherent. He and his husband own a business in a major metro area and he's originally from a small, very conservative, town. I can easily imagine what he grew up around because I have family from that area. No group is monolithic and he's obviously free to believe as he wishes, but he's aligned with people who pose a very real threat to the life he lives. I certainly don't think anybody should rest easy that marriage equality is settled law at this point, or that it can't get worse from there.

I know of people like that too, especially here in Texas. I don't get it either. I've tried having online conversation with people like that and it's the same as interacting with any other Trump supporter, a whole bunch of scrambled lies, misinformation and conspiracies. There's just a significant group of people in this country that have damaged brains, is all I can come up with.

 

[el caliente]

Perhaps these cases of people voting against their best interests (whatever we on the outside perceive those to be) is more a testament to how bad things are with our electoral process than we care to believe.

What would draw people to vote against their best interests other than the other options having some problems of their own?

I am really enjoying this conversation btw.

 

[bird]

Perhaps these cases of people voting against their best interests (whatever we on the outside perceive those to be) is more a testament to how bad things are with our electoral process than we care to believe.

What would draw people to vote against their best interests other than the other options having some problems of their own?

I am really enjoying this conversation btw.

The problem lies in the following manner:

Define “best interests”
agitprop use of “the other”
humans are not rational

 

[el caliente]

The problem lies in the following manner:


humans are not rational

Following the last few election cycles (both local and National), you will get no arguments from me on that statement.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Perhaps these cases of people voting against their best interests (whatever we on the outside perceive those to be) is more a testament to how bad things are with our electoral process than we care to believe.

What would draw people to vote against their best interests other than the other options having some problems of their own?

I am really enjoying this conversation btw.

I know plenty of people who live off the govt tit that are avid Republican supporters and backup the cut as much gov't assistance as possible line, and actually repeat it because in their mind, theirs is deserved while the "welfare queens" don't.

Look at owner of Rouses, he's gay and he was at the Capitol in Jan 6th, supporting the ones who wouldn't lose any sleep if being gay was a death penalty.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Demi Lovato reveals why she changed pronouns again

The musician announced last year they would be using both gender-neutral and she/her pronouns

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

I think that sometimes people vote for politicians who either don’t like their demographic, or will actively work to hurt them, due to fear and identity politics. They want to identify with the group in power, not the group they actually belong to. This works for economic status more so than race, I think. Even though their economic situation isn’t great, they don’t want other people getting ahead, because they are the deserving ones. Just basically musing on this.

The rage that people feel when they think someone else is getting preferential treatment is a powerful thing. It doesn’t have to be true, just perceived.

 

[LA - L.A.]

i don't know why people are so butt hurt over pronouns. sure, its no ones fault if you call someone by something other than what they prefer if you don't know. but the biggest problem is if someone wants to be called something else, why do some just freak out and go nuclear. Hell, i work with people with crazy nicknames and none has a problem calling them by that. Just to name a few: Monkey, Dookey, Bother in Law, Burnt Bread, Birdman. I know them by no other name. If something happened and i had to identify any of them, i could not give their real names.

Let's look at the dynamic at play:

• Person A: I consider myself to be X, so I want to be referred to as X.
• Person B: You are wrong. You are not X, so I refuse to refer to you as X.

Person A is asking for the right to self-determination through self-identification.

Person B is refusing to respect a person's right to self-determination through self-identificaion.

Person A is acting to be respectfully allowed to be different.

Person B is insisting that other people conform to Person B's identification of them.

Person B has an authoritarian and oppressive mindset. That mindset has no place in free and open society of equals. especially when it comes to policy making and legal code.