Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (31 Viewers)

So this was really all Nancy Pelosi's fault

And still obsessed with crowd size

Yes, it was far bigger than any other insurrection crowd than any other losing candidate gathered
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PALM BEACH, Fla. — Former president Donald Trump voiced regret Wednesday over not marching to the U.S. Capitol the day his supporters stormed the building, and he defended his long silence during the attack by claiming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and others were responsible for ending the deadly violence.

“I thought it was a shame, and I kept asking why isn’t she doing something about it? Why isn’t Nancy Pelosi doing something about it? And the mayor of D.C. also. The mayor of D.C. and Nancy Pelosi are in charge,” Trump said of the Jan. 6, 2021, riot in a 45-minute interview with The Washington Post. “I hated seeing it. I hated seeing it. And I said, ‘It’s got to be taken care of,’ and I assumed they were taking care of it.”

The 45th president has repeatedly deflected blame for stoking the attack with false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, and in the interview, he struck a defiant posture, refusing to say whether he would testify before a congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 assault. Trump said he didn’t remember “getting very many” phone calls that day, and he denied removing call logs or using burner phones.......

During the attack, Trump watched television, criticized then-Vice President Mike Pence and made calls pushing lawmakers to overturn the election as the violent mob of his supporters ransacked the Capitol. He was eventually persuaded by lawmakers, family members and others to release a video asking his supporters to go home — 187 minutes after he urged them to march to the Capitol during a rally near the White House. He was described by advisers as excited about the event.

Trump, speaking Wednesday afternoon at his palatial beachfront club, said he did not regret urging the crowd to come to Washington with a tweet stating that it would “be wild!” He also stood by his incendiary and false rhetoric about the election at the Ellipse rally before the rioters stormed the Capitol. “I said peaceful and patriotic,” he said, omitting other comments that he made in a speech that day.

In fact, Trump said he deserved more credit for drawing such a large crowd to the Ellipse — and that he pressed to march on the Capitol with his supporters but was stopped by his security detail. “Secret Service said I couldn’t go. I would have gone there in a minute," he said.

The former president praised organizers of the rally, some of whom have now received subpoenas from federal authorities, and repeatedly bragged about the size of the crowd on the Ellipse, when questioned about the events of Jan. 6.

“The crowd was far bigger than I even thought. I believe it was the largest crowd I’ve ever spoken to. I don’t know what that means, but you see very few pictures. They don’t want to show pictures, the fake news doesn’t want to show pictures,” he said. “But this was a tremendous crowd.”...........

His pathology is getting worse, imo. Or just not reading his mumblings every day has made me forget how incoherent he is.

I would assume there will be sworn testimony that he was reveling in the break in at the Capitol while it was happening. I hope we will get to see it in a while.

Optimus Prime said:

So this was really all Nancy Pelosi's fault

And still obsessed with crowd size

Yes, it was far bigger than any other insurrection crowd than any other losing candidate gathered
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PALM BEACH, Fla. — Former president Donald Trump voiced regret Wednesday over not marching to the U.S. Capitol the day his supporters stormed the building, and he defended his long silence during the attack by claiming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and others were responsible for ending the deadly violence.

“I thought it was a shame, and I kept asking why isn’t she doing something about it? Why isn’t Nancy Pelosi doing something about it? And the mayor of D.C. also. The mayor of D.C. and Nancy Pelosi are in charge,” Trump said of the Jan. 6, 2021, riot in a 45-minute interview with The Washington Post. “I hated seeing it. I hated seeing it. And I said, ‘It’s got to be taken care of,’ and I assumed they were taking care of it.”

The 45th president has repeatedly deflected blame for stoking the attack with false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, and in the interview, he struck a defiant posture, refusing to say whether he would testify before a congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 assault. Trump said he didn’t remember “getting very many” phone calls that day, and he denied removing call logs or using burner phones.......

During the attack, Trump watched television, criticized then-Vice President Mike Pence and made calls pushing lawmakers to overturn the election as the violent mob of his supporters ransacked the Capitol. He was eventually persuaded by lawmakers, family members and others to release a video asking his supporters to go home — 187 minutes after he urged them to march to the Capitol during a rally near the White House. He was described by advisers as excited about the event.

Trump, speaking Wednesday afternoon at his palatial beachfront club, said he did not regret urging the crowd to come to Washington with a tweet stating that it would “be wild!” He also stood by his incendiary and false rhetoric about the election at the Ellipse rally before the rioters stormed the Capitol. “I said peaceful and patriotic,” he said, omitting other comments that he made in a speech that day.

In fact, Trump said he deserved more credit for drawing such a large crowd to the Ellipse — and that he pressed to march on the Capitol with his supporters but was stopped by his security detail. “Secret Service said I couldn’t go. I would have gone there in a minute," he said.

The former president praised organizers of the rally, some of whom have now received subpoenas from federal authorities, and repeatedly bragged about the size of the crowd on the Ellipse, when questioned about the events of Jan. 6.

“The crowd was far bigger than I even thought. I believe it was the largest crowd I’ve ever spoken to. I don’t know what that means, but you see very few pictures. They don’t want to show pictures, the fake news doesn’t want to show pictures,” he said. “But this was a tremendous crowd.”...........

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Was coming here to post about the part where he said he wanted to march to the Capitol with his supporters but was prevented from doing so by the secret Service.

With what we already know, madre frocker is basically out and out saying that his intention that day was to lead his personally gathered and incited crowd of supporters right up to the Capitol so that they could do what they had to do to help him in preventing the transition of power to the legal winner of the 2020 election.

Blatantly obvious that he is anti-democracy through and through, and that only through a collective belief in our system - still held to mean something by enough truly patriotic Republicans in addition to Democrats and independents - were we actually able to get him out of office.

Of course Trump's been able to largely consolidate power within the Republican party since January 6th, and as such you're left with even fewer truly patriotic Republicans who are willing and able to stand up next time it's needed.

My first thought on seeing that he wanted to walk to the Capitol was “no freaking way he can walk that far.” I think it’s about a mile.

But what May or may not be on Hunter Biden’s laptop is a bigger deal
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Washington (CNN) - Two days after the 2020 presidential election, as votes were still being tallied, Donald Trump's eldest son texted then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that "we have operational control" to ensure his father would get a second term, with Republican majorities in the US Senate and swing state legislatures, CNN has learned.

In the text, which has not been previously reported, Donald Trump Jr. lays out ideas for keeping his father in power by subverting the Electoral College process, according to the message reviewed by CNN. The text is among records obtained by the House select committee investigating January 6, 2021.

"It's very simple," Trump Jr. texted to Meadows on November 5, adding later in the same missive: "We have multiple paths We control them all."…….


https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/politics/donald-trump-jr-meadows-text/index.html

MT15 said:

My first thought on seeing that he wanted to walk to the Capitol was “no freaking way he can walk that far.” I think it’s about a mile.

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The SS would have carried him that mile if he did convince them to go there. I kinda wish they had. It would have made that coup attempt look a lot more like an actual coup attempt.

I'm just disappointed they haven't found something ironclad that would preclude him from ever taking public office again.

Well, this is pretty damning:

MT15 said:

Well, this is pretty damning:

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It sure would be nice if someone were criminally charged over this.

This counters the idea that it was mostly 'normal people' who just got caught up and carried away
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On the one-year anniversary of Jan. 6, conservatives held more than two dozen "Justice for J6" vigils across the country, arguing that most of those arrested for storming the U.S. Capitol "were political neophytes" who hadn't realized what they were doing was wrong. In February, the Republican Party described the insurrection as "legitimate political discourse" in censuring the two GOP members of Congress who joined the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 events. And in early April, Donald Trump told the Washington Post that he had wanted to march to the Capitol himself, saying, "I would have gone there in a minute" if the Secret Service hadn't prevented it.

All this is part of a growing effort to normalize the riot at the Capitol, and to cast its perpetrators as overwhelmingly "ordinary people" who got caught up in the momentum of something beyond their control. But last week came decisive evidence that this simply isn't true: At least a third of those arrested in conjunction with Jan. 6 belong to a far-right network that is not just deeply interconnected but resilient and adaptable.

Last Thursday, Michael Jensen, a senior researcher at the University of Maryland's National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START center), released preliminary findings on the ideological motivations and connections of about 30 percent of all Jan. 6 defendants. While his research is ongoing, Jensen has already found that at least 244 of the 816 people arrested to date were either members of "extremist" organizations or self-identified with them. In his widely-shared map of the network (embedded below), Jensen documented at least 700 relationships between the defendants and both well-known far-right groups as well as more diffuse movements, including white nationalists, anti-vaccination activists, militias, militant anti-abortion groups, QAnon adherents and more.

While the "ordinary people" narrative around Jan. 6 has become ubiquitous, Jensen says, "These aren't ordinary relationships — or, at least, they shouldn't be."

Jensen spoke with Salon last Friday.

How did you come to research the Jan. 6 defendants as a group?

The START center's mission has always been to advance the scientific study of the causes of terrorism and how best to respond to it. We've primarily done that through developing datasets around terrorist behaviors, terrorists themselves, the types of weapons and tactics they use and so on.

Within the START center I run the team that looks at extremism in the United States. When we started working on that topic in 2013, one of the key buzzwords was this concept of radicalization: Everybody wanted to know how and why somebody could adopt these beliefs and then mobilize on behalf of them to the point where they're committing crimes and killing people.

We had a lot of great theories, but essentially no data to test them. So our proposal was to start collecting data on individuals that had radicalized to the point of committing crimes and figure out everything that might have mattered in their radicalization process: family dynamics, schooling and work experiences, social groups, how they were introduced to extremism and other risk factors like mental health or substance use concerns. We also wanted to make sure it was cross-ideological, because extremism in the U.S. is quite diverse.

In 2016, we released that dataset, "Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States," for the first time. It has information on over 2,200 individuals radicalized in the U.S. to the point of committing crimes — everybody from white supremacists and anti-government militia members to QAnon followers, eco-terrorists and ISIS-inspired individuals. We map all of them, with the ultimate goal of figuring out what to do about it.

We certainly noticed an uptick in cases during the Trump presidency, especially associated with the extreme right. We were already tracking these cases for our database. Then Jan. 6 happened and was obviously a watershed moment. In a busy year, we might identify 300 individuals that qualify for inclusion in the database. Here we had one day where potentially hundreds, if not thousands, might qualify — people clearly motivated by political goals, by extremist ideology..............

Is an audit reliable when the auditor thinks the ostensible beneficiary of the audit is the Messiah? lol

I wish that someone close to Hillary Clinton had refused to turn over thousands of Benghazi related emails
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(CNN) - John Eastman, a far-right lawyer for then-President Donald Trump who wanted to block his electoral loss in 2020, is still withholding about 3,200 documents from the House Select Committee investigating the January 6 insurrection, according to a new court filing this week…….

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/john-eastman-january-6-documents/index.html

Optimus Prime said:

I wish that someone close to Hillary Clinton had refused to turn over thousands of Benghazi related emails
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(CNN) - John Eastman, a far-right lawyer for then-President Donald Trump who wanted to block his electoral loss in 2020, is still withholding about 3,200 documents from the House Select Committee investigating the January 6 insurrection, according to a new court filing this week…….

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/john-eastman-january-6-documents/index.html

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I wish someone close to Hillary had taught her how to give a speech and act like a normal human.

Taurus said:

I wish someone close to Hillary had taught her how to give a speech and act like a normal human.

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Touche

Same for Al Gore

Optimus Prime said:

Touche

Same for Al Gore

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I'll never forgive the Clintons. For all the good works they've done, Bill forked up Gore's chances because he couldn't keep his pecker in his pants and Hillary gave us the death knell of democracy because she's incapable of honest self-assessment.

Taurus said:

I'll never forgive the Clintons. For all the good works they've done, Bill forked up Gore's chances because he couldn't keep his pecker in his pants and Hillary gave us the death knell of democracy because she's incapable of honest self-assessment.

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Even with the Bill Clinton albatross I've always thought 2 things -

1. Al gore would have won if he had Bill campaign with/for him.

Say what you want about him, Bill is a master politician and speaker and knows how to rally the troops

2. And even without Bill I think Gore would have run if it was the Al Gore who hosted An Inconvenient Truth

THAT Al Gore was funny, self deprecating, relaxed, passionate, engaing.

Basically the opposite of the boring robotic Gore we got during the 2000 campaign

Optimus Prime said:

Even with the Bil Clinton albatross I've always thought 2 things - Al gore would have won if he had Bill campaign with/for him.

Say what you want about him, Bill is a master politician and speaker and knows how to rally the troops

And even without Bill I think Gore would have run if it was the Al Gore who hosted An Inconvenient Truth

THAT Al Gore was funny, self deprecating, relaxed, passionate, engaing.

Basically the opposite of the boring robotic Gore we got during the 2000 campaign

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Yep, Bill maybe should have done more with Gore, but...conventional wisdom at the time was that Bill would have sunk Gore well before the election because people were ready for a change after 8 years of Clinton. I think Gore needed to show that he was his own man. Gore's real downfall was his wooden personality imo.

DaveXA said:

Yep, Bill maybe should have done more with Gore, but...conventional wisdom at the time was that Bill would have sunk Gore well before the election because people were ready for a change after 8 years of Clinton. I think Gore needed to show that he was his own man. Gore's real downfall was his wooden personality imo.

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They were ready for a change from the constant circus stirred up by Bill's tallywacker.

Taurus said:

They were ready for a change from the constant circus stirred up by Bill's tallywacker.

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Oh no doubt, but of course there were a lot of other questionable things he did. The Lewinsky thing was just a horrific lapse in judgement. Then the whole apology thing, what is "is"...and of course the impeachment circus. It was good theater tho.