Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (8 Viewers)

Bigdaddysaints said:

Remember the ones early on in this thread who were saying stuff like no one will be charged wth sedition of anything like that?
This is a we told you so...

Oath Keepers member to plead guilty to sedition in U.S. Capitol attack​

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Someone needs to send this to roofgardener

Bigdaddysaints said:

Remember the ones early on in this thread who were saying stuff like no one will be charged wth sedition of anything like that?
This is a we told you so...

Oath Keepers member to plead guilty to sedition in U.S. Capitol attack​

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Here's hoping that they are working their way up to charging members of congress as well. I have the patience, I just hope the DoJ's will to continue their investigation doesn't break. Whether it be next week or years from now, there are several members of congress that are more guilty than this supposed "patriot".

A federal judge said Tuesday he is still “very seriously contemplating” the government’s request to reconsider his position on the obstruction charge hundreds of Capitol riot defendants are facing.

To date, U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols is the only judge on the D.C. District Court to dismiss charges of obstructing an official proceeding against any of the more than 700 defendants now charged in the riot. In a March order dismissing the count against Garrett Miller, of Texas, Nichols relied on a narrow reading of the statute — 18 USC § 1512(c)(2) — that would require a defendant to be accused of taking “some action with respect to a document, record or other object” in order to corruptly obstruct the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6.

Nichols stuck to that reading in February when he dismissed the same obstruction charge in the case against another defendant, Pennsylvania police officer Joseph W. Fischer.

None of Nichols’ colleagues on the court have adopted his reading of the law, which was passed as part of a series of post-Enron reforms in 2002. Since his ruling, however, dozens of defendants in other Capitol riot cases have cited Nichols’ decision in motions asking to have the obstruction charges against them thrown out.

At least one of Nichols’ colleagues, U.S. District Judge John Bates, has written an opinion saying he thought Nichols’ interpretation was wrong. And last month, federal prosecutors filed a motion asking Nichols to reconsider his ruling. They argue Nichols incorrectly applied the rule of lenity – a legal principle requiring judges to rule on any ambiguities in the law in a defendant’s favor – because no other judges on the court have found the law unclear.

They also say Nichols' reading of the word "otherwise" in the statute doesn't agree with any other judges on the D.C. District..............

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DJ1BigTymer said:

Here's hoping that they are working their way up to charging members of congress as well. I have the patience, I just hope the DoJ's will to continue their investigation doesn't break. Whether it be next week or years from now, there are several members of congress that are more guilty than this supposed "patriot".

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Yes, i am glad they are taking their time on this. The knee jerk charges like a lot of people wanted wouldn't have stood. they are taking their time and doing it mostly right.

Optimus Prime said:

A federal judge said Tuesday he is still “very seriously contemplating” the government’s request to reconsider his position on the obstruction charge hundreds of Capitol riot defendants are facing.

To date, U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols is the only judge on the D.C. District Court to dismiss charges of obstructing an official proceeding against any of the more than 700 defendants now charged in the riot. In a March order dismissing the count against Garrett Miller, of Texas, Nichols relied on a narrow reading of the statute — 18 USC § 1512(c)(2) — that would require a defendant to be accused of taking “some action with respect to a document, record or other object” in order to corruptly obstruct the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6.

Nichols stuck to that reading in February when he dismissed the same obstruction charge in the case against another defendant, Pennsylvania police officer Joseph W. Fischer.

None of Nichols’ colleagues on the court have adopted his reading of the law, which was passed as part of a series of post-Enron reforms in 2002. Since his ruling, however, dozens of defendants in other Capitol riot cases have cited Nichols’ decision in motions asking to have the obstruction charges against them thrown out.

At least one of Nichols’ colleagues, U.S. District Judge John Bates, has written an opinion saying he thought Nichols’ interpretation was wrong. And last month, federal prosecutors filed a motion asking Nichols to reconsider his ruling. They argue Nichols incorrectly applied the rule of lenity – a legal principle requiring judges to rule on any ambiguities in the law in a defendant’s favor – because no other judges on the court have found the law unclear.

They also say Nichols' reading of the word "otherwise" in the statute doesn't agree with any other judges on the D.C. District..............

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I just read the statute in question, and I have to wonder how this dipshirt got through law school. It's as clear as can be.

Over/Under on times Don Jr. either plead the fifth or said “I don’t recall”?

…..Eric Trump was deposed in 2020 and asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 500 times. Last month, at the attorney general's request, the judge ordered the Trump Organization to comply with subpoenas by Friday............

NY attorney general's office says it's nearly done unraveling Trump's 'Russian nesting doll'

Lawyers for the New York State Attorney General's Office said they are nearly finished with their civil investigation into the Trump Organization, after taking steps to unravel the real estate company's assets that they described as being as complex as a "Russian nesting doll."

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(CNN) - Donald Trump Jr., the son of former President Donald Trump, met on Tuesday with the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection, according to two sources familiar with the meeting.

Trump Jr. was a high-profile surrogate for the Trump campaign and was among the most prominent supporters of his father to push a false narrative about the election results in the period between the 2020 election and January 6, 2021.

Trump Jr. was with the former President backstage outside the White House before his speech at the "Stop the Steal" rally at the Ellipse……


https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/04/politics/donald-trump-jr-january-6-committee/index.html

I remember these claims of “FBI! Antifa!” But didn’t realize there was a specific guy involved. I don’t recall hearing about Epps before
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Of all the lies that the right has pushed about the insurrection attempt, one of the ugliest is that it was a false-flag operation designed to victimize virtuous Donald Trump supporters.

Central to this is Ray Epps, a man widely depicted as a federal agent who deviously manipulated Trump supporters into storming the Capitol.


Now the New York Times has obtained new evidence debunking this claim.

This undercuts a key right-wing propaganda trope about the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol that the right has pushed for nearly a year.


But this saga also exposes the falsity of a larger right-wing deception campaign: that Jan. 6 actually reveals the profound corruption of our legal and political institutions, from law enforcement to Congress.

This spectacular up-is-down agitprop has been central to the whole story that the right tells about the post-Trump era.

The tale of Epps and the alleged false-flag operation started circulating after video surfaced showing him seeming to mobilize Trump supporters to enter the Capitol.

A conspiracy theory took hold: Epps was not subsequently arrested, meaning he might have been an FBI agent planted to stir up Trump supporters into breaking the law.


There’s a lot more to this “theory,” all of which has been comprehensively debunked by Post fact checker Glenn Kessler. The short version:

Epps never urged violence. He was interviewed by the FBI like others present on Jan. 6. His lawyer flatly declares he isn’t an FBI agent.

He personally told this to the House committee examining Jan. 6. And there’s zero evidence to the contrary…….

There is still so much "it was Antifa". Man, you gotta love an orignaiztion that had been planning this for so long that all these people who stormed the capital had went so far as to make make Faceook pages pretending to be MAGA supporters years before it was even a thing, way back in like 2009 or so just waiting for a situation like this happen so they could pounce... Most of those people had Pro-conservative and anti Obama posts for years before this happened.. Thats what i call dedication..lol, Thats what you call DEEP COVER!

Not sure if this is the best thread for this
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We will not tolerate actions that go against the fundamental principles of the oath we share, including actions associated with extremist or dissident ideologies. Service members, DoD civilian employees, and all those who support our mission, deserve an environment free of discrimination, hate, and harassment.
— Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, Extremism Stand-Down Memo, Feb 5, 2021

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When the new secretary of defense ordered a DOD-wide stand-down to discuss the problem of extremism in the ranks in February 2021, he almost certainly didn't have U.S. Army First Lt. Khadijah Simmons in mind.

She was a 27-year-old officer who identifies as Black and Mexican-American and says she enjoys "museums and travel and history — and if it's Black history, even better." She planned on a career as a military dentist, and there are no indications anyone in her unit based at Fort Polk, Louisiana, saw her as a controversial figure in any way.

What alarmed Austin, of course, was the disproportionate presence of both active-duty service members and military veterans among the extremists who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. As you may have guessed, that group did not include Simmons.

But a few months after the "stand-down," in July 2021, Khadijah Simmons became Khadijah X, a name change consistent with her conversion to Islam, and things began to change.

Some white soldiers apparently began to feel uncomfortable around her. Some "did their own research" with predictable results, concluding that Lt. X must represent some kind of threat — perhaps she was an Islamic extremist, or a budding terrorist.

"When you convert to Islam, you change your name to show your devotion to the religion," she told Salon, explaining her motivation. "It's a common practice within the faith, as a whole," especially although not exclusively among African-American converts.

She chalks up the reactions she encountered to "lack of knowledge," and to people associating her name change with Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam, the controversial sect led by Louis Farrakhan.

By her own account, Lt. X had visited a Nation of Islam mosque, but was not associated with the group. Rumors began to fly in her predominantly white unit — about the Nation of Islam, about a Black Panther Party sticker on her laptop, about accusations that she treated Black soldiers more favorably than white ones. None of these rumors had ever circulated when she was Lt. Simmons.

When Lt. X was eventually investigated by the Army under the informal "fact-gathering" process known as AR 15-6, the nominal issue was her job performance, with vague allegations of extremism serving as a sinister subtext.

She now faces "separation from service," she told Salon. "They found me guilty of dereliction of duty. However, I was going through all of this on top of being expected to do my job. How do you expect me to do my job when my subordinates think I'm a terrorist?"

That was when Mikey Weinstein, an Air Force veteran and former Reagan administration lawyer who is founder and president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, agreed to step in. Weinstein's nonprofit, by his account, has represented more than 77,000 active-duty military service members — a large majority of them self-identified Christians — in religious-freedom cases.

"Lloyd Austin made it clear that we were going to wipe out extremism in the military after Jan 6," Weinstein told Salon. "But it wasn't Muslims who did that. It wasn't Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, Jews or Native American spiritualists."

None of those groups contribute to what Weinstein calls the environment of "discrimination, hate and harassment" within the military. They are the ones who suffer from it, along with a fair share of non-evangelical Christians, who often feel their faith is being hijacked...................

Well that didn’t go as planned.

Yep, they went there:



Also one of us needs to start a new thread for the public hearings coming up.

MT15 said:

Yep, they went there:



Also one of us needs to start a new thread for the public hearings coming up.

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Ready go.

New:

Marjorie Taylor Greene hounds DC mayor's office about January 6 'prisoners of war'​

If they are 'Prisoners of war', wouldn't that be her admiting everyone invloved was part of an insurrection?

Looks like Ginni Thomas even more involved than we thought

And people think that Joe Biden should resign or be investigating because of whatever Hunter Biden may or may not have been doing
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Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the conservative activist and wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, pressed Arizona lawmakers after the 2020 election to set aside Joe Biden’s popular-vote victory and choose “a clean slate of Electors,” according to emails obtained by The Washington Post.

The emails, sent by Ginni Thomas to a pair of lawmakers on Nov. 9, 2020, argued that legislators needed to intervene because the vote had been marred by fraud. Though she did not mention either candidate by name, the context was clear.

Just days after media organizations called the race for Biden in Arizona and nationwide, Thomas urged the lawmakers to “stand strong in the face of political and media pressure.” She told the lawmakers the responsibility to choose electors was “yours and yours alone” and said they have “power to fight back against fraud.”

Thomas sent the messages via an online platform designed to make it easy to send pre-written form emails to multiple elected officials, according to a review of the emails obtained under the state’s public records law.

The messages show that Thomas, a staunch supporter of Donald Trump, was more deeply involved in the effort to overturn Biden’s win than has been previously reported. In sending the emails, Thomas played a role in the extraordinary scheme to keep Trump in office by substituting the will of legislatures for the will of voters..............

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