What happens to the Democratic Party now? (2 Viewers)

Optimus Prime said:

Actor George Clooney and statistician Nate Silver have revealed who they believe will be the Democratic nominee in 2028.

Clooney said during an interview with CNN Wednesday that he backs Maryland Governor Wes Moore, who he hailed as a “proper leader” for his handling of the Baltimore Key Bridge collapse last year. Silver, meanwhile, predicts that progressive New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will be the Democratic pick, citing her high polling numbers.

Silver shared his thoughts as part of his Silver Bulletin newsletter on Wednesday alongside former FiveThirtyEight podcast host Galen Druke, who currently hosts the GD Politicspodcast. Druke also chose the New York progressive as his top pick.

“I think there’s a lot of points in her favor at this very moment,” Druke noted. “In a Yale poll just out this week, AOC has the highest net favorability rating of any of the Democrats that they asked about.”……..

George Clooney and Nate Silver reveal their picks for future of Democratic party

Clooney, who helped get Biden out of 2024 race, says Maryland governor is ‘levitating above’ rest of possible Democratic field

www.independent.co.uk

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I like Wes Moore, I think he's a little stiff, but I could see him as the nominee. But AOC would be a stupid choice, she'd have no shot of winning the general election (which is probably why we'll see her being promoted).

In general, though, after 2016 and 2024 I think it would be unwise to run a woman at the top of the ticket.

Booker said:

I like Wes Moore, I think he's a little stiff, but I could see him as the nominee. But AOC would be a stupid choice, she'd have no shot of winning the general election (which is probably why we'll see her being promoted).

In general, though, after 2016 and 2024 I think it would be unwise to run a woman at the top of the ticket.

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And in both 2016 nd 2024 we elected an idiot that f'd up the country. Perhaps we should stop capitulating to the right as Democrats. Wes Moore is a good choice, but we should consider who the Republican opponent will probably be and the record they will have to defend. If J.D. Vance is the Republican nominee, and if Trump continues like this, it might not matter. And so far as AOC goes, most of the nation likes her. Once again, we need to stop capitulating to the way the right sees our party. The right says they like Trump because he speaks his mind, but AAC speaking her mind is somehow a loser. And you tell me who connects to the working class better, a former waitress or a Silicon Valley money manager?

So if a woman is at the top of the ticket again in 2028, (I think that Harris may run again) are we going to continue electing unqualified male morons to fork up this country instead of a brilliant very qualified woman? After what will be 252 years of male presidencies in this nation, perhaps it is time that we do a reset and put a person in the office who doesn't have the arrogance many of the male presidents have brought to the office. That might very well be the thing that saves this country.

mad1961 said:

And in both 2016 nd 2024 we elected an idiot that f'd up the country. Perhaps we should stop capitulating to the right as Democrats. Wes Moore is a good choice, but we should consider who the Republican opponent will probably be and the record they will have t defend. IfJ.D. Vance is the Republican nominee, and if Trump continues like this, it might not matter. And so far as AOC goes, most of the nation likes her. Once again, we need to stop capitulating to the way the right sees our party. The right says they like Trump because he speaks his mind, but AAC speaking her mind is somehow a loser. And you tell me who connects to the working class better, a former waitress or a Silicon Valley money manager?

So if a woman is at the top of the ticket again in 2028, (I think that Harris may run again) are we going to continue electing unqualified male morons to fork up this country instead of a brilliant very qualified woman? After what will be 252 years of male presidencies in this nation, perhaps it is time that we do a reset and put a person in the office who doesn't have the arrogance many of the male presidents have brought to the office. That might very well be the thing that saves this country.

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This country will not elect a woman to the presidency. In 2016 and 2024 an idiot got elected because this country will not elect a woman to the presidency. If the Democrats run a woman in 2028, they will again lose because this country will not elect a woman to the presidency.

mad1961 said:

And in both 2016 nd 2024 we elected an idiot that f'd up the country. Perhaps we should stop capitulating to the right as Democrats. Wes Moore is a good choice, but we should consider who the Republican opponent will probably be and the record they will have t defend. IfJ.D. Vance is the Republican nominee, and if Trump continues like this, it might not matter. And so far as AOC goes, most of the nation likes her. Once again, we need to stop capitulating to the way the right sees our party. The right says they like Trump because he speaks his mind, but AAC speaking her mind is somehow a loser. And you tell me who connects to the working class better, a former waitress or a Silicon Valley money manager?

So if a woman is at the top of the ticket again in 2028, (I think that Harris may run again) are we going to continue electing unqualified male morons to fork up this country instead of a brilliant very qualified woman? After what will be 252 years of male presidencies in this nation, perhaps it is time that we do a reset and put a person in the office who doesn't have the arrogance many of the male presidents have brought to the office. That might very well be the thing that saves this country.

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The simple answer will always be who wins the primary. This is my soapbox. Stop trying overtly, or covertly rig the primaries. No more backroom deals Barack, and no more ostracizing people who do run.

Also, my gut tells me whoever emerges out of this will be far more populist, and anti-billionaire. Between Trump tariff's and Elon's DOGE, the tech's bro's algo's can't spin that back to anyone but billionaires.

My general opinion is we need someone much younger. Someone who understands social media. What it's done to society, and how to regulate it.

Booker said:

In general, though, after 2016 and 2024 I think it would be unwise to run a woman at the top of the ticket.

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I'm not saying that I fully disagree I just think it is a damn tragic shame that the lesson learned from the consequences of 16 and 24 is "we can't run a woman again" and not "I need to vote for a woman"

Booker said:

This country will not elect a woman to the presidency. In 2016 and 2024 an idiot got elected because this country will not elect a woman to the presidency. If the Democrats run a woman in 2028, they will again lose because this country will not elect a woman to the presidency.

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I believe that if Harris runs again, she can win. Trump won by 1.5 percent. Other major countries have had women Presidents and Prime Ministers, we can do that in this country too. We do not need to continue picking mle imbeciles and I am nw including Gavin Newsom in that number. Cory Booker would also be a good choice. But right now, Chris Van Hollen has shown that if you must have a man to run as a Democrat, he might just be it.

J-DONK said:

The simple answer will always be who wins the primary. This is my soapbox. Stop trying overtly, or covertly rig the primaries. No more backroom deals Barack, and no more ostracizing people who do run.

Also, my gut tells me whoever emerges out of this will be far more populist, and anti-billionaire. Between Trump tariff's and Elon's DOGE, the tech's bro's algo's can't spin that back to anyone but billionaires.

My general opinion is we need someone much younger. Someone who understands social media. What it's done to society, and how to regulate it.

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The last one was not rigged and you don't have to be young to understand social media. Democrats need to stop allowing the right to control our decisions! Biden and Harris were the ticket in 2024, so when Biden gave the torch to Harris, that was correct. That's what Johnson did in 1968. I don't think any of the others could have beaten her in a primary. She beat the crap out of trump in their only debate. She did better than Biden against him. The problem is that white people choose to vote for racism/sexism. Whites are the only group where both men and women voted in the majority for Trump.

Besides, Trump didn't primary. They had debates, Trump didn't show up. On top of that, he had his family running the Republican National Committee. That's rigging.

Optimus Prime said:

I'm not saying that I fully disagree I just think it is a damn tragic shame that the lesson learned from the consequences of 16 and 24 is "we can't run a woman again" and not "I need to vote for a woman"

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Like I will keep saying, Democrats need to stop letting the right control our decisions. What needs to happen is that Harris runs again and her slogan is "I Told You So".

mad1961 said:

The last one was not rigged and you don't have to be young to understand social media. Democrats need to stop allowing the right to control our decisions! Biden and Harris were the ticket in 2024, so when Biden gave the torch to Harris, that was correct. That's what Johnson did in 1968. I don't think any of the others could have beaten her in a primary. She beat the crap out of trump in their only debate. She did better than Biden against him. The problem is that white people choose to vote for racism/sexism. Whites are the only group where both men and women voted in the majority for Trump.

Besides, Trump didn't primary. They had debates, Trump didn't show up. On top of that, he had his family running the Republican National Committee. That's rigging.

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Not to mention that there are SCOTUS cases that state political parties can do what they wish. Furthermore, what would have happened if Biden had died? The Dems wouldn’t be allowed to select a candidate.

mad1961 said:

Like I will keep saying, Democrats need to stop letting the right control our decisions. What needs to happen is that Harris runs again and her slogan is "I Told You So".

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Yes, men love it when women say that

mad1961 said:

The last one was not rigged and you don't have to be young to understand social media. Democrats need to stop allowing the right to control our decisions! Biden and Harris were the ticket in 2024, so when Biden gave the torch to Harris, that was correct. That's what Johnson did in 1968. I don't think any of the others could have beaten her in a primary. She beat the crap out of trump in their only debate. She did better than Biden against him. The problem is that white people choose to vote for racism/sexism. Whites are the only group where both men and women voted in the majority for Trump.

Besides, Trump didn't primary. They had debates, Trump didn't show up. On top of that, he had his family running the Republican National Committee. That's rigging.

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You have to go back to 2008 to find a truly open, and competitve democratic primary. 2012 Obama incumbency, 2016 "Hillarys turn" only Bernie challenged, 2020 Obama backroom deals to consolidate the party behind Biden once he finally won a primary, 2024 Biden incumbency.

The lionizing of Harris from some sects, I will never understand. She did the best you could expect with the horrible situation Biden put her in. I highly doubt she would win a real primary. Obama, and Pelosi wanted a primary process when Biden stepped down, part of that was concern over Harris's abilities.

I'm a progressive. I would love for AOC to win, but I'll also support someone like Buttegieg if that's who wins the primary. I simply want the process to be as competitive as possible. That has been lacking.

P.S. So we are clear, I don't think Harris lost because of gender. Her being part of the unpopular incumbent admin was a far bigger factor, IMO.

Optimus Prime said:

Yes, men love it when women say that

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In this case, she has been right thus far. And if Trump can run nd win on overt racism, then Harris can do this.

J-DONK said:

You have to go back to 2008 to find a truly open, and competitve democratic primary. 2012 Obama incumbency, 2016 "Hillarys turn" only Bernie challenged, 2020 Obama backroom deals to consolidate the party behind Biden once he finally won a primary, 2024 Biden incumbency.

The lionizing of Harris from some sects, I will never understand. She did the best you could expect with the horrible situation Biden put her in. I highly doubt she would win a real primary. Obama, and Pelosi wanted a primary process when Biden stepped down, part of that was concern over Harris's abilities.

I'm a progressive. I would love for AOC to win, but I'll also support someone like Buttegieg if that's who wins the primary. I simply want the process to be as competitive as possible. That has been lacking.

P.S. So we are clear, I don't think Harris lost because of gender. Her being part of the unpopular incumbent admin was a far bigger factor, IMO.

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Bernie was not even a democrat. Bernie is still not a democrat. But democrats let Bernie run. and then he got beaten in 30 states by Clinton. He got beat by Biden as well.. Incumbents generally run. Obama didn't backdoor anything, Clyburn endorsed Biden in South Carolina, and that started the train. I'd like to know who you think would have beaten Harris in a primary. Not Newsom. Not Whitmer. Not Shapiro. And the truth here is that all of those candidates decided not to challenge. Butigieg is a great speaker, but he will get hammered in an election. His record s myor was spotty and he was not spectacular as transportation secretary. If you think America is not ready for a female, think about how the right would mobilize a record number of voters to beat a gay candidate.. Biden set records for the economy and he took us out of covid. If he was unpopular, it's because the people refused to be informed. People voted for an overtly racist campaign, so whether you are progressive or conservative, it is time whites in America stopped trying to avoid this reality:

We have a problem with racism/sexism, and it needs to be addressed. It is time to stop trying to rationalize these losses by blaming the female Democratic candidate who was the far superior candidate by knowledge of the issues alone.

mad1961 said:

Bernie was not even a democrat. Bernie is still not a democrat. But democrats let Bernie run. and then he got beaten in 30 states by Clinton. He got beat by Biden as well..

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It interesting that you read progressive, and a line about Bernie, and you went here. Answer this question instead, Why did Obama discourge Biden from running in 2016?

You can google 90% of what you are claiming I'm wrong about: From Obama's rumored consolidating the field behind Biden, to Biden's favorability ratings because of inflation.

Also, I never said Harris lost because of her gender. That was another poster.

I will say this. Losses are always the candidates the fault. If you blame the public instead of the candidate you get nowhere except demonizing some part of the voting bloc.

Did the Biden adminstration do enough to tackle inflation? Did they message correctly on the topic? Why can't Democrats come up with a solution to things like housing, even in Democratic states like CA/NY?

Here is a better answer from the AP then America is racist, and sexist:

In Kentucky you have a Democratic two term governor that republicans like. Very popular among independents. Pragmatic. Also think Shapiro and Moore would be attractive to independents and republicans. Basically pick someone with a pragmatic approach and rational policies.

Sendai said:

In Kentucky you have a Democratic two term governor that republicans like. Very popular among independents. Pragmatic. Also think Shapiro and Moore would be attractive to independents and republicans. Basically pick someone with a pragmatic approach and rational policies.

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Again, it's time Democrats stopped letting Republicans determine wh we are and what we do. Harris lost by 1.5 percent. Harris had independents and Republicans endorsing her. Her policies were both pragmatic and national.. She has the experience of being VP and Senator. Bashear, Shapiro, and Moor would be fine running mates for her, but she and Walz need to run it back.

mad1961 said:

Again, it's time Democrats stopped letting Republicans determine wh we are and what we do. Harris lost by 1.5 percent. Harris had independents and Republicans endorsing her. Her policies were both pragmatic and national.. She has the experience of being VP and Senator. Bashear, Shapiro, and Moor would be fine running mates for her, but she and Walz need to run it back.

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She lost to trump. That alone puts her on the back bench. And experience as a vp ranks far below that of a governor. The best thing that could happen for democrats is for Vance run in 2028. Historically vp’s fail more often than win.

J-DONK said:

It interesting that you read progressive, and a line about Bernie, and you went here. Answer this question instead, Why did Obama discourge Biden from running in 2016?

You can google 90% of what you are claiming I'm wrong about: From Obama's rumored consolidating the field behind Biden, to Biden's favorability ratings because of inflation.

Also, I never said Harris lost because of her gender. That was another poster.

I will say this. Losses are always the candidates the fault. If you blame the public instead of the candidate you get nowhere except demonizing some part of the voting bloc.

Did the Biden adminstration do enough to tackle inflation? Did they message correctly on the topic? Why can't Democrats come up with a solution to things like housing, even in Democratic states like CA/NY?

Here is a better answer from the AP then America is racist, and sexist:

The 'super year' of elections has been super bad for incumbents as voters punish them in droves

Some have called it the “super year” for elections. And whether on the left or the right, sitting governments around the world have been drubbed this year by disgruntled voters.

apnews.com

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I went with the truth. Bernie is not a Democrat but Democrats allowed him to run as one. Republicns would never have done that. So talking about what happened to Bernie is really disingenuous. I will demonize any block who voted for a message that was overtly racist. Your answer is not better. Your answer denies the problem. I do plenty of searching, so I don't really need to go looking for accusations maade about Obama. As I recall, Bidens son died in 2015 and Biden has said many times that he just was not up for running a campaign at that time.

Here is where I get my answer from-



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Following the 2024 Election, media coverage has been dominated by newspapers seeking to articulate how Donald Trump won the election. As a part of this coverage, there is a noticeable rise in articles on the shift in Black and Latino votes for Trump with titles such as “Trump’s return to power fueled by Hispanic, working-class voter support,” and lines like “some surprising margins . . . within groups including women, Black and Latino voters helped carry the former president to victory.” While it is certainly important to recognize shifts in the voting patterns of people of color and what that means, the media framing that seeks to attribute Trump’s victory to people of color is concerning because it seemingly blames those who will be most devastated by a second Trump term for his victory.

To be clear, Trump’s voting coalition is overwhelmingly composed of white voters. Approximately 84% of the votes for Trump in 2024 were cast by white voters.

Donald Trump won the 2024 election despite running the most racist presidential campaign in history, despite his long history of racial slurs and comments (such as claiming that Kamala Harris “turned Black”), and despite hosting rallies where speakers regularly gave remarks containing racist dog whistles on stage. This phenomenon, where voters voted for Trump despite his racist actions, suggests that in spite of arguments to the contrary, the United States of America is still wrestling with issues of white supremacy and racial bias.


When it is said consistenty that inflation was gobal due t the pandemic, Biden should not have had to provide additional messaging to thinking peple. Also since the supply chains were damaged before Biden took office, the tendency to excuse Trump for being one of the actul creators of inflation is another thing we, the peope missed. Our job is to be informed, and the pubic failed in this regard. Republican states do no better at housing and in fact are wrse. I ive in a Repubucn state. So again, repeating what Repubicans say is not the way to do things.