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    Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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    Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
    He won convincingly.
    Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
    Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
    In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
    Here is an interesting article on this topic...
    www.scotsman.com

    Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

    Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.
    www.scotsman.com www.scotsman.com
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    What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Well I am glad you feel you were successful. Please also note that Haley will likely finish 2nd in Iowa and potentially finish first in New Hampshire.
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    Who here agrees with LA's statement that I was "absolutely certain" that Haley would finish 2nd?
    Check the definition of "likely" for a refresh of its meaning.
    ........and I'm not certain Haley will finish 1st in New Hampshire but National Public Radio (NPR) and a bunch of other sources at least give her a chance.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Who here agrees with LA's statement that I was "absolutely certain" that Haley would finish 2nd?
    Check the definition of "likely" for a refresh of its meaning.
    ........and I'm not certain Haley will finish 1st in New Hampshire but National Public Radio (NPR) and a bunch of other sources at least give her a chance.
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    Have you been drinking enough fluids? It seems like you need to hydrate.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Who here agrees with LA's statement that I was "absolutely certain" that Haley would finish 2nd?
    Check the definition of "likely" for a refresh of its meaning.
    ........and I'm not certain Haley will finish 1st in New Hampshire but National Public Radio (NPR) and a bunch of other sources at least give her a chance.
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    Don't know if the exact words "absolutely certain" were used and maybe not about winning Iowa specifically but the sentiment is that you definitely think Haley will be the nominee
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    www.theguardian.com

    Asa Hutchinson drops out of race for Republican presidential nomination

    Former Arkansas governor, a stalwart conservative, was willing to sharply criticize Donald Trump
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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    Ramaswamy also out:

    www.nytimes.com

    Vivek Ramaswamy, Wealthy Political Novice Who Aligned With Trump, Quits Campaign

    A self-funding entrepreneur, Mr. Ramaswamy peaked in late August but deflated under attack from his rivals. He dropped out after the Iowa caucuses and endorsed Donald J. Trump.
    www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
     
    The year 2022 was an unusual one in American politics. It was the first election since Donald Trump tried to stay in power after losing the 2020 contest and some of his supporters attempted to secure a second term by force. The former president, a central figure in Republican politics for the previous six years, was still somewhat sidelined, and the conservative/right-wing media universe could be deployed for things other than defending Trump’s assertions.

    For some time, Republican antagonism had led politicians from that party to sideline, disparage or even ignore traditional media outlets. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, seeking reelection, was among them. Then he won, easily, and prepared to run for president.

    And then the floor fell out.

    One problem was that DeSantis’s victory, while robust, was not necessarily the mandate that he has suggested it was. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) was on the ballot, too, and his 16-point margin of victory wasn’t that much smaller than DeSantis’s 19-point one.

    Another was that another Republican candidate had explicitly aimed to goose Republican and conservative turnout the same year by overtly rejecting media coverage he viewed as hostile. That was Doug Mastriano, running for governor in Pennsylvania, and he lost by 15 points.

    Of course, those were general-election fights, not primaries, so perhaps any lessons they offered could be set aside. DeSantis came into 2023 trailing Trump only slightly and with an obvious approach moving forward: focusing on right-wing media, not traditional media or media overall. After all, his campaign team had enormous experience, gleaned from the 2022 race, in pushing back on the media on social media (generating support and glee from the broader right, particularly online). Moving forward from a position of strength — and avoiding direct criticism — might have seemed quite appealing, particularly because he had just won reelection using much the same approach.

    Semafor’s Benjy Sarlin on Thursday surfaced a social media post from March 2023 that predicted what came next.

    “Ron DeSantis hasn’t been vetted in a national media environment. Worse for him: he thinks he has,” American Bridge’s Pat Dennis wrote. “So he’s not prepared.”

    Sarlin pointed back at the post in response to an interview DeSantis granted (conservative) radio host Hugh Hewitt.

    Hewitt asked DeSantis what adjustments he planned to make as the end looms.

    “I came in not really doing as much media. I should have just been blanketing. I should have gone on all the corporate shows,” DeSantis replied, using “corporate” in lieu of “mainstream” or “traditional.” “I should have gone on everything. I started doing that as we got into the end of the summer, and we did it. But we had an opportunity, I think, to come out of the gate and do that and reach a much broader folk.”

    This was particularly true because he was initially positioned as the candidate who could serve as a Trump alternative — and Republicans looking for such an alternative are less likely to be immersed solely in right-wing media. Whether this would have made any difference is debatable, certainly, given that DeSantis’s governance in his home state was heavily focused on responding to issues permeating right-wing television and social media. He presumably launched his campaign on the social media platform that was then called Twitter to reinforce what he perceived as a strength and because 2022 had indicated that this plan might work.

    It didn’t. As Trump rose, the former president’s vocal supporters on Twitter, now known as X, came back into the fold and often attacked DeSantis as viciously as they had Trump’s other opponents in the past. (See: Bootgate.) This made it trickier to rely on right-wing media alone, because there were incentives for hosts and influencers in that space to similarly side with Trump. It was not friendly terrain.


    In early January of last year, the New York Times published a story looking at how DeSantis planned to shut out traditional media. By July, Vanity Fair was reporting on his new embrace of outlets such as CNN.

    Between those two stories, DeSantis’s average in national polls compiled by 538 dropped from 34 percent to 20 percent, a 14-point decline. Trump’s lead over him grew from 11 points to 30...........


     
    Optimus Prime said:
    The year 2022 was an unusual one in American politics. It was the first election since Donald Trump tried to stay in power after losing the 2020 contest and some of his supporters attempted to secure a second term by force. The former president, a central figure in Republican politics for the previous six years, was still somewhat sidelined, and the conservative/right-wing media universe could be deployed for things other than defending Trump’s assertions.

    For some time, Republican antagonism had led politicians from that party to sideline, disparage or even ignore traditional media outlets. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, seeking reelection, was among them. Then he won, easily, and prepared to run for president.

    And then the floor fell out.

    One problem was that DeSantis’s victory, while robust, was not necessarily the mandate that he has suggested it was. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) was on the ballot, too, and his 16-point margin of victory wasn’t that much smaller than DeSantis’s 19-point one.

    Another was that another Republican candidate had explicitly aimed to goose Republican and conservative turnout the same year by overtly rejecting media coverage he viewed as hostile. That was Doug Mastriano, running for governor in Pennsylvania, and he lost by 15 points.

    Of course, those were general-election fights, not primaries, so perhaps any lessons they offered could be set aside. DeSantis came into 2023 trailing Trump only slightly and with an obvious approach moving forward: focusing on right-wing media, not traditional media or media overall. After all, his campaign team had enormous experience, gleaned from the 2022 race, in pushing back on the media on social media (generating support and glee from the broader right, particularly online). Moving forward from a position of strength — and avoiding direct criticism — might have seemed quite appealing, particularly because he had just won reelection using much the same approach.

    Semafor’s Benjy Sarlin on Thursday surfaced a social media post from March 2023 that predicted what came next.

    “Ron DeSantis hasn’t been vetted in a national media environment. Worse for him: he thinks he has,” American Bridge’s Pat Dennis wrote. “So he’s not prepared.”

    Sarlin pointed back at the post in response to an interview DeSantis granted (conservative) radio host Hugh Hewitt.

    Hewitt asked DeSantis what adjustments he planned to make as the end looms.

    “I came in not really doing as much media. I should have just been blanketing. I should have gone on all the corporate shows,” DeSantis replied, using “corporate” in lieu of “mainstream” or “traditional.” “I should have gone on everything. I started doing that as we got into the end of the summer, and we did it. But we had an opportunity, I think, to come out of the gate and do that and reach a much broader folk.”

    This was particularly true because he was initially positioned as the candidate who could serve as a Trump alternative — and Republicans looking for such an alternative are less likely to be immersed solely in right-wing media. Whether this would have made any difference is debatable, certainly, given that DeSantis’s governance in his home state was heavily focused on responding to issues permeating right-wing television and social media. He presumably launched his campaign on the social media platform that was then called Twitter to reinforce what he perceived as a strength and because 2022 had indicated that this plan might work.

    It didn’t. As Trump rose, the former president’s vocal supporters on Twitter, now known as X, came back into the fold and often attacked DeSantis as viciously as they had Trump’s other opponents in the past. (See: Bootgate.) This made it trickier to rely on right-wing media alone, because there were incentives for hosts and influencers in that space to similarly side with Trump. It was not friendly terrain.


    In early January of last year, the New York Times published a story looking at how DeSantis planned to shut out traditional media. By July, Vanity Fair was reporting on his new embrace of outlets such as CNN.

    Between those two stories, DeSantis’s average in national polls compiled by 538 dropped from 34 percent to 20 percent, a 14-point decline. Trump’s lead over him grew from 11 points to 30...........


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    If the Republican Senate had done their duty and convicted Trump, DeSantis's arc would have mirrored that of Hillary Clinton.
     
    A New Hampshire poll shows that Haley would defeat President Biden in NH.

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