Have democrats become the anti police and anti law party ? (1 Viewer)

the annoying thing said:

no my only enemy is the inability of liberals to admit the truth

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The truth is that we do want to destroy the version of America that exists in your mind.

I like how the annoying one convolutes riots and protests to try and make his point.

I'm sure he is critical of the Jan 6 "rally" too and feels all that attended (almost all republican) are anti-police since they attacked the police.

Port City JJ said:

I like how the annoying one convolutes riots and protests to try and make his point.

I'm sure he is critical of the Jan 6 "rally" too and feels all that attended (almost all republican) are anti-police since they attacked the police.

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It isn't just him. The whole time the BLM protests were happening, nobody on the right would willingly admit that the violence that took place at any number of protests was committed by such a negligible percentage of people at the protest that it couldn't possibly be part of BLM, all of the "conservatives" were conflating protest and riot as being one and the same. And they knew the difference the entire time. It's their "break glass in case of emergency" out in a conversation about BLM protests.

the annoying thing said:

but facts are facts

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the annoying thing said:

seems liberals don't like the truth much on this forum

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Facts and Truth are the enemy of the Republican party and trump. Facts and truth are what McCarthy and the other insurrectionist supporting Republicans are fighting like their lives depended on it to keep hidden. Facts and Truth are why there are only 2 Republicans on the January 6 committee.

It seems that you automatically label anyone who is looking for facts and truth as liberals. Most who post here are not liberals. You have been fed a bunch of lies and you have chosen to continue to believe them in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Facts and truth are why republicans around the country are introducing laws to allow them ignore the will of the people.

Saintamaniac said:

Facts and truth are why republicans around the country are introducing laws to allow them ignore the will of the people.

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Quoted for posterity's sake.

the annoying thing said:

When you look at how Biden's allowing in terrorist and felons from around the world and how democrat support illegal drug use and are soft on crime its makes you wonder what is wrong with them.

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Regarding the southern border:

(I'm disregarding OP'S intent to troll and every post in here prior to this one, but still seemed like best place to post)

Regardless of who and/or what is to actually blame for it, perception is terrible for Democrats here as the reality is that a marked increase in violent crime has occurred and considering the optics with it having generally occurred alongside the rise of Defund the Police and the election of Democrats to power in DC, it's fairly obvious that it (along with the tangentially related US/Mexico border and inflation to make up a Big 3) is a MAJOR loser of an issue for Democrats heading into the midterms, with little to no hope of a shifted or new narrative prior to November.

So, the actual reality is much more nuanced. Crime in some cities with democratic mayors is down, and crime in some cities with Republican mayors is up. And vice versa.

This has almost nothing to do with Biden, actually, Biden has steadfastly rejected defund the police since the campaign, before he won the nomination.

Rs know all this - but are being extremely disingenuous in this topic. They don’t truly care about solving anything, they just want to beat up democrats with a topic that they can use. Similar to Covid, where they are actively hurting our society and economy with their vaccine denial and Covid denial, yet are blaming Biden for it.

MT15 said:

So, the actual reality is much more nuanced. Crime in some cities with democratic mayors is down, and crime in some cities with Republican mayors is up. And vice versa.

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Do you have a source for this? Without having delved deep into it seems like almost everywhere has seen an increase since at least 2020.. but I could be wrong.

I saw it reported on TV today during coverage of Biden’s speech about crime. They mentioned three cities with democratic mayors where crime is down, I remember St. Louis being one, but I don’t remember the others. A while ago I heard or read that either Oklahoma City or Tulsa had experienced the same sort of crime increase with a R mayor.

MT15 said:

I saw it reported on TV today during coverage of Biden’s speech about crime. They mentioned three cities with democratic mayors where crime is down, I remember St. Louis being one, but I don’t remember the others. A while ago I heard or read that either Oklahoma City or Tulsa had experienced the same sort of crime increase with a R mayor.

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It seems like St Louis and any cities that have seen a decrease are the exception:

Violent crime, particularly homicide, is rising rapidly in cities across the nation. Recent reports from the Council find a 30% surge in murders in 2020 compared to the previous year, and a 16% increase for the first half of 2021. Meanwhile, property and drug crimes declined during these same periods.

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Violent crime did still have a spike in St Louis in 2020 however:

St. Louis, which in 2020 had its highest murder rate in 50 years, has recorded 190 homicides as of Dec. 29, which is 73 less than the 263 the year prior. And it’s not just that the numbers are lower compared to the tumultuous period of 2020, they’re lower than some pre-pandemic years as well. In 2019 the city saw 194 homicides and 205 in 2017. (The city’s population has remained statistically consistent over the years).

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Interesting that property crimes are down overall, as are drug crimes. So it’s not an overall increase in all crimes.

Also, if they are using 2019 as the benchmark-the crime that year was the lowest during a 30 year decline in crime rates. From Pew Research:

So any increase from 2019 rates are really reflective of only 2020, a year in which democrats only held the House, while Rs held the Senate and the Executive. And since almost no “defund the police” reforms were actually enacted, it’s hard to see how blaming Biden and the democrats for a crime spike in 2020 makes much sense. Honestly, it’s probably due to the pandemic more than any police reforms that have only been talked about.

MT15 said:

So any increase from 2019 rates are really reflective of only 2020, a year in which democrats only held the House, while Rs held the Senate and the Executive. And since almost no “defund the police” reforms were actually enacted, it’s hard to see how blaming Biden and the democrats for a crime spike in 2020 makes much sense. Honestly, it’s probably due to the pandemic more than any police reforms that have only been talked about.

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I'm not laying the blame.. I'm just saying that that is the perception that Democrats are having to fight against, and the main reason for that is that there were Democrats - and some of note - who were stupid enough to run with Defund the Police as a political slogan..

Chickens coming home to roost and all. That shirt doesn't go away that easily, especially paired with an ill-timed rise in violent crime nationwide.

I know what you’re saying. It’s particularly lazy thinking though and ignores actual reality. Rs are being really hypocritical to use it, but that’s nothing new.

MT15 said:

I know what you’re saying. It’s particularly lazy thinking though and ignores actual reality. Rs are being really hypocritical to use it, but that’s nothing new.

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Democrats made it especially easy for Republicans here, set it up on a tee. It is what it is, would almost be political *malpractice (more correct term than 'malfeasance' I originally used) at this point for Republicans not to hit Democrats over the head with it.

Yeah, I know. I just wish there was someone on the democrats side who could get the facts out in front of the public. I suppose those who are super invested in this false narrative would never see the explainer though.