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    Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

    Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.


    VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

    But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

    Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

    There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.






     
    honestly surprised by this high %
    however, India and China seem to be increasing their imports, so it is being offset somewhat
     
    I guess they had to fire the reporter since they can't fire the unnamed intelligence official. Most of the blame should be placed on that unnamed intelligence official since we know the CIA uses the press to push propaganda. The reporter shares some blame due to not getting confirmation from other sources.

    It is good that they issue corrections, but in most cases the damage is already done. Those corrections don't ever come close to reaching as many people as the original incorrect story. For example, here is the original article. It got 32,100 likes & 12,900 retweets:



    The correction got 410 likes and 290 retweets.


    That doesn't even include the individual Twiiter accounts which is far greater. I doubt Anne Applebaum, David Frum, Jennifer Rubin, Asha Rangappa types retweeted the corrections.
     
    SFL: You wouldn’t be correct, I only checked Applebaum because I am not wasting any more time than that on your baseless accusations, and she had immediately tweeted out the findings on the origin of the missile 6 days ago.

    Just comparing the spread of the original tweet with the correction tweet isn’t comparing apples to apples because all of the news organizations had already filed new stories with the corrected information as soon as it was made available. You would need to add the spread of the correction tweet with the exposure of all the other updated stories written with the correct information.

    What evidence do you have that this was some sort of conspiracy from the CIA? Common sense should prevail here. The Polish perspective first put out was that it was a Russian missile, and before the intelligence community got eyes on the scene it’s far more likely that the official was just repeating what the Polish perspective was. The CIA and everyone else knew that as soon as the scene was analyzed we would know the origin of the missile. It doesn’t make a lick of sense to think they would try to put out false information purposefully when they knew the truth would come out very quickly.

    Common sense, SFL, not some grand conspiracy everywhere. I don’t know why you hate the US so much, but it’s painful to see it twist you into a pretzel.
     
    ...Common sense, SFL, not some grand conspiracy everywhere. I don’t know why you hate the US so much, but it’s painful to see it twist you into a pretzel.
    You know, the really stupid part of this whole "CIA trying to start some shirt" thought process is the fact that if they really wanted do something to spark a NATO response, it would be easier to conduct such an operation than the one idiots are pointing to with the Poland strike.

    All the "CIA" would have to do is launch a Russian made missile from Russian soil into Poland. They have access to all sorts of Russian ordnance from several current NATO countries and the Russian western borders are all compromised due to their "special operation". No 4D chess required!
     
    SFL: You wouldn’t be correct, I only checked Applebaum because I am not wasting any more time than that on your baseless accusations, and she had immediately tweeted out the findings on the origin of the missile 6 days ago.

    Just comparing the spread of the original tweet with the correction tweet isn’t comparing apples to apples because all of the news organizations had already filed new stories with the corrected information as soon as it was made available. You would need to add the spread of the correction tweet with the exposure of all the other updated stories written with the correct information.

    What evidence do you have that this was some sort of conspiracy from the CIA? Common sense should prevail here. The Polish perspective first put out was that it was a Russian missile, and before the intelligence community got eyes on the scene it’s far more likely that the official was just repeating what the Polish perspective was. The CIA and everyone else knew that as soon as the scene was analyzed we would know the origin of the missile. It doesn’t make a lick of sense to think they would try to put out false information purposefully when they knew the truth would come out very quickly.

    Common sense, SFL, not some grand conspiracy everywhere. I don’t know why you hate the US so much, but it’s painful to see it twist you into a pretzel.
    Who was the unnamed intelligence official in the original article? I'm not asking about a name. Do you think he was CIA? If so do you think he put that propaganda out on his own or was it approved from someone above him? If it wasn't CIA then who was it?

    You think the unnamed official was just repeating what Poland said? 😆 You cant be serious. You are going to have to come up with better spin than that.

    I don't hate the US. I hate our foreign policy and war machine. It's quite evident that believe all of the US war propaganda.

    I must say I am surprised that the CIA linked Anne Applebaum shared the corrections, but she quickly pivoted and still indirectly blamed the missile on Russia.
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    You know, the really stupid part of this whole "CIA trying to start some shirt" thought process is the fact that if they really wanted do something to spark a NATO response, it would be easier to conduct such an operation than the one idiots are pointing to with the Poland strike.

    All the "CIA" would have to do is launch a Russian made missile from Russian soil into Poland. They have access to all sorts of Russian ordnance from several current NATO countries and the Russian western borders are all compromised due to their "special operation". No 4D chess required!
    Like blowing up Russia's pipeline?
     
    Who was the unnamed intelligence official in the original article? I'm not asking about a name. Do you think he was CIA? If so do you think he put that propaganda out on his own or was it approved from someone above him? If it wasn't CIA then who was it?

    You think the unnamed official was just repeating what Poland said? 😆 You cant be serious. You are going to have to come up with better spin than that.

    I don't hate the US. I hate our foreign policy and war machine. It's quite evident that believe all of the US war propaganda.

    I must say I am surprised that the CIA linked Anne Applebaum shared the corrections, but she quickly pivoted and still indirectly blamed the missile on Russia.
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    Your position would be that the Ukrainians are most responsible for the situation in which this occurred and not the Russians? That the country under attack and attempting to defend itself from ongoing attacks is more responsible than the aggressor who started the war and who is launching those attacks?
     
    Your position would be that the Ukrainians are most responsible for the situation in which this occurred and not the Russians? That the country under attack and attempting to defend itself from ongoing attacks is more responsible than the aggressor who started the war and who is launching those attacks?
    Russia deserves the legal and moral blame for invading Ukraine. The US has been in a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine since 2014. I wouldn't blame Ukraine for defending their country. I would blame Ukraine's leaders for allowing themselves to be used by the US in their proxy war with Russia.
     
    Russia deserves the legal and moral blame for invading Ukraine. The US has been in a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine since 2014. I wouldn't blame Ukraine for defending their country. I would blame Ukraine's leaders for allowing themselves to be used by the US in their proxy war with Russia.
    I don't understand your issue with that headline then if you hold Russia responsible as the aggressor.
     
    Serious question: Why should I trust Glenn Greenwald more than the CIA?
    Seriously, the biggest case of confirmation bias I have ever seen. One person can allege something SFL wants to believe and it’s an incontrovertible fact.
     
    Russia deserves the legal and moral blame for invading Ukraine. The US has been in a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine since 2014. I wouldn't blame Ukraine for defending their country. I would blame Ukraine's leaders for allowing themselves to be used by the US in their proxy war with Russia.

    Just what the hell else do you think they should do? Roll over and let the orcs rape and murder their way to a genocide? Proxy war or not, Ukraine deserves our support, their leadership deserves our support.

    Once the orc army is pushed all the way out, then UKR leadership can address if and how they've been manipulated.

    Make no mistake though, if there's been a proxy war, it was started by Russia and Russia alone deserves the consequences of their barbaric actions.

    The West sure's hell didn't force the Russians into bombing civilians, murdering families and stealing children for chrissake.

    I can't imagine why QAnon is so quiet about that. Here we have provable child trafficking on a massive scale, right out in the open, no "Elites" or Reptilians or conspiracies, the Russians are just packing Ukrainian kids up and shipping them off. If Q was anything but a hoax, they'd be losing their freaking minds and insisting we do something about it.

    But no, by and large the Q-diots are siding with the child stealers. Get that through the cognitive dissonance, eh? The Right supports child trafficking and child traffickers...provided they donate heavily to the NRA.
     
    I don't understand your issue with that headline then if you hold Russia responsible as the aggressor.
    My issue with the headline is she finds a way to blame Russia even when they weren't involved in that incident.

    Are you aware that Anne Applebaum is on the board for the CIA linked National Endowment for Democracy?
     
    Seriously, the biggest case of confirmation bias I have ever seen. One person can allege something SFL wants to believe and it’s an incontrovertible fact.
    Says the person who posts stuff from the David Frum, Asha Rangappa, Bill Krystol, Jennifer Rubinn etc. You love all the neocons and CNN analysts.
     
    My issue with the headline is she finds a way to blame Russia even when they weren't involved in that incident.

    Are you aware that Anne Applebaum is on the board for the CIA linked National Endowment for Democracy?
    No I wasn't aware and you cannot separate Russia from the incident, they are inherently involved.

    They are most responsible as they are the aggressor and started this war and this situation would have not occurred if Ukraine was not having to defend itself from invasion.
     

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