Will “mass deportation” actually happen (4 Viewers)

Here’s an npr article about Trump deporting people without any due process, or representation allowed. They have not been accused of any crime, nor given a chance to dispute that they are members of a gang. There are some boys aged 14 included.

We should remember that totally innocent people were sent to Gitmo, assumed to be gang members because of a sports-related tattoo.

superchuck500 said:

Um, that’s now how it works

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Am I correct in assuming there will be no consequences for this act? I do understand that the ACLU case will go forward, I’m talking about the defiance of this court order.

MT15 said:

Am I correct in assuming there will be no consequences for this act? I do understand that the ACLU case will go forward, I’m talking about the defiance of this court order.

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I think there will be consequences - what form they take we will have to see. I think we can expect that the judge will hold a hearing (or a written order requiring DOJ to explain) on what decisions were made about compliance with the order and who made those decisions. The range of sanctions is pretty broad and I’m not saying that we will find the result satisfactory but I think there will be some consequence.

Optimus Prime said:

Terrible is terrible no matter which administration it’s under and this is a terrible story

A country she’s not from, a country she’s never been to, she doesn’t know anyone, doesn’t speak the language, doesn’t have access to her medication

May have just taken her out back and put a bullet in her head because the end result will be the same

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Yea, but you would not have heard this story if Trump wasn't president. This kind of thing happens at least dozens if not hundreds of times every year.

superchuck500 said:

Um, that’s now how it works

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It is if you have the guns.

MT15 said:

Am I correct in assuming there will be no consequences for this act? I do understand that the ACLU case will go forward, I’m talking about the defiance of this court order.

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There will be no consequences.

superchuck500 said:

I think there will be consequences - what form they take we will have to see. I think we can expect that the judge will hold a hearing (or a written order requiring DOJ to explain) on what decisions were made about compliance with the order and who made those decisions. The range of sanctions is pretty broad and I’m not saying that we will find the result satisfactory but I think there will be some consequence.

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Let me rephrase. The consequences will be of no consequence.

The end of the judicial branch is nigh.

brandon said:

It is if you have the guns.


There will be no consequences.


Let me rephrase. The consequences will be of no consequence.

The end of the judicial branch is nigh.

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probably a stern verbal reprimand.

This is a separate case:

Here is another case of anyone with tattoos being labeled a gang member and deported without due process:

Horrifying photos and a short video of El Salvadore prison, where the guards wear masks so nobody knows who they are. Reminder, there are some 14 yo boys being held in this prison, and at least one man who is LGBTQ and was wrongfully identified as a gang member.

This month marks 22 years since the creation of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice).

Created in the wake of 9/11 under the guise of national security, Ice was supposed to target real threats.

Instead, it has become a machine of mass surveillance, indiscriminate arrests and fear-based enforcement that does little to keep us safer.

Over the years, the harshest post-9/11 policies were rolled back after proving ineffective. But today, we are watching history repeat itself.

The resurgence of Donald Trump’s immigration policies signals a dangerous return to a failed strategy – one that prioritizes public spectacle over public safety, conflates civil violations with criminal threats, and emboldens vigilantes to police immigration status as if it were their duty.

I saw this firsthand in my 13 years as an assistant chief counsel for Ice. The US immigration system was not designed to grant due process or ensure fairness; instead, it was built to prioritize deportation as a fallback when criminal prosecutions weren’t politically desirable or feasible.

History has shown us that mass immigration enforcement does not make us safer. The George W Bush administration’s post-9/11 surveillance programs, such as the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS), failed to prevent terrorism and instead fueled racial profiling.

The Bush administration implemented Operation Streamline to criminally prosecute border crossers en masse and clogged federal courts with non-violent immigration cases.

It wasted resources on prosecuting asylum seekers instead of targeting real security threats. These policies were ultimately scrapped because they didn’t work.

Yet today, we see them creeping back to “Make America Safe Again”.…….

Who could have predicted this would happen? Cries the people who voted for someone who made this one of his pillars of reelection

superchuck500 said:

I think there will be consequences - what form they take we will have to see. I think we can expect that the judge will hold a hearing (or a written order requiring DOJ to explain) on what decisions were made about compliance with the order and who made those decisions. The range of sanctions is pretty broad and I’m not saying that we will find the result satisfactory but I think there will be some consequence.

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Hearing today at 5 (it says 4 here but it's 5):

superchuck500 said:

Hearing today at 5 (it says 4 here but it's 5):

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This was always going to happen with this administration. They were itching to defy court orders in order to put in place their authoritarian state. I have a feeling the "court" will find a way to back down because they're scared of how far this administration will go.

coldseat said:

This was always going to happen with this administration. They were itching to defy court orders in order to put in place their authoritarian state. I have a feeling the "court" will find a way to back down because they're scared of how far this administration will go.

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They shouldn’t. The administration is challenging its boundaries. It’s important for the other coequal branches to toe the line.

TampaJoe said:

They shouldn’t. The administration is challenging its boundaries. It’s important for the other coequal branches to toe the line.

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True indeed. Congress basically fully acquiesced to Trump with the CR last week. It does seem like the judiciary needs to get serious here - but the federal courts are traditionally very measured in their handing of line-stepping.

superchuck500 said:

True indeed. Congress basically fully acquiesced to Trump with the CR last week. It does seem like the judiciary needs to get serious here - but the federal courts are traditionally very measured in their handing of line-stepping.

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That's still not the point.

The point is that the branch that would be charged with enforcing any orders the judicial branch gives is the branch refusing to do what the judicial branch orders.

The judicial branch depends on the executive branch to carry out its orders. The judicial branch has no enforcement mechanism without the executive branch's willingness to enforce court orders.

There's literally nothing the judicial branch can do other than write a (metaphorical) strongly worded letter at this point.