Elon Musk and Twitter Reach Deal for Sale (Update: WSJ report details Musk’s relationship with Putin) (3 Viewers)

SaintForLife said:

You don't think Media Matters did things to give a different impression of what they claim? They made it seem like antisemitism is rampant on X right? Out of 5.5 billion ad impressions that day less that 50 saw that content. Does that sound like it happened often?

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I personally did not have an impression of how many times it had occurred. I only knew that it had supposedly occurred. You're also taking Musk's statements here at face value and that's fine but we don't really know if what he's saying is true or not either unless you're aware of something there that I am not.

bdb13 said:

Why did the right coordinate to hurt Anheuser-Busch?

What is the difference? Both reacted to things they found objectionable in similar ways.

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You think there was a coordinated campaign by the right vs Anheuser-Busch that was similar to the one that the media and the left are engaged in towards Musk/X?

What's the difference? One includes the left and the media being mad they lost their censorship system in Twitter and the other includes a bunch of people who were pissed that a beer company they buy promoted a transgender influencer.

Are you not concerned with all the censorship that the government and the left got caught doing in the name of misinformation? A federal judge has already said that it could be one of the worst violations of the first ammendment in history by the government.

SaintForLife said:

You think there was a coordinated campaign by the right vs Anheuser-Busch that was similar to the one that the media and the left are engaged in towards Musk/X?

What's the difference? One includes the left and the media being mad they lost their censorship system in Twitter and the other includes a bunch of people who were pissed that a beer company they buy promoted a transgender influencer.

Are you not concerned with all the censorship that the government and the left got caught doing in the name of misinformation? A federal judge has already said that it could be one of the worst violations of the first ammendment in history by the government.

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I'm certain I've expressed my negative opinion on here previously in regards to how some of the Hunter Biden stuff and everything was handled on social media and the coordinated effort to call it Russian disinformation from the jump.

In my opinion this is an example of you not dealing in good faith that I referenced before because you will not concede that the left and the right both operate in a similar manner in instances like these when it's very obvious that they do. The right certainly went after Anheuser-Busch in a similar fashion and I don't even know how that's very debatable. I'm not even sure we're talking a large difference in scale honestly.

You have different objections than people on the left I understand that but the way things are dealt with by both sides are similar in nature and that is obvious but you keep throwing stuff out at me that I do not even feel is particularly relevant to this conversation. Okay, the left has it out for Musk, I agree. And the right had it out for Anheuser-Busch. There are different reasonings behind the two but the way each side has gone after the other is similar.

So there seems to be an obvious difference between the boycotting of Bud Light and big corporations stop putting their ads on X.
Umm, no one is boycotting X. It is a free service for whoever wants to use it unless you’re paying for the blue check. Those who paid aren’t boycotting it.

Neworleansfan said:

So there seems to be an obvious difference between the boycotting of Bud Light and big corporations stop putting their ads on X.
Umm, no one is boycotting X. It is a free service for whoever wants to use it unless you’re paying for the blue check. Those who paid aren’t boycotting it.

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I was referencing the coordination to "make them pay" displayed by both sides in reference to the respective issues.

bdb13 said:

I'm certain I've expressed my negative opinion on here previously in regards to how some of the Hunter Biden stuff and everything was handled on social media and the coordinated effort to call it Russian disinformation from the jump.

In my opinion this is an example of you not dealing in good faith that I referenced before because you will not concede that the left and the right both operate in a similar manner in instances like these when it's very obvious that they do. The right certainly went after Anheuser-Busch in a similar fashion and I don't even know how that's very debatable. I'm not even sure we're talking a large difference in scale honestly.

You have different objections than people on the left I understand that but the way things are dealt with by both sides are similar in nature and that is obvious but you keep throwing stuff out at me that I do not even feel is particularly relevant to this conversation. Okay, the left has it out for Musk, I agree. And the right had it out for Anheuser-Busch. There are different reasonings behind the two but the way each side has gone after the other is similar.

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They censored way more than just the Hunter Biden laptop stuff. Covid, vaccines, lab leak, ivermectin, January 6th, real scientists like Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya and Harvard’s Martin Kulldorf began being censored for saying true things, anti Ukraine narratives, etc.

I don't understand how many on the left are okay with that. I mean the Biden Administration appealed the ruling by the judge that said they might have committed the worst violations in history in regards to the first ammendment. That case is at the Supreme Court currently.

I know the right has some coordinated campaigns, but the Anheuser-Busch boycott seemed liked a grassroots effort and from what I saw it didn't include companies, organizations like the effort against Musk/Twitter.

Here is the list of who signed the letter against Musk from last year:

Access Now Accountable Tech
Black Lives Matter
Global Network Foundation Center for Countering Digital Hate
Empowering Pacific Islander Communities (EPIC) Face the Music Collective
Fair Vote UK
Free Press Friends of the Earth
Gender Equity Policy Institute
GLAAD
Global Project Against Hate and Extremism Indivisible Northern Nevada
Kairos Media Matters for America
MediaJustice
NARAL Pro-Choice America
National Hispanic Media Coalition
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice Reproaction
Stop Online Violence Against Women Inc
The Sparrow Project
UltraViolet
Union of Concerned Scientists
V-Day/One Billion Rising
Women’s March

Was there that kind if coordination in regards to Anheuser-Busch?

Look at A.Vindman who got caught pushing the Musk talking points.


I disagree and I think what I brought up about Musk is relevant considering their latest attempt to try to get advertisers to stop advertising on X all from a post from Musk that wasn't antisemitic as they claimed it was.

The Proud Boys, Moms of Liberty, and all those upstanding likeminded organizations did boycott Bud Light.

If this is accurate then why don't we seem the same type of campaigns to stop advertising on Instagram, Facebook, Tiki Tik etc? I don’t see the same kind of attention for Zuckerberg or others. Considering its coming from the ADL and the Tech Transparency Project, I doubt it's accurate.


Look who funds the Tech Transparency Project. Billionaires Soros & Omidyar.

SaintForLife said:

If this is accurate then why don't we seem the same type of campaigns to stop advertising on Instagram, Facebook, Tiki Tik etc? I don’t see the same kind of attention for Zuckerberg or others. Considering its coming from the ADL and the Tech Transparency Project, I doubt it's accurate.

From Nazi propaganda to Holocaust denial, social media is pushing hate on users: study

The world’s biggest social media platforms are not just hosting antisemitic and hateful content, they are promoting it and making it easier to find.

www.usatoday.com

Look who funds the Tech Transparency Project. Billionaires Soros & Omidyar.

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You don't buy the notion that there is a rise in antisemitism on social media because of a report by the ADL (a Jewish organization) and the Open Sources Foundation (founded by a Jewish man). Please tell me you understand how this looks.

Neworleansfan said:

The Proud Boys, Moms of Liberty, and all those upstanding likeminded organizations did boycott Bud Light.

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In addition to Fox News getting in on the action and I'm sure the other right wing networks as well.

cuddlemonkey said:

You don't buy the notion that there is a rise in antisemitism on social media because of a report by the ADL (a Jewish organization) and the Open Sources Foundation (founded by a Jewish man). Please tell me you understand how this looks.

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Only RW sources are accurate.

cuddlemonkey said:

You don't buy the notion that there is a rise in antisemitism on social media because of a report by the ADL (a Jewish organization) and the Open Sources Foundation (founded by a Jewish man). Please tell me you understand how this looks.

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Are you insinuating that I'm racist because I don't know if that report from the ADL and the Tech Transparency Project is accurate?

I said that because the ADL and the Tech Transparency Project push for censorship online and not because they are Jewish. That's a disgusting thing for you to insinuate and I will be ignoring you from now on.

SaintForLife said:

Are you insinuating that I'm racist because I don't know if that report from the ADL and the Tech Transparency Project is accurate?

I said that because the ADL and the Tech Transparency Project push for censorship online and not because they are Jewish. That's a disgusting thing for you to insinuate and I will be ignoring you from now on.

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Careful up there on your high horse. I never called you anything. I asked if you were aware of the optics of trashing two groups heavily associated with the Jewish faith for their report on antisemitism.

So much dishonesty here. This is what Musk agreed with:

In the tweet posted Wednesday, Musk endorsed a verified account named @breakingbaht, which wrote, “Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.”


Musk responded: “You have said the actual truth.”

This has been posted multiple times in this thread. Yet SFL still claims he doesn’t know what people think is anti-Semitic about Musk.

It’s not the only time Musk has boosted anti-Semitic conspiracies. Or agreed with them.

SFL is also extremely selective about who he believes. If the person or source agrees with him, well no skepticism is warranted. If they don’t agree with him they are assumed to be lying. It’s completely obvious to everyone.

SaintForLife said:

Are you insinuating that I'm racist because I don't know if that report from the ADL and the Tech Transparency Project is accurate?

I said that because the ADL and the Tech Transparency Project push for censorship online and not because they are Jewish. That's a disgusting thing for you to insinuate and I will be ignoring you from now on.

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Imo I think you're probably reading too much into what he said there.. but just curious, do you have this same sort of energy for people like DeSantis and Co. who straight up called anyone who for any reason opposed the "Don't Say Gay" law, a "groomer"?

bdb13 said:

Imo I think you're probably reading too much into what he said there.. but just curious, do you have this same sort of energy for people like DeSantis and Co. who straight up called anyone who for any reason opposed the "Don't Say Gay" law, a "groomer"?

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Why don't you tell me what he was insinuating then.

Same sort of energy? He insinuated I was racist. I'm not sure why your mind went to DeSantis. Besides that was only called a don't say gay law by people on the left. It doesn't say anything about don't say gay. That was just dishonest framing by the left similar to the supposed new Jim Crow law in Georgia where it actually expanded voter access and has enhanced voter turnout across all categories.

SaintForLife said:

Why don't you tell me what he was insinuating then.

Same sort of energy? He insinuated I was racist. I'm not sure why your mind went to DeSantis. Besides that was only called a don't say gay law by people on the left. It doesn't say anything about don't say gay. That was just dishonest framing by the left similar to the supposed new Jim Crow law in Georgia where it actually expanded voter access and has enhanced voter turnout across all categories.

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Omg man.. ugh.. I can't do this.

MT15 said:

So much dishonesty here. This is what Musk agreed with:

In the tweet posted Wednesday, Musk endorsed a verified account named @breakingbaht, which wrote, “Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.”


Musk responded: “You have said the actual truth.”

This has been posted multiple times in this thread. Yet SFL still claims he doesn’t know what people think is anti-Semitic about Musk.

It’s not the only time Musk has boosted anti-Semitic conspiracies. Or agreed with them.

SFL is also extremely selective about who he believes. If the person or source agrees with him, well no skepticism is warranted. If they don’t agree with him they are assumed to be lying. It’s completely obvious to everyone.

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I know exactly what he said. What I've asked multiple times is how is what Musk said antisemitic? Be specific and the weak attempt at linking that shooter with what Musk said by that Atlantic writer is BS. Is any criticism of Isreal or Isrealis antisemitic?

Why are you so obsessed with Musk? I don't see you complain about Zuckerberg like you do daily with Musk. You can't still be upset that he ruined the left's censorship machine in Twitter right?