What happens to the Republican Party now? (5 Viewers)

SteveSBrickNJ said:

Possibly when posters on here use the word "destroy" they are referring to things that have nothing to do with Energy Dependency vs Energy Self Sufficiency.....Economic Stability....Strong Military.
Yup....they are not worried about Republicans on those issues.
Probably when they say "Republicans want to DESTROY our country from within" they are referring to Supreme Court stuff. Abortion. Same sex marriage. Things of that nature. That's possibly the "destroy" fears that are in their minds?

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We're referring to A: lying about the results of a fair and legitimate election. Thus degrading confidence in our elections, degrading confidence in America itself. And B: leading a gosh darned armed insurrection and pretending it was just a regular *tour* when the coup failed.
Things of that nature are what we're talking about and by those lights, YES Republicans absolutely are trying to destroy America. There's no doubt about it.

Taurus said:

We're referring to A: lying about the results of a fair and legitimate election. Thus degrading confidence in our elections, degrading confidence in America itself. And B: leading a gosh darned armed insurrection and pretending it was just a regular *tour* when the coup failed.
Things of that nature are what we're talking about and by those lights, YES Republicans absolutely are trying to destroy America. There's no doubt about it.

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Yeah, until a solid majority of the Republican Party denounces Trump and what happened at 1/6, the party is bent on destroying the political system of our country.

Taurus said:

We're referring to A: lying about the results of a fair and legitimate election. Thus degrading confidence in our elections, degrading confidence in America itself. And B: leading a gosh darned armed insurrection and pretending it was just a regular *tour* when the coup failed.
Things of that nature are what we're talking about and by those lights, YES Republicans absolutely are trying to destroy America. There's no doubt about it.

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Well said…..I would also add:

C: removing the federal right to abortions and other medical services that are critical to a woman’s health and SC justices openly lying about how Roe is “settled law” in their confirmation hearings….whilst 65%-70% of this country’s population are opposed….going against the will of people in this country because Christian fascists are now bending the laws of the land to their will…

D: Red states creating laws that will restrict voting and voting rights and even worse setting up sham electors if the R’s lose in those states…..creating “solutions” for problems that don’t exist….



F the R party….will never vote for a R again…..maybe one day some of them will wake up and realize they will be on the wrong side of history….

SteveSBrickNJ said:

And one more thing.
Trump and his minions have popularized the four letters RINO (Republicans In Name Only)
That's quite a successful marketing of something that is arse-backwards
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MY POST yesterday about my still adhering to the way Ronald Reagan viewed our country. MY POST above that I've quoted here...THESE ARE the Republican Principles that are historically true.
In the "Trump World" people who don't align themselves with HIM are not Real Republicans.
I would submit, that people who DO align themselves with Trump...THEY are the RINOS....or more accurately: RFTO is what they should be called R=Republicans F=For T=Trump O=Only

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THE MOVE AWAY FROM TRUMP WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.... @DaveXA

SteveSBrickNJ said:

THE MOVE AWAY FROM TRUMP WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.... @DaveXA

GOP race for Arizona governor becomes 2024 proxy war as Ducey defies Trump

In a last major test of Donald Trump’s Republican power this year, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey endorsed a potential successor who’s going up against Trump's pick.

www.yahoo.com

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The move away from Trump himself is meaningless as long as the R Party pushes people who are following his playbook and have refused to call him out for his crimes. Not only have the majority of R politicians refused to call him out, they still support his lies openly. It’s a deep moral rot. Getting rid of the man won’t cure the moral rot. IMO anyway.

The R party is now the party of choice for actual fascists. Getting rid of Trump won’t solve that.

MT15 said:

The move away from Trump himself is meaningless as long as the R Party pushes people who are following his playbook and have refused to call him out for his crimes. Not only have the majority of R politicians refused to call him out, they still support his lies openly. It’s a deep moral rot. Getting rid of the man won’t cure the moral rot. IMO anyway.

The R party is now the party of choice for actual fascists. Getting rid of Trump won’t solve that.

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You keep moving the goal post.
It's a waste of time to talk to you.

SteveSBrickNJ said:

You keep moving the goal post.
It's a waste of time to talk to you.

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So if the R party moves on from Trump, without ever acknowledging their complicity, that’s okay with you? Sorry, not sorry, they will not have regained my respect.

Also, it isn’t moving the goalposts to respond to the egregious assault the R party is currently committing on womens’ rights, free speech, freedom to travel, accurate education, and LBGTQ rights. They have moved into some truly dark territory here.

To wit: this is not the party of “freedom”. It’s authoritarian by its very nature.

MT15 said:

The move away from Trump himself is meaningless as long as the R Party pushes people who are following his playbook and have refused to call him out for his crimes. Not only have the majority of R politicians refused to call him out, they still support his lies openly. It’s a deep moral rot. Getting rid of the man won’t cure the moral rot. IMO anyway.

The R party is now the party of choice for actual fascists. Getting rid of Trump won’t solve that.

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I will recommend this topic for some people

SteveSBrickNJ said:

THE MOVE AWAY FROM TRUMP WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.... @DaveXA

GOP race for Arizona governor becomes 2024 proxy war as Ducey defies Trump

In a last major test of Donald Trump’s Republican power this year, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey endorsed a potential successor who’s going up against Trump's pick.

www.yahoo.com

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Eh, it's not enough to just move away from Trump. They have to admit they made a mistake in supporting him and they have stop supporting Trumper candidates. Also, I don't see many supporting the 1/6 hearings going on right now. Everyone involved in that mess needs to be held accountable.

SteveSBrickNJ said:

Maybe.
It's just that I am tired of reading posts here that say: "Republicans WANT TO DESTROY our country".
So riduculous.
Republicans are PEOPLE not monsters.
PEOPLE tend to act in ways that will make their lives better.
Most people do things that are in their self interest.
DESTROYING our country is not going to make my life or other Republican's lives better.
We don't want to "destroy" the country.
We want to get gasoline that came out the our country's ground or USA waters...not relying on gas from the Gulf, Russia or Venezula.
We want to keep more of our money.
We want to be respected across the globe for having a strong military.
Aside from national security (Federal Responsibility) we want more local government control
I want a strong, economically prosperous America.

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Your problem, @SteveSBrickNJ, is that you think the Republican party of today is the Republican party you remember. It is not. The republican party you remember had some sense of honor and shame. That Republican party no longer exists. The Republican party of today is treasonous and full of hypocrisy and yes, they are trying to destroy the country. They're trying to destroy it in hopes of bringing forth the birth of a new more facists America where only republicans win elections, only non-republicans have to obey laws and only republican approved religions have any kind of religious freedoms.

I guess my question to you is why do you still call yourself a Republican if you don't share the philosophy of current Republicans?

Pennsylvania Republicans are advancing a measure that, if approved by voters in a referendum, would alter the state's constitution to explicitly deny the right to an abortion.

On Friday, the state voted along party lines 28-22 to approve a package of proposed amendments to the Pennsylvania constitution, including a last-minute addition that would require voters to show identification at polling places, not just – as under existing law – when they register to vote.

zztop said:

Pennsylvania Republicans move forward on last-minute measure to explicitly strip abortion rights from state constitution as reproductive rights take center stage in heated gubernatorial race

The proposed amendment states that there is no right to an abortion in Pennsylvania or obligation for the state to fund the medical procedure.

www.businessinsider.com

Pennsylvania Republicans are advancing a measure that, if approved by voters in a referendum, would alter the state's constitution to explicitly deny the right to an abortion.

On Friday, the state voted along party lines 28-22 to approve a package of proposed amendments to the Pennsylvania constitution, including a last-minute addition that would require voters to show identification at polling places, not just – as under existing law – when they register to vote.

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If this passes, the Blue Massacre is assured. If this doesn't get Dem voters off their arses, nothing will.

Taurus said:

If this passes, the Blue Massacre is assured. If this doesn't get Dem voters off their arses, nothing will.

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Yeah, I mean, the SCOTUS decision should be enough on it's own, but this is wild. The lines in the sand have been drawn for a while now. It's time to put up or shut up in the ballot box.

Taurus said:

If this passes, the Blue Massacre is assured. If this doesn't get Dem voters off their arses, nothing will.

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If what I read is correct, voters won’t see this until at least 2023-2024. It has to pass the legislature twice, which right now it just got voted out of committee. So the entire legislature has to pass it 2 years in a row, then it goes on the ballot after that.

But I do agree, voters need to respond, they’re telling us what they want to do.

GrandAdmiral said:

It's the same really. It's the reason why New Orleans is trying its damnest to get an extension on the FEMA money from Katrina that has yet to be spent. There were projects they couldn't use the funds for and the projects that were approved have been slow to come to fruition. They have to get an extension (again) or the feds are taking that money back.

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Yesterday on my drive from New Orleans to Houston i passed that water pump off the I-10 (you know, the one by the New Orleans/Metairie boarder. The one that was evacuated and not turned on before Katrina hit). There was flooding on the shoulder of the I-10 no more than 40 ft from that said pump.

It’s sad to say, but giving money to the city (especially this administration) is just throwing good money after bad.

What projects are the city trying to bring online?

Good article on the issue with Republicans beyond Donald Trump (and before Trump)
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On Tuesday, the venerable Gallup organization reported that just 27 percent of Americans expressed confidence in their institutions — the lowest level of trust since the questions were first asked half a century ago.


On Wednesday, Mitch McConnell showed us why Americans feel this way.


Republican senators announced that, under orders from the Senate Republican leader, they were pulling out of House-Senate talks finalizing details on bipartisan legislation to help the United States compete with China on semiconductor chips.

It wasn’t because McConnell objected to the China bill; he was one of 19 Republican senators who voted for the Senate’s version.

It’s because he objects to a second, unrelated bill Democrats are working on to lower prescription drug prices.
McConnell wants to stop Democrats, including Sen. Joe Manchin III (W.Va.), from using a process known as “reconciliation” to pass that prescription-drug bill by a simple majority vote, immune from any GOP filibuster.

And to stop Americans from getting cheaper prescriptions, he is willing to sabotage American manufacturers (and therefore assist China) by denying them $52 billion in support under the U.S. Innovation and Competition Act.


In both cases, Americans lose — because McConnell thinks it’s to Republicans’ advantage in the midterm elections. He is willing to hurt the country, and help the Chinese, in order to harm Democrats’ political standing.


“Let me be perfectly clear: there will be no bipartisan USICA as long as Democrats are pursuing a partisan reconciliation bill,” he tweeted.

And let me be perfectly clear: This cynicism has destroyed Americans’ faith in their government….

That’s backed up by other data. Two decades ago, just 5 percent cited the government as the most important problem facing the country.

That reached 32 percent for 2019, and has remained at or above 20 percent for the years since then.
This is no accident.

For three decades, as the Republicans transitioned from a limited-government party to an anti-government party, GOP leaders have seen political advantage in undermining Americans’ confidence in their institutions, and in sabotaging the functions of government.

That’s a major theme of my book, out next month, “The Destructionists: The Twenty-Five-Year Crack-Up of the Republican Party.

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It began with Newt Gingrich’s instructions to Republicans on how to refer to Democrats (and the government) in 1990: “Traitors.” “Corrupt.” “Cheat.” “Decay.” “Failure.” “Incompetent.” “Abuse of power.”

As the era of government shutdowns, default brinkmanship, hostage-taking, name-calling and mindless obstruction was just beginning, Vice President Al Gore presciently remarked: “The Republicans are determined to wreck Congress in order to control it — and then to wreck a presidency in order to recapture it.”……..

Now, we see the fruits of such labors.

After Republicans’ years of throwing sand in the gears of government, just 7 percent have confidence in the legislature and 23 percent in the presidency.

After Republicans’ use of underhanded tactics to secure a highly partisan supermajority on the Supreme Court, just 25 percent have confidence in the high court.

After years of Republicans’ attacks on the media (culminating in Trump’s “enemy of the people” formulation) and after the GOP’s fostering of propaganda outlets such as Fox News, just 11 percent of Americans have confidence in television news (16 percent in newspapers).

They’ve hacked away at public schools (critical race theory! trans athletes!), at the “broken” military and at the criminal justice system (“corrupt” FBI and Justice Department leaders) — and Americans’ trust in those institutions has slipped, too…….

If this kind of thing is frowned upon here let me know I'll delete it.