Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (21 Viewers)

DaveXA said:

I'm actually baffled that Trump hasn't been indicted/charged with insurrection, obstruction and whatever else. 7+ hours where his communications were unmonitored. There's nothing about that that makes sense. From what I'm aware, at least 3 officials are on record as speaking with him during that gap.

I sure hope the committee can make this sheet stick. Trump should be in jail.

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Part of me thinks it is because Congress and Garland were paying attention during the Mueller probe. Mueller tried to use the standard tactic of going after the suspect's closest allies, building cases against them, and then getting them to testify against the suspect in exchange for leniency. That clearly didn't work, and all that happened was that Trump and his lawyers got to find out what investigators were looking at and what evidence they had.

I'm hoping that Garland is working behind the scenes to build a case without tipping his hand.

superchuck500 said:

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Trump really should be in jail. I don't know the mechanisms, but something like that should disqualify him from running for president again. And I've said this before, but if Trump gets elected again, I'm moving to Korea with my wife.

Take me with you guys? Lol.

This made me laugh
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), never at a loss for words, reportedly had this to say on Tuesday about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’s refusal to recuse himself from cases related to the Jan. 6 insurrection:

“It’s up to an individual justice to decide to recuse himself if his wife is participating in a coup.”……

From one cult to another. Kind of disturbing/surprising a brilliant guy like Thomas would be attracted to someone with these issues... or maybe not?

Now that people think the 7 hour gap in the phone log was because Trump switched to phones that weren’t being logged, evidently MAGA-ville thinks that’s an innocent coincidence? Lol

Trump claims not to know what a “burner” phone is, but he knows how to make sure his calls aren’t logged.

Sentences are getting longer
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An Alabama man who drove to Capitol Hill on Jan. 6, 2021 in a pickup truck loaded with a small arsenal of molotov cocktails, guns, ammunition and other weapons — then wandered away from the truck and never used any of them before they were discovered — was sentenced Friday to 46 months in prison.


Neither Lonnie Leroy Coffman, 72, nor his lawyer offered any explanation of why he brought the Mason jars filled with gasoline and Styrofoam, which explosives experts said would have had an effect similar to napalm if ignited, to the District.

He is thought to be the most heavily armed defendant yet identified among the defendants in cases related to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob, and has been in jail since that day. His sentence is one of the longest yet imposed in the Capitol attack investigation……

Good article
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By now, federal investigators have put together a well-populated if not-yet-complete picture of the weeks leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

Through hundreds of indictments and numerous plea agreements, we have thousands of pages of information about how and why those who allegedly participated in the riot came to Washington that day.


A review of all of those documents suggests that one particular day played an outsize role on the path to the day’s violence: Dec. 19, 2020 — the day on which President Donald Trump tweeted his encouragement for people to show up with the promise that it would be “wild.”

The importance of that tweet is admittedly obvious. In the abstract, it was the president of the United States encouraging his supporters — tens of millions of them, as per the election held a month prior — to come to protest the election results.

For all of his efforts after the fact to cast his encouragement as centrally peaceful, that Dec. 19 tweet makes clear that he expected — or embraced — some level of static.

It had immediate specific importance, too: Soon after the tweet was sent, supporters who had been elevating the “stop the steal” mantra stood up a new website centered on gathering near the Capitol on Jan. 6. It was called WildProtest.com.

What’s less clear is the extent to which Dec. 19 triggered a broader focus on Jan. 6. Did Trump’s message trickle down to the grass roots tangibly? Or was there just a slow buildup, one that either was already underway or would emerge later?……

Interesting read
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......The Thomas texts, however, are far more revelatory as psychological disclosures — a breathtaking window into the mind of a Trump believer. In that sense, there are three distinct ways in which the Thomas texts illuminate the broader historical moment.

One, is about the nature of the “Big Lie.” The phrase itself is a reflection of a mindset common among people, including journalists, alarmed by the efforts to overturn an election. The assumption is that by sharpening language — by stating crisply and emphatically that Trump’s election claims are false — it will make it harder for those falsehoods to gain currency. Many news organizations have showily dropped traditional mushy language like “disputed” or “disproven” in favor of phrases like “Trump’s lie” in their election coverage. It’s a reasonable choice. But the effect of this tell-it-like-it-is coverage isn’t especially impressive.

Thomas shows that it has scant effect on her — or tens of millions of people like her. To the contrary, she almost certainly is more motivated in her beliefs because people she holds in contempt among Democrats or establishment media tell her the opposite is true.

Whatever one thinks about Ginni Thomas, the texts are the work of someone who believes she is a truth-teller, not a liar. “Help This Great President stand firm, Mark!!!,” Thomas wrote Meadows. “You are the leader, with him, who is standing for America’s constitutional governance at the precipice. The majority knows Biden and the Left is attempting the greatest Heist of our History.”

That leads to the second way Thomas’ texts are a window into not just her mind but the minds of many. It is in the sincerity of her belief that she is aligned with the victimized party.

One constant of my 30 years covering national politics is how opposing partisans believe the same thing: Our side has the right ideas, but we are just not tough enough. The other side wins because they aren’t burdened by conscience and are willing to be ruthless.

This notion is reflected in Thomas’ texts, both the “greatest heist of our history” and her imploring Meadows to “save us from the left taking America down.”

But it’s apparent this mindset is also the vehicle by which other players — including many who, unlike Thomas, really do know that claims of a stolen election, as opposed to one their side lost, are false — manage to avoid a damning self-appraisal that they are dishonest, unprincipled people.

It is a psychological tool that, once employed, has no logical endpoint. The Washington Post noted that Sen. Ted Cruz, who threw himself heartily into the effort to challenge the election results, in a 2015 memoir assailed former Vice President Al Gore as a “petulant” spoilsport for not quickly conceding loss in the contested 2000 election. He said then that pressing the courts to rule on numerous questions relating to vote counting irregularities in Florida was an effort by Democrats to “steal the presidency.”

The hypocrisy seems so evident as to be beyond dispute. I’ll bet Cruz has no trouble by living with himself by arguing that he is simply playing the game the way ambitious operators play it................

Evidently AZ is still dealing with the aftermath of the fake audit. They have now released a comprehensive report: spoiler-the election was valid and properly counted. There’s an impressive list of the findings in this thread:

Interesting poll results
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A stunning 71 percent of Americans say officials who support former President Donald Trump’s election lies are guilty of a “crime,” and similar majorities want the Justice Department to take action.

Attorney General Merrick Garland is facing pressure and criticism, some of which emanates from Democrats on the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol, over a perception that the department is taking too much time or investigating too narrowly.

A new poll suggests that there is widespread and consistent public support for the DoJ taking action against elected officials involved in promoting Trump’s election lies, which incited the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Respondents to a new Politico/Morning Consult poll were asked “Do you believe each of the following is a crime?”

The results for each choice were overwhelming:

• “Elected officials misleading Americans about the outcome of an election” — “Yes, definitely” or “Yes, probably” — 71 percent of all respondents
• “Elected officials attempting to overturn the results of an American election” — “Yes, definitely” or “Yes, probably” — 69 percent of all respondents
• “Elected officials claiming that presidential elections are fraudulent without evidence” — “Yes, definitely” or “Yes, probably” — 56 percent of all respondents.......

Optimus Prime said:

Interesting poll results
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A stunning 71 percent of Americans say officials who support former President Donald Trump’s election lies are guilty of a “crime,” and similar majorities want the Justice Department to take action.

Attorney General Merrick Garland is facing pressure and criticism, some of which emanates from Democrats on the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol, over a perception that the department is taking too much time or investigating too narrowly.

A new poll suggests that there is widespread and consistent public support for the DoJ taking action against elected officials involved in promoting Trump’s election lies, which incited the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Respondents to a new Politico/Morning Consult poll were asked “Do you believe each of the following is a crime?”

The results for each choice were overwhelming:

• “Elected officials misleading Americans about the outcome of an election” — “Yes, definitely” or “Yes, probably” — 71 percent of all respondents
• “Elected officials attempting to overturn the results of an American election” — “Yes, definitely” or “Yes, probably” — 69 percent of all respondents
• “Elected officials claiming that presidential elections are fraudulent without evidence” — “Yes, definitely” or “Yes, probably” — 56 percent of all respondents.......

MSN

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Half of that 71% are likely Republicans that think Biden and Democrats are the "Elected Officials" misleading Americans about the outcome of an election. It doesn't look like the poll identified Trump or other state Republican's by name as the "Elected Officials" that are misleading America.

coldseat said:

Half of that 71% are likely Republicans that think Biden and Democrats are the "Elected Officials" misleading Americans about the outcome of an election. It doesn't look like the poll identified Trump or other state Republican's by name as the "Elected Officials" that are misleading America.

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You may be right about that

Well, there’s no doubt about who this question is referring to, although I noted the response went down about 20%:

• “Elected officials claiming that presidential elections are fraudulent without evidence” — “Yes, definitely” or “Yes, probably” — 56 percent of all respondents

So, the Trump crazies might be down to about 20-25% of the population.

MT15 said:

Well, there’s no doubt about who this question is referring to, although I noted the response went down about 20%:

• “Elected officials claiming that presidential elections are fraudulent without evidence” — “Yes, definitely” or “Yes, probably” — 56 percent of all respondents

So, the Trump crazies might be down to about 20-25% of the population.

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Trump crazies believe Trump has mountains of evidence of election fraud. So they could have easily answered "Yes" to that question.