100 Marines to Baghdad (Iran conflict discussion)(Reopened & Merged) (7 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

We’re gonna try to stay on point in this one - .

After the Iranian admission of shooting down the Ukrainian 737, which was carrying 82 Iranian passengers, protests against the Supreme Leader have broken out.

The UK ambassador to Iran has been arrested for talking photos of the protests. President Trump has tweeted support for the protesters in English and Farsi.

 

[Beach Friends]

You can’t really gaslight people that can easily read the full sentence and conversational context:



It may not be the sentence structure I’d use in formal settings, but you aren’t obtuse.

But really, all I honestly needed was tonight. After policies that led to countless foreigners lives and a still weakened America, you were gung ho and ready to escalate so much with the slightest line being crossed. There isn’t a quagmire in the history of democratic government that didn’t get that way without the help of people like you all. Ready to stoke their deepest jingoism and tribalism at the slightest provocations. Calling nuance, empathy, and measured calculation weakness and cheering on careless provocation and mindless bluster strength.

I guess you are going to ignore that I said that I would be glad If the Iranian missiles clearly missed their targets, but if American lives were lost it was time to send ordinance down range.

Yep, I will be glad if this "retaliation" was not a retaliation at all.

But, you go ahead and spin your narrative.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I guess you are going to ignore that I said that I would be glad If the Iranian missiles clearly missed their targets, but if American lives were lost it was time to send ordinance down range.

Yep, I will be glad if this "retaliation" was not a retaliation at all.

But, you go ahead and spin your narrative.

Right, you wanted fire and fury if one American combatant was killed after, according to the rationale, America killed a perceived enemy combatant, escalated to that point because of our unilateral and unjustified abandonment of a working non-proliferation agreement that counter to promises simply escalated tensions and failed to achieve the stated goals.

A context habitually ignored in order to cherry pick and craft a narrative that would justify those self-inflicting escalations you were leaning into.

But like I said, I’m glad red lines only matter when it’s Obama, I truly do. You all and your mercurial positions based on dear leader are how Trump may be able to find that off-ramp I was deeply concerned may not exist.

 

[Joe Okc]

 

[superchuck500]

This is worth noting

 

[Joe Okc]

Now a Ukrainian AIrliner crashes in Tehron killing 180?

WTF?

Ukrainian Boeing plane crashes in Iran after takeoff, killing 176 on board | CNN

All 176 people on board a flight to the Ukrainian capital Kiev were killed when the plane crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran’s international airport, Iran’s Press TV reported.

www.cnn.com

 

[Devildog]

I am hoping our men over there are not trusting any Iraq soldiers that are on the base with them. I especially would not trust any Iraq soldiers that are guarding our Embassy.

So what does that tell you about the whole stupidity of fighting that war in the first place?

 

[Beach Friends]

Right, you wanted fire and fury if one American combatant was killed after, according to the rationale, America killed a perceived enemy combatant, escalated to that point because of our unilateral and unjustified abandonment of a working non-proliferation agreement that counter to promises simply escalated tensions and failed to achieve the stated goals.

A context habitually ignored in order to cherry pick and craft a narrative that would justify those self-inflicting escalations you were leaning into.

But like I said, I’m glad red lines only matter when it’s Obama, I truly do. You all and your mercurial positions based on dear leader are how Trump may be able to find that off-ramp I was deeply concerned may not exist.

Well, you've done an outstanding job speaking for the Islamic Republic of Iran. If only they could find someone whose bias was not so so clear.

 

[efil4]

This is worth noting

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I guess when you want to run things your way, you remove all the noise around you.

 

[superchuck500]

Now a Ukrainian AIrliner crashes in Tehron killing 180?

WTF?

Ukrainian Boeing plane crashes in Iran after takeoff, killing 176 on board | CNN

All 176 people on board a flight to the Ukrainian capital Kiev were killed when the plane crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran’s international airport, Iran’s Press TV reported.

www.cnn.com

This is both a tragedy and now a moment of international intrigue - Ukraine is not ruling out missile strike, and apparently Iran is not permitting Ukrainian authorities access to crash material including the black box. Reportedly at least.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I sometimes think people watched this episode of the West Wing and focused only on this part.

 

[reubenray]

This is both a tragedy and now a moment of international intrigue - Ukraine is not ruling out missile strike, and apparently Iran is not permitting Ukrainian authorities access to crash material including the black box. Reportedly at least.

I am curious why there were so many Canadians on this plane.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I am curious why there were so many Canadians on this plane.

Good chance it was a tour group. That was my initial thought.

 

[superchuck500]

While some aviation experts said it was too early to speculate, the OPS group, an aviation risk monitoring group, said: “We would recommend the starting assumption to be that this was a shootdown event, similar to MH17 – until there is clear evidence to the contrary," highlighting photos of the crash site which they said "show obvious projectile holes in the fuselage and a wing section."

UIA has also discounted the possibility of technical problems, insisting there was “nothing wrong” with the three-year old Boeing 737-800, which had undergone a scheduled technical check only two days earlier.

Iran plane crash may have been ‘shootdown event’, aviation experts say

Ukraine initially said plane crash was result of technical failure, before retracting statement

www.independent.co.uk

So if this is a shootdown event, you have three possibilities:
- Technical error (some system or feature of a system caused a missile to hit the civilian plane)
- Human error (some person mistakenly fired upon the civilian plane)
- Intentional (for some reason someone intentionally shot the plane down)

 

[efil4]

I sometimes think people watched this episode of the West Wing and focused only on this part.

As ive gotten older, i question more and more, does life imitate art or does art imitate life?

 

[dtc]

Uh.... they been shooting at us...

Correct. We shot back and killed their guy.

The discussion was Reuben asking "What if they put stuff in their cultural sites" to which I said "It's none of our business unless they shoot at us"

Now that it's in context, don't you agree? Or do you think Iran has the right to blow up our churches and the Viet Nam Memorial because we shot at them and might have guns hidden nearby?

 

[superchuck500]

Correct. We shot back and killed their guy.

The discussion was Reuben asking "What if they put stuff in their cultural sites" to which I said "It's none of our business unless they shoot at us"

Now that it's in context, don't you agree? Or do you think Iran has the right to blow up our churches and the Viet Nam Memorial because we shot at them and might have guns hidden nearby?

FWIW, I think the fundamental issue with cultural sites is that they belong to all of humanity - not just the nation in which they sit. It is foolish, bull-headed, unnecessary, and grotesque to attack cultural sites with no military value in the name of trying to extract some leverage. It is also wholly un-American as a matter of tradition.

That said, if verified intelligence says that a specific site is actually a military target, that's different. Though I think a weighing process should occur, if the site's historical value outweighs the value in removing the military asset(s), then we should resist.

 

[Joe Okc]

Correct. We shot back and killed their guy.

The discussion was Reuben asking "What if they put stuff in their cultural sites" to which I said "It's none of our business unless they shoot at us"

Now that it's in context, don't you agree? Or do you think Iran has the right to blow up our churches and the Viet Nam Memorial because we shot at them and might have guns hidden nearby?

No.. Of course I dont think that we should target such things... But I do believe that what he says is true though.. These folks {terrorist nations} have been known to hide AA guns in Churchas and Hospitals as an example.

 

[efil4]

No.. Of course I dont think that we should target such things... But I do believe that what he says is true though.. These folks {terrorist nations} have been known to hide AA guns in Churchas and Hospitals as an example.

what are AA guns used for?