Will “mass deportation” actually happen (3 Viewers)

Sendai said:

I’d say it’s a big and quite unfortunate problem when the individual in question is a citizen of El Salvador who, physically, is in El Salvador. Pretty much solely up to the government of El Salvador.

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We paid El Salvador to take him (and the others)

efil4 said:

How is any of this ok?

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I've been asking that since he became the nom the first time around. Here we are some 10-ish years later.

They've essentially normalized this shirt to where half the population doesn't even react anymore, or they think it's perfectly acceptable practices

Sendai said:

I’d say it’s a big and quite unfortunate problem when the individual in question is a citizen of El Salvador who, physically, is in El Salvador. Pretty much solely up to the government of El Salvador.

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And that just puts focus on how illegal this whole operation is and the cruelty with which it's being carried out.

Sendai said:

I’d say it’s a big and quite unfortunate problem when the individual in question is a citizen of El Salvador who, physically, is in El Salvador. Pretty much solely up to the government of El Salvador.

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Well, the US took him in and granted him asylum. We basically promised him he could stay here because he was being targeted by criminals in his home country - the very gang Trump is now lying that he is a member of.

Then ICE kidnapped him and sent him to a concentration camp for no reason, where he is manifestly unsafe. There was a time when this would shame the US into getting him back. We have no shame anymore and lies are all the US says. I’m ashamed of this country in a way I have never been before.

He has a 5 yo daughter.

The US is paying El Salvador to keep him in a concentration camp. All we have to do is ask to have them release him. And we are unwilling to do that much.

This isn’t unfortunate - the entire thing is a huge human rights violation. People should be charged over this and prosecuted.

Mohsen Mahdawi walked out in handcuffs shortly after arriving for a citizenship interview inside the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service office in Vermont.

Mahdawi, a lawful permanent resident who has held a green card for at least 10 years, was anticipating a scheduled interview in Colchester as part of his citizenship process on Monday. Instead, hooded federal agents walked him into a car and drove off.

Born and raised in a refugee camp in the West Bank, where he lived until moving to the United States in 2014, Mahdawi is among the latest Columbia University student activists marked for removal by Donald Trump’s administration for their Palestinian advocacy.

A federal judge on Monday swiftly granted a temporary restraining order blocking his removal from the state after Mahdawi’s attorneys filed a petition with the court challenging his arrest and detention. He remains in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, according to the agency’s inmate locator.……

Sendai said:

I’d say it’s a big and quite unfortunate problem when the individual in question is a citizen of El Salvador who, physically, is in El Salvador. Pretty much solely up to the government of El Salvador.

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Yeah, that's quite likely how this resolves - yes, the administration's conduct in the proceeding has been contemptuous but the mechanics of a US court forcing the US government to obtain his return seem highly challenged at best. There may end up being some sort of contempt finding for the record but not much else.

But perhaps it causes a change in posture in the courts - soft treatment of the administration in the name of constitutional order only leads to abuse by this particular one.

MT15 said:

Well, the US took him in and granted him asylum. We basically promised him he could stay here because he was being targeted by criminals in his home country - the very gang Trump is now lying that he is a member of.

Then ICE kidnapped him and sent him to a concentration camp for no reason, where he is manifestly unsafe. There was a time when this would shame the US into getting him back. We have no shame anymore and lies are all the US says. I’m ashamed of this country in a way I have never been before.

He has a 5 yo daughter.

The US is paying El Salvador to keep him in a concentration camp. All we have to do is ask to have them release him. And we are unwilling to do that much.

This isn’t unfortunate - the entire thing is a huge human rights violation. People should be charged over this and prosecuted.

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And now Trump is floating the idea of letting illegals stay here if they are farm workers, hotel workers, etc. Like wut?!?

superchuck500 said:

Yeah, that's quite likely how this resolves - yes, the administration's conduct in the proceeding has been contemptuous but the mechanics of a US court forcing the US government to obtain his return seem highly challenged at best. There may end up being some sort of contempt finding for the record but not much else.

But perhaps it causes a change in posture in the courts - soft treatment of the administration in the name of constitutional order only leads to abuse by this particular one.

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It should at a minimum force every court, including the Supreme Court, to declare this whole Alien Enemies Act Illegal and unconstitutional. There is no justification for it, we are not in a declared war, people are being grabbed of the street by hooded "federal officials" (we don't even really know), people are being removed from the country without any due process, they're being sent to a concentration camp that the US claims it has no jurisdiction over, and the government is illegally paying for all this. All without any confirmation or consent from Congress.

I don't how anything could possibly be more unconstitutional and a betrayal of what we're supposed to be as a country. The longer the court sits on its hands, the greater the injustice grows. The shame and consequences from this will live with America for a long time.

coldseat said:

I don't how anything could possibly be more unconstitutional and a betrayal of what we're supposed to be a a country. The longer the court sits on its hands, the greater the injustice grows. The shame and consequences from this will live with America for a long time.

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They can just declare the topic ‘divisive’ so they never talk about it, never teach it and pretend it never happened

CHICAGO (WLS) -- The party is over for Chicago's annual Cinco de Mayo Parade this year.

Organizers announcing Thursday that the tradition, along with its festivities on the city's Southwest Side have been canceled this year.

Organizers said immigration policies from the Trump administration is creating fear in the Mexican community, saying their decision to cancel the event puts safety over profit.

A historic Chicago parade, embracing Mexican heritage, is once again facing a detour.

Organizers for the event canceled the annual Cinco de Mayo Parade & Festivities, scheduled for next month, blaming immigration policies coming out of President Donald Trump's administration.

"Our people are scared," said Hector Escobar, President of the Casa Puebla & Cermak Road Chamber of Commerce. "See, some of them, they don't even want to go to work and some of them, they've taken a high risk. And, definitely, it's not much to celebrate."……..

Sendai said:

I’d say it’s a big and quite unfortunate problem when the individual in question is a citizen of El Salvador who, physically, is in El Salvador. Pretty much solely up to the government of El Salvador.

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The man was legally here in our country and had done nothing to be reported for. That's the big problem.

Trump is going to get this country sanctioned.

superchuck500 said:

What I said was about 80% (just a rough gauge) is very similar. You tell me where I’m wrong.

Early phase:
Identify the target group, mobilize government resources to move into communities to begin the process. Rely on various sources of information in the records and community to identify individuals to be handled by the program. There will be some ambiguity here because the forces in the community will not always know the actual status of individuals and rely on reports and information.

Middle Phase:
Capture individuals believed to be in the target group, sequester them and transport them for further processing. In detention centers, process those individuals to confirm status and obtain final disposition instructions.

Final phase:
Disposition of individuals per the resolution as identified in previous phase.

In the final phase of the Holocaust, individuals were disposed to work camps or death camps. In the plan for mass deportation, individuals will be detained until final status is determined and then presumably deported to the nation of origin per the determination.

Apart from the final disposition it’s basically the same - and I invite you to explain where this detail is wrong.

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This post has unfortunately proven to be disturbingly prescient. We’re now clearly moving from the middle phase to the final phase — and it’s only taken a matter of months. So, where are all those voices who once claimed, “It could never happen here”?


Let’s be clear: the structure is nearly identical. The only thing separating the current plan from history’s darkest chapters is the stated final outcome — for now. But the phases leading up to it are unmistakably familiar:


Early Phase:
Identify a target population. Mobilize government resources to infiltrate communities and gather data. Use public records, community reports, and even hearsay to determine who fits the criteria. Yes, there’s ambiguity — because when a system relies on suspicion, error and abuse are inevitable.


Middle Phase:
Apprehend individuals based on perceived status. Detain them, often without transparent legal process. Transport them to centers for “processing.” Evaluate their status and await instructions on what to do with them — while separating families, disrupting lives, and violating rights.


Final Phase:
Carry out the “disposition.” In Nazi Germany, that meant forced labor or death. Today, it's mass detention and deportation to labor camps in a foreign country for life — but the machinery of dehumanization is eerily similar. It’s a difference in degree, not in kind.


Some posters asked you to show where you’re wrong — but the truth is, you’re not. Apart from the scale and the final outcome (for now), the roadmap is chillingly close. The mechanisms are in motion. The rhetoric is in place. The desensitization is happening. And once again, far too many people are silent — or worse, complicit.

mad1961 said:

Trump is going to get this country sanctioned.

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As we should be. The voters chose chaos over stability.

MT15 said:

This is what needs to happen, and I thought there was a court order preventing any further people from being sent to the concentration camp. But Rubio just crowed about sending 10 more people down there yesterday.

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Just a reminder… from the US Holocaust museum:
"What distinguishes a concentration camp from a prison (in the modern sense) is that it functions outside of a judicial system. The prisoners are not indicted or convicted of any crime by judicial process."
Just in case anyone is curious

UncleTrvlingJim said:

Just a reminder… from the US Holocaust museum:
"What distinguishes a concentration camp from a prison (in the modern sense) is that it functions outside of a judicial system. The prisoners are not indicted or convicted of any crime by judicial process."
Just in case anyone is curious

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/concentration-camps-1933-39

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Yep, those who forget history...

And if they didn't actually forget it...then they embrace it.

Dragon said:

This post has unfortunately proven to be disturbingly prescient. We’re now clearly moving from the middle phase to the final phase — and it’s only taken a matter of months. So, where are all those voices who once claimed, “It could never happen here”?


Let’s be clear: the structure is nearly identical. The only thing separating the current plan from history’s darkest chapters is the stated final outcome — for now. But the phases leading up to it are unmistakably familiar:


Early Phase:
Identify a target population. Mobilize government resources to infiltrate communities and gather data. Use public records, community reports, and even hearsay to determine who fits the criteria. Yes, there’s ambiguity — because when a system relies on suspicion, error and abuse are inevitable.


Middle Phase:
Apprehend individuals based on perceived status. Detain them, often without transparent legal process. Transport them to centers for “processing.” Evaluate their status and await instructions on what to do with them — while separating families, disrupting lives, and violating rights.


Final Phase:
Carry out the “disposition.” In Nazi Germany, that meant forced labor or death. Today, it's mass detention and deportation to labor camps in a foreign country for life — but the machinery of dehumanization is eerily similar. It’s a difference in degree, not in kind.


Some posters asked you to show where you’re wrong — but the truth is, you’re not. Apart from the scale and the final outcome (for now), the roadmap is chillingly close. The mechanisms are in motion. The rhetoric is in place. The desensitization is happening. And once again, far too many people are silent — or worse, complicit.

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Certainly my description was even a bit sterile as your embellishments show. As to scale and final outcome, that remains to be seen. Trump is asking for El Salvador to build "five more" CECOTs. The government is planning to build various "detention centers" . . . so certainly they appear to be scaling up.

And we don't really know how the final results are going to end up - I think my description largely presumed these individuals would be returned to some country of origin where they would either be free or face a result there beyond the USA's intention or control. But that now appears to be the exception rather than the norm, as the administration appears to prefer either indefinite extra-judicial detention or disposition to a foreign prison where they might very well be forced to labor and suffer death.

But I think also the numbers are going to show that the promise of "mass deportation" is and always was political rhetoric that Trump is going to not be able to deliver. I think the numbers to date not only fail to show a major large-scale program, but are actually quite in line with prior years. That will be disappointing to the red-meat authoritarian MAGAs of the country with fantasies of militias rounding up the brown hordes - but hey, at least they got to dream for a while.