100 Marines to Baghdad (Iran conflict discussion)(Reopened & Merged) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

We’re gonna try to stay on point in this one - .

After the Iranian admission of shooting down the Ukrainian 737, which was carrying 82 Iranian passengers, protests against the Supreme Leader have broken out.

The UK ambassador to Iran has been arrested for talking photos of the protests. President Trump has tweeted support for the protesters in English and Farsi.

 

[Joe Okc]

Yep. We all need to do a better job at staying on point with these content specific threads.

Breaking down to the base of insults back and forth just doesn’t get us anywhere - no matter how convinced you are that you’re right.

As long as they can get away with it without fear of infractions it will continue.

 

[First Time Poster]

I prefer to look at it as growing pains. This board is not meant for anything remotely resembling a situation where one can expect to be called a racist every time you log in.

Most of us can and will do better. It just takes a little more effort, and perhaps a judicious use of the ignore feature. If you really think about it, there are only a couple of people who you know you need to put in that category. I think everyone else can get along if we try harder.

So, before you start to lecture anyone about poor posting behavior, counciling others on elevating discourse and suggesting remedies to generate dialogue, I think it would be wise to take a step back and understand your role in how this thread went left and, first, start holding yourself accountable to that standard.

Taylor made a very coherent, cogent post (#661) about how he felt this Administration's reputation for lying is problematic and how it affects how he sees their explanations for foreign policy motives and objectives. To which you replied:

Well, just tune in to MSNBC. Rachel Maddow wouldn't ever lie to you.

A snide, partisan jab. That post isn't elevated discussion. Truthfully, this garbage, got the ball rolling down this precipitous path to begin with. Your post. Now, Taylor handled this trash masterfully. They didn't put you on ignore. Or say this:

forks sake you serious? Tucker? Take a long shower afterwards

Which, NOB is wrong for responding like that. Because that doesn't elevate discussion either. Taylor engaged you, asked for a suggestion and kindly vowed, in good faith, to consider your source. That's elevating discussion. That's the MCB. Turning your snide remark around and encouraging you to be better, more productive. Not meeting snark with snark and keeping us in the gutter.

As for this:

Seems that it is acceptable to call people racist around here doesn't? They call call us Racist without reprocussions, but if we called them the "N" word we'd get an infraction.

Let's make something abundantly clear. I can't believe I have to make the point. There are levels to insults. In no way shape or form, is being called racist, anywhere close, in the same universe, as deliberately attempting to insult someone by calling them the N word. Like. What. The. Actual. fork. And who is this "they." How did this escape your mind as an acceptable thought? Joe, if you seriously think there is any equivocation to being called racist, to being called (I'm sorry mods, I have to trip the filter to make the point, please understand the context) "brother"...like, I'm still in disbelief you would say that. I should not have to explain that to anyone, at all.

As long as they can get away with it without fear of infractions it will continue.

Some advice? Practice what you preach. You had no issue, earlier in this same thread, lobbing insults and accusations, saying posters were supporting Iran, but the suggestion that one may be racist is horrific to you. Get off that soapbox bro and raise your posting game up too.

Chuck was right. NOB was wrong for packaging his retort inferring racism. NOB, BF and Joe all took this thread left. However, I will say this. I admire Taylor for considering Tucker but I, for one, have seen enough of Tucker's content to know that he peddles racist content. I, too, have serious reservations about anyone suggesting TC as a reliable source for political commentary.

That being said, the MCB deserves better. But, the persons pointing fingers need to reexamine their role in its detriment.

 

[V Chip]

Seems that it is acceptable to call people racist around here doesn't? They call call us Racist without reprocussions, but if we called them the "N" word we'd get an infraction.

Double standard around here just like the PDB was.

If you can tell me how, in any form, "racist" and "the N word" are remotely similar, I'd certainly love to hear that.

 

[TheRealTruth]

If you can tell me how, in any form, "racist" and "the N word" are remotely similar, I'd certainly love to hear that.

I think what he is saying is that there are no repercussions for levying accusations of somebody being racist just because they have a different viewpoint.

Using the N word is indeed vile, and it won't be tolerated and should never be tolerated.

But it seems a few here are using the word racist simply because they disagree with somebody's view point. Calling somebody racist is a pretty strong accusation and the way it is being done so cavalierly is quite troubling.

 

[V Chip]

I think what he is saying is that there are no repercussions for levying accusations of somebody being racist just because they have a different viewpoint.

Using the N word is indeed vile, and it won't be tolerated and should never be tolerated.

But it seems a few here are using the word racist simply because they disagree with somebody's view point. Calling somebody racist is a pretty strong accusation and the way it is being done so cavalierly is quite troubling.

I understand that (about the word "racist") -- I made a comment either earlier in this thread or another where I said I think it is used too much and that I think people can say racist things and not be racist themselves.

But the idea that the opposite word to "racist" is "the N word (TNW)" is just incredibly ridiculous. I can't think of any justification for calling someone TNW, but there are actually a good number of people who are racists. They're not remotely in the same ballpark.

 

[Soundwave]

Yep. We all need to do a better job at staying on point with these content specific threads.

Breaking down to the base of insults back and forth just doesn’t get us anywhere - no matter how convinced you are that you’re right.

Rinse , Repeat

 

[Joe Okc]

If you can tell me how, in any form, "racist" and "the N word" are remotely similar, I'd certainly love to hear that.

Just using that as a mere example, since I am safe to assume the word butt crevasse would be hit be the profanity filter.

Unlike others I apologize if I offended anyone.

But I log in and the first thing I see is a conservative being insulted and getting away with it as usual.

 

[V Chip]

I think what he is saying is that there are no repercussions for levying accusations of somebody being racist just because they have a different viewpoint.

As long as they can get away with it without fear of infractions it will continue.

As for this: just realize that the language that offends you two in this situation (someone being called a racist) might not offend others, and language that other people get offended by might be used by you two as you might not find it offensive. If the site mods/admins decide to infract things like calling someone else a racist, it might then also be turned to calling someone a "Trump-hater" or a snowflake, or calling another poster disrespectful or insulting, or saying someone is eating the cheese.

I realize many of these things should be left in the thoughts of the poster and not make their way into the actual post, but making the mods/admins responsible for policing our language when we should be doing it ourselves is just making their lives harder and asking for a lot of potential unforeseen consequences.

 

[Beach Friends]

So, before you start to lecture anyone about poor posting behavior, counciling others on elevating discourse and suggesting remedies to generate dialogue, I think it would be wise to take a step back and understand your role in how this thread went left and, first, start holding yourself accountable to that standard.

Taylor made a very coherent, cogent post (#661) about how he felt this Administration's reputation for lying is problematic and how it affects how he sees their explanations for foreign policy motives and objectives. To which you replied:



A snide, partisan jab. That post isn't elevated discussion. Truthfully, this garbage, got the ball rolling down this precipitous path to begin with. Your post. Now, Taylor handled this trash masterfully. They didn't put you on ignore. Or say this:



Which, NOB is wrong for responding like that. Because that doesn't elevate discussion either. Taylor engaged you, asked for a suggestion and kindly vowed, in good faith, to consider your source. That's elevating discussion. That's the MCB. Turning your snide remark around and encouraging you to be better, more productive. Not meeting snark with snark and keeping us in the gutter.

As for this:



Let's make something abundantly clear. I can't believe I have to make the point. There are levels to insults. In no way shape or form, is being called racist, anywhere close, in the same universe, as deliberately attempting to insult someone by calling them the N word. Like. What. The. Actual. fork. And who is this "they." How did this escape your mind as an acceptable thought? Joe, if you seriously think there is any equivocation to being called racist, to being called (I'm sorry mods, I have to trip the filter to make the point, please understand the context) "brother"...like, I'm still in disbelief you would say that. I should not have to explain that to anyone, at all.



Some advice? Practice what you preach. You had no issue, earlier in this same thread, lobbing insults and accusations, saying posters were supporting Iran, but the suggestion that one may be racist is horrific to you. Get off that soapbox bro and raise your posting game up to.

Chuck was right. NOB was wrong for packaging his retort inferring racism. NOB, BF and Joe all took this thread left. However, I will say this. I admire Taylor for considering Tucker but I, for one, have seen enough of Tucker's content to know that he peddles racist content. I, too, have serious reservations about anyone suggesting TC as a reliable source for political commentary.

That being said, the MCB deserves better. But, the persons pointing fingers need to reexamine their role in its detriment.

I don't know what to tell you, other that in this case when I repeatedly used the word "we" in terms of trying harder I was including myself.

Having said that - I think it is painfully obvious that this forum will not succeed as long as the same two posters feel that they can slander people by calling people "racists." That's just common sense and the sooner it stops the better it will be for everyone.

 

[Farb]

How about everyone agrees to not use Trump Derangement Syndrome and Racist in regards to other posters?
I know we (conservative board members) have been asked to not use TDS because it adds nothing to the debate or conversation and often derails thread. I think this thread is ample proof that calling another poster 'racist' in an off handed way does the same thing.

 

[V Chip]

How about everyone agrees to not use Trump Derangement Syndrome and Racist in regards to other posters?
I know we (conservative board members) have been asked to not use TDS because it adds nothing to the debate or conversation and often derails thread. I think this thread is ample proof that calling another poster 'racist' in an off handed way does the same thing.

How about one better: agree to not use words that attempt to generalize and dismiss another poster's opinion -- "Trump hater" "snowflake" "racist" "deranged" "sheep" etc. etc.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

How about one better: agree to not use words that attempt to generalize and dismiss another poster's opinion -- "Trump hater" "snowflake" "racist" "deranged" "sheep" etc. etc.

I think this is the best thing to do, try to use language that encourages discussion rather than shut it down. We have respective "echo chambers" to vent as much as we want, this page should not be about that.

 

[Farb]

I like it. The only issue I can see would be 'trump supporter' and 'trump hater'. Not all conservatives are 'trump supporters' and not all liberals are 'trump haters'. I fall into this too, so no one take this as me preaching or lecturing. I am by far just as guilty as anyone on here.

I also feel like all of this will be out the window once the new news cycle kicks up this weekend and everyone gets passionate about whatever side they are presented by the media. I hope not though.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Actually, I feel pretty good about the way things are going. I believe we have turned the corner on the woke/cancel culture. For the most part, people see how foolish and counter productive it was. Sure, there are some, like yourself, who will desperately cling to that bankrupt phenomenon of the 2010's. But that's not all bad - everytime you gratuitously shriek, 'RACIST," it serves as a reminder of how things can spiral out of control. Besides, we have to someone to laugh at.

All of this content could be more effectively packaged without calling other members racist.

The above post received an upvote from you, and was the lead in to my response about how racism has not really won the day and how Beach has thrown his lot in with that crowd, but may or may not be racist himself.


I would be interested in an explanation for why inferring I am some shrieking SJW and rubbing my nose in that straw man evoked a thumbs up from you and then you decided to come and tone police me for a sentence I poorly punctuated, but attempted to correct?

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I understand that (about the word "racist") -- I made a comment either earlier in this thread or another where I said I think it is used too much and that I think people can say racist things and not be racist themselves.

But the idea that the opposite word to "racist" is "the N word (TNW)" is just incredibly ridiculous. I can't think of any justification for calling someone TNW, but there are actually a good number of people who are racists. They're not remotely in the same ballpark.

Too much?

We are currently on page three talking about whether my poorly punctuated sentence equals calling someone racist and just how bad a crime that should be. While on page zero in terms of talking about the problem of promoting a racist and his propaganda while lobbing insults at me and his idol’s ire, which are the civil activists pushing back against them.

There is something pretty rotten to me when the ascribing of racism to people exhibiting those traits is far more concerning and policed than those exhibiting those traits. That there is more sensitivity to people being called racist than dehumanizing the civil activists fighting them.

 

[dtc]

Seems that it is acceptable to call people racist around here doesn't? They call call us Racist without reprocussions, but if we called them the "N" word we'd get an infraction.

Double standard around here just like the PDB was.

Joe, I'm offended by the lack of honesty in this post.

Nobody has called you a racist yet you just said "they call us racist without repercussions..."

By "they" you mean me and the rest of anyone around here who disagrees with Trump's policies and race baiting.

It's offensive. It's beneath the dignity I thought we were obliged to here and it's untrue.

 

[Farb]

I would be interested in an explanation for why inferring I am some shrieking SJW

That there is more sensitivity to people being called racist than dehumanizing the civil activists fighting them.

I don't know what to tell you.

 

[VoxPopuli]

Well, this thread appears to have jumped the shark. I'm going to need to ask the other mods how to deal with things like discussion of racism in the future.

This country has a very troubled history when it comes to race, and there is valid discussion to be had if some policies today stem from our racist past, and we all have to be more mature when discussing that. That means both discussing it in a less accusatory way, and responding to it in a less defensive way.