100 Marines to Baghdad (Iran conflict discussion)(Reopened & Merged) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

We’re gonna try to stay on point in this one - .

After the Iranian admission of shooting down the Ukrainian 737, which was carrying 82 Iranian passengers, protests against the Supreme Leader have broken out.

The UK ambassador to Iran has been arrested for talking photos of the protests. President Trump has tweeted support for the protesters in English and Farsi.

 

[Heathen]

My point is not everyone in the Middle east is over there unhappy about it... as so many on the left seem to be saying... and I also imagine that if Iran wasn't such a totalitarian regime that you get your head chopped off at the slightest whim... That a bunch of them would be dancing in the street as well...

Capital punishment in Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Trump accused Obama again and again for trying to start a conflict in Iran for political purposes. Whether or not that has any truth to it, it's another bit of irony lost on Trump supporters on the road of things they've looked past holding him accountable on.

Remember when he adamantly ran on getting us out of wasteful ME wars? Do his supporters go from seriously realizing these wars are wasteful and we should spend TRILLIONS here instead to being the warhawks of our planet? From caring so much about the deficit to supporting every crippling spending increase this admin announces?

Let's just admit it. Trump supporters in general only care about their team winning. What transpires along the way, even if it hurts them? Who cares. Beat the liberals.

 

[insidejob]

Stampede At Funeral For Iran's Soleimani Kills At Least 32, Injures Scores

Iranian television said the stampede took place in Kerman, Soleimani's hometown, where the Quds Force commander slain in a U.S. airstrike last week was to be buried.

www.npr.org

So another 32 or 35 dead depending on which number is used. Also, 1 million people in Tehran shouting "Death to America" seems like a lot of hatred focused towards us. 1 million people is over double the amount at Trump's inauguration; I wonder how many will show up for Trump's funeral.

This morning they said it's at 50 dead (and counting).

 

[The moose]

I wish we would pull completely out of the Middle East. We have tried for to many years to bring peace there. There will never be peace there. We do not need their oil. I would gladly pay more for our oil to keep from getting any from them. Eventually they will all be fighting and killing each other without our help.

You know the ottoman empire was amazing. They kept that entire region in check forever. Like from the 1600s till WWl.

All the areas that were broken up after the war have been fighting ever since.

Another history lesson that gets missed by our education system here and just blames Germans is how WW1 started.

The start was Franz Ferdinand, the archduke of Austria-Hungary was assassinated by a Serbian nationalist.

Sound familiar? Kill someone second in charge.

Then everyone allied up and we have a great war.

Not saying that is what is gonna happen here but if you don't know your history it will repeat itself.

 

[Joe Okc]

Some Iranians...

Tell that to NO Bronco and Ward... Maybe they will believe you.

Let's just admit it. Trump supporters in general only care about their team winning. What transpires along the way, even if it hurts them? Who cares. Beat the liberals.

So... The attacks on Shipping in the Straight of Hormuz, The Shooting down of a US Drone, and a Rocket attack on a US base that kills an American and wounds other Americans should all just go by the wayside without any repercussions at all?

Doesn't look like Trump doing it just for political purposes to me. In fact.. This was why he was voted in to begin with. A stronger hand at Foreign policy.

We got a good look at Hillary's Foreign Policy At Benghazi and when Russia took over the Crimea from Ukraine.

 

[samiam5211]

Tell that to NO Bronco and Ward... Maybe they will believe you.

Not sure what point you're trying to make.

Even the Iranian's who aren't chanting "death to America", are probably feeling a bit violated by the US assassinating the general. Even if they hated him, they probably don't like a foreign government assassinating someone from their country.

I'd be mad at Iran if they assassinated Trump, even though I think he is the greatest threat to our country in my lifetime.

 

[Joe Okc]

Not sure what point you're trying to make.

Even the Iranian's who aren't chanting "death to America", are probably feeling a bit violated by the US assassinating the general. Even if they hated him, they probably don't like a foreign government assassinating someone from their country.

I'd be mad at Iran if they assassinated Trump, even though I think he is the greatest threat to our country in my lifetime.

That's you here... You don't get 91 lashes for dancing in a video on youtube... You don't get beheaded for being Gay, You don;t get put in jail for speaking up against the government.

So comparing yourself to an Iranian about how you would act in certain situations is a ludacris scenario as to how they might actually feel.

Seems that a bunch of our educated Iranians here in America feel totally different than you claim that you would.

 

[samiam5211]

That's you here... You don't get 91 lashes for dancing in a video on youtube... You don't get beheaded for being Gay, You don;t get put in jail for speaking up against the government.

So comparing yourself to an Iranian about how you would act in certain situations is a ludacris scenario as to how they might actually feel.

Seems that a bunch of our educated Iranians here in America feel totally different than you claim that you would.

People don't generally get put in jail in Iran for simply speaking out against the government. They have anti-government protests all the time.

I think how you imagine Iran isn't anything like reality.

 

[Joe Okc]

People don't generally get put in jail in Iran for simply speaking out against the government in Iran. They have anti-government protests all the time.

I think how you imagine Iran isn't anything like reality.

Oh My Gosh.. Liberals are defending Iran...

I forgot to mention in your scenario of Trump being killed by Iran... You know how many Liberals and Democrats would dance in the streets? Not to mention almost of all of Hollywood.

 

[samiam5211]

Oh My Gosh.. Liberals are defending Iran...

I forgot to mention in your scenario of Trump being killed by Iran... You know how many Liberals would dance in the streets? Not to mention almost of all of Hollywood.

I can't imagine how you think anything I said is defending Iran.

You seem to think Iran is North Korea and everyone has to toe the line or be executed.

Sure, you can find plenty of examples of people being punished cruelty in Iran for things we take for granted, but that does not mean that it is pervasive.

Iran has one of the most westernized cultures in the Middle East.

I could find plenty of examples of police officers shooting innocent people here, and i'm sure i could convince some people in Iran that everyone here lives in constant fear of the police and mass shootings, that doesn't make it true.

 

[JimEverett]

Trump accused Obama again and again for trying to start a conflict in Iran for political purposes. Whether or not that has any truth to it, it's another bit of irony lost on Trump supporters on the road of things they've looked past holding him accountable on.

Remember when he adamantly ran on getting us out of wasteful ME wars? Do his supporters go from seriously realizing these wars are wasteful and we should spend TRILLIONS here instead to being the warhawks of our planet? From caring so much about the deficit to supporting every crippling spending increase this admin announces?

Let's just admit it. Trump supporters in general only care about their team winning. What transpires along the way, even if it hurts them? Who cares. Beat the liberals.

You are getting ahead of yourself.

 

[coldseat]

Oh My Gosh.. Liberals are defending Iran...

I forgot to mention in your scenario of Trump being killed by Iran... You know how many Liberals and Democrats would dance in the streets? Not to mention almost of all of Hollywood.

Trump supporters really have difficulty with nuance and gray areas. Everything has to be black and white, except we don't live in a black and white world.

Having a fuller and richer understanding of a country, it's people and the different forces at play within a country is not the same thing as "defending Iran". It's what usually keeps us out of wars and conflicts that we'd rather not be in. But it seems that ever since 9/11, there's only on appropriate reaction to anything and everything in the middle east for conservative. And that is to label them all terrorist, evil and backwards and that we can pummel them with our overwhelming military and economic strength. It's basically how we've rationalized and gone along with all of our plans in the region. After 20 years, where exactly has that mentality gotten us?

 

[Archies Ghost]

Us killing the general doesn't make the people in Iran who were on our side more motivated to oppose the regime.

If Iran assassinated someone from the US who was very unpopular with liberals, most liberals would still support the military responding. It would not help build support for Iran inside the US, that is for sure. You may get a few crazies who still speak out against our government, but the overwhelming majority of even NeverTrumpers would be more supportive of Trump than they had been.

If your definition of assassination is the killing of a uniformed combatant in a conflict zone, then Iran has assassinated plenty.

 

[coldseat]

You are getting ahead of yourself.

Is he? I remember when we weren't going to get into a trade war with China either. They were supposed to bend to our demands and will because of the master negotiator. Still waiting for that.

 

[The moose]

If your definition of assassination is the killing of a uniformed combatant in a conflict zone, then Iran has assassinated plenty.

Here

Definition of ASSASSINATE

to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons; to injure or destroy unexpectedly and treacherously… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

It kinda fits exactly what happened.

So you want to argue with Miriam?

 

[Joe Okc]

No.. Your defending Iran... Because you don;t like Trump, Can;t admit that something should have been done... They can;t just keep attacking shipping, shooting down drone and sending missles at US bases can they?

As to this comment.

I could find plenty of examples of police officers shooting innocent people here,

Do it then.... Give me an example of a police officer shooting an innocent person this week... How about this month.. How about this week and last month?

Show me...

 

[samiam5211]

No.. Your defending Iran... Because you don;t like Trump, Can;t admit that something should have been done... They can;t just keep attacking shipping, shooting down drone and sending missles at US bases can they?

As to this comment.



Do it then.... Give me an example of a police officer shooting an innocent person this week... How about this month.. How about this week and last month?

Show me...

Do you believe that killing the general is going to make Iran stop what they are doing? it is only going to make them do more of it. This action will not get the result you claim you desire. The line between tough and stupid is a fine one.

I didn't mean to trigger you with the police comment, i was simply stating how events can be used to paint a country a certain way in the minds of people in other countries. It is wrong to assume that day to day life in Iran reflects the few events we hear about on the news.

Since you are convinced that I'm defending Iran, you won't hear anything I say.

 

[Archies Ghost]

Here

Definition of ASSASSINATE

to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons; to injure or destroy unexpectedly and treacherously… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

It kinda fits exactly what happened.

So you want to argue with Miriam?

So the killing of uniformed combatants in a conflict zone is, by definition, assassination?

And just be be a little preemptive, all military action is political.

 

[coldseat]

No.. Your defending Iran... Because you don;t like Trump, Can;t admit that something should have been done... They can;t just keep attacking shipping, shooting down drone and sending missles at US bases can they?

Again, the initial reasoning and explanation that was given by the Pentagon for this attack, was that an imminent terrorist attack was at hand. We have yet to provide proof of any such imminent attack. Those other attacks where responded to in kind when they occurred, so this attack on our part wasn't a direct response to any of that. It's just justification after the fact because they haven't provided any proof of the initial reason that the Pentagon claimed.