All Things LGBTQ+ (3 Viewers)

coldseat said:

Well, I'm a G and I and all of my other LGB friends are comfortable associating with and being lumped together with T. It's been that way since we had an LGBT movement.

Moreover, we're offended at these attempts to separate us from the T's by the same people that harass and discriminate against the rest of the LGB.

These divide and concur attempts aren't the least bit convincing. We've already seen what happens when they successfully target and discriminate against T's ... they target the rest of the LGB after. Just look at every Republican controlled state right now. It's already happening. So, fork all those that try to separate us.

Maybe the people offended by being lumped into POC should learn that lesson as well, because it definitely happens.

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I'm responding in support and agreement just to make that clear.

A friend of mine who happens to have physically transitioned (hope I got that right, fortunately my friend understands that my learning curve is not disrespect) called me Sunday night after she got back home for a Pride event in Hollywood. She had a great time and felt comfortable and accepted. So that's my limited experience with the question of LGB being accepted of T. My friend was born intersex, I. I think it's great that these communities keep expanding their community to include others. I think it's great that it's now LGBTQIA+.

I look forward to the day that they bring so many diverse people into a unified community that the name is changed to H for human.

el caliente said:

...but a few of them took issue with Ts, and how they are forcing their acceptance of (his words) a mental disorder.

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I hope that someone pointed out to them that just a few decades ago homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

coldseat said:

I know of people like that too, especially here in Texas. I don't get it either. I've tried having online conversation with people like that and it's the same as interacting with any other Trump supporter, a whole bunch of scrambled lies, misinformation and conspiracies. There's just a significant group of people in this country that have damaged brains, is all I can come up with.

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I think it's about emotional damage, not brain damage.

MT15 said:

I think that sometimes people vote for politicians who either don’t like their demographic, or will actively work to hurt them, due to fear and identity politics. They want to identify with the group in power, not the group they actually belong to. This works for economic status more so than race, I think. Even though their economic situation isn’t great, they don’t want other people getting ahead, because they are the deserving ones. Just basically musing on this.

The rage that people feel when they think someone else is getting preferential treatment is a powerful thing. It doesn’t have to be true, just perceived.

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Isn’t that what Lyndon B Johnson said when he said “If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

LA - L.A. said:

I hope that someone pointed out to them that just a few decades ago homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

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Who knows, maybe someone in their group called them out on that, but I wasn’t going to tell them who they needed to be accepting of.

el caliente said:

Perhaps these cases of people voting against their best interests (whatever we on the outside perceive those to be) is more a testament to how bad things are with our electoral process than we care to believe.

What would draw people to vote against their best interests other than the other options having some problems of their own?

I am really enjoying this conversation btw.

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Emotional dysfunction and we all deal with it to some degree. It's the same reason that sometimes we don't seek medical care when we should, don't follow medical advice when we should, or procrastinate when we should.

There's a lot more emotional dysfunction going around than there is actual stupid. Maybe you can't fix stupid, but we can provide the tools for people to heal their emotional dysfunction. I'm convinced that we aren't allowed to do that, because a handful of people would lose a lot of money and manipulative influence that they have over us masses.

el caliente said:

Isn’t that what Lyndon B Johnson said when he said “If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

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yeah, sort of. He was talking about the Republican Southern Strategy, wasn’t he?

But it also works on more than just race, I think.

el caliente said:

Who knows, maybe someone in their group called them out on that, but I wasn’t going to tell them who they needed to be accepting of.

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How would informing someone of a historical fact have been telling them who they need to be accepting of?

LA - L.A. said:

How would informing someone of a historical fact have been telling them who they need to be accepting of?

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In such a setting (where I was a guest), I wasn’t going to tell people about their own history.

I’m not usually very accepting of Falcons fans coming on SR.com and telling me how the Saints history is full of crap, so I can only imagine the type of reception I would receive in telling a marginalized people their history.

Perhaps you have bigger stones than I do.

Bigdaddysaints said:

I know plenty of people who live off the govt tit that are avid Republican supporters and backup the cut as much gov't assistance as possible line, and actually repeat it because in their mind, theirs is deserved while the "welfare queens" don't.

Look at owner of Rouses, he's gay and he was at the Capitol in Jan 6th, supporting the ones who wouldn't lose any sleep if being gay was a death penalty.

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This is what gets me about that welfare attitude

If you're well off your whole life and you view all people on welfare as "moochers" that's one thing (still a bad thing but okay)

But if something happens to you and you now find yourself on welfare you have no greater appreciation or empathy for them or their situation, they are still "moochers" but not you, no sir, you're different

There are people on welfare who still say that they're just going through a rough patch (a years/decade long rough patch, but just a patch)

They are nothing like THOSE people on welfare thank you very much

el caliente said:

In such a setting (where I was a guest), I wasn’t going to tell people about their own history.

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It's all of our history, not just theirs and it's a stain on our history.

el caliente said:

I’m not usually very accepting of Falcons fans coming on SR.com and telling me how the Saints history is full of crap, so I can only imagine the type of reception I would receive in telling a marginalized people their history.

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Again, it's not "their" history it's "our" history. They were they one's most hurt by that piece of our history, but that doesn't make it their history.

el caliente said:

Perhaps you have bigger stones than I do.

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It doesn't have anything to do with the size of anyone's "stones." It's easy to point it out in a non-confrontational way.

Anheuser-Busch InBev’s Bud Light has lost its top spot in the US beer market to Constellation Brands’ Modelo Especial, after a backlash from conservatives over a social media promotion with the transgender influencer Dylan Mulvaney.

Sales of Bud Light and Budweiser dropped 24.6% and 9.2%, respectively, for the four weeks ended 3 June from a year earlier, while Modelo Especial sales rose 10.2%, according to the consulting company Bump Williams, which sources data from NielsenIQ.…..

el caliente said:

Perhaps these cases of people voting against their best interests (whatever we on the outside perceive those to be) is more a testament to how bad things are with our electoral process than we care to believe.

What would draw people to vote against their best interests other than the other options having some problems of their own?

I am really enjoying this conversation btw.

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One of my favorite quotes from my Lord and Saviour Christopher Hitchens: in the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you'll need religion.

Indoctrination is a powerful tool. It has nothing to do with the electoral process, but with what people want to believe in, and what they are made to believe in.

coldseat said:

This is so much crap. Where do you think trans adults come from? Do you think they just appear out of thin air? No, they grow up a as children as well. Usually children who are bullied and accosted by straight (or gay/straight acting) adults and kids because they are different. All trans adults want is for kids who are trans to grow up in a safe environment without the same harassment, vitriol and discrimination that they had to deal with as children. You aren't protecting children with this backwards mentality, you're hurting trans kids and teaching straight and gay/straight acting children that it's okay to discriminate and bully against kids who are different.

You also give license to hateful and suspicious adults to question and harass girls in sports by forcing them to prove their gender (through physical examination and medical history) whenever their physique doesn't compart with their twisted expectations. So you have that feather in you cap as well.

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Well said.

I want to add something as well. There's nothing recent here. Transgender people have been around and living their lives this whole time. The WPATH standards of care for the health of transgender and gender diverse people were first published in 1979. Transgender children have been receiving healthcare in our societies for decades. Here's an article from 2008: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2008/aug/14/children.youngpeople

Sport? Transgender people have been able to compete in multiple sports for decades. They've been able to play in the WTA since the 70s. Eligible for the Olympics since 2004. Sporting authorities drew up, and revised, guidelines for competing based on scientific evidence and taking into account both inclusion and competitive fairness. The supposed issues people were complaining about here weren't real issues; it was all being dealt with appropriately already. There was never any real prospect of other women being unable to compete with transgender women in women's sports.

What has happened recently is transgender people being used as a target for a culture war. Other people then assume it must be a recent issue, because they are only hearing about it recently. But they're being played. That's just not the reality.

And I'll add that both those issues are important: healthcare for children, surely that doesn't need explaining? And sports is important because inclusion is important. If a group is excluded from one part of life based on who they're declared to be, that doesn't stop in that one area. The same bigotry that drives that doesn't stop there. It's not just about the outcome; it's about the forces driving the outcome, the principles they're operating on.

And that principle applies more broadly. When a minority is targeted, and that's pandered to instead of being opposed, it doesn't stop at that minority.

The more polictical attacks on LGBTQ community, the more it brings out guys like this.

Man gets 18 years in federal prison for shooting, plan to rid Montana town of LGBTQ residents​

A southwestern Montana man has been sentenced to 18 years in federal prison after being convicted of a hate crime and firearms charges for threatening a woman with violent, homophobic slurs and shooting at her house with an assault rifle as part of a self-described “mission” to rid a small town of its LGBTQ community.

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After shooting into the house of a woman who is a lesbian, nearly hitting her, prosecutors said Howald started walking into the town of Basin to target others he perceived to be lesbian, queer and gay, prosecutors said. He was armed with two assault rifles, a hunting rifle, two pistols and multiple high-capacity magazines that were taped together to speed reloading, court records said.

Local residents who were leaving church that Sunday and knew Howald were able to stall him long enough for a sheriff's deputy to respond. One resident inadvertently recorded Howald yelling and firing more rounds with the same rifle while expressing his hatred toward the community's gay and lesbian residents and his plan to “clean” them from the town of about 270 residents, prosecutors said.

When the deputy arrived, Howald pointed the assault rifle at him, nearly starting a shootout. Howald then fled into the hills, court records said.
Officers arrested Howald the next day. The weapons and ammunition were found in searches of his car and camper, prosecutors said.

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And his lawyer had the nerve to say this:

“At his core, Howald is not a crusading bigot, who is hell bent for leather on wiping lesbians from the Earth," Stephens said in his sentencing memo.

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el caliente said:

Perhaps these cases of people voting against their best interests (whatever we on the outside perceive those to be) is more a testament to how bad things are with our electoral process than we care to believe.

What would draw people to vote against their best interests other than the other options having some problems of their own?

I am really enjoying this conversation btw.

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Incumbent said:

I know of a guy who is openly gay and a very avid Trump supporter and far right adherent. He and his husband own a business in a major metro area and he's originally from a small, very conservative, town. I can easily imagine what he grew up around because I have family from that area. No group is monolithic and he's obviously free to believe as he wishes, but he's aligned with people who pose a very real threat to the life he lives. I certainly don't think anybody should rest easy that marriage equality is settled law at this point, or that it can't get worse from there.

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The list of food brands that conservatives are refusing to purchase because they’re too LGBTQ+ got quite a bit longer this week after transgender influencer Dylan Mulvaney had her picture taken with Tony the Tiger. Now many on the right are calling for a boycott of Kellogg’s, the cereal brand.

The offending picture took place at the Tony Awards this past Sunday. Mulvaney, in a Christian Siriano gown, almost walked into a person in a Tony the Tiger costume. Tony the Tiger is the mascot for the Kellogg’s breakfast cereal Frosted Flakes............

Conservatines: I'm tired of all these millenials who want to cancel everything that offends them
Also Conservatives : Here is a list of all the products and business we have to cancel because they agree with equality...