Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (2 Viewers)

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    I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

    Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

    Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.


     
    MT15 said:
    Reason 2,678,546 to hate entitled arrogant butthead Josh Hawley. His book contract was canceled by the publisher because of the negative publicity he generated when he played his little sedition game. Ivy League lawyer calls it a straight up assault on the First Amendment, 😡, maybe he paid someone to take his bar?

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    A little more on this Simon & Schuster book deal cancellation, Hawley's former mentor didn't mince words about his actions:
    Simon & Schuster's decision comes as former Missouri Republican Sen. John Danforth, commenting in the wake of the assault on the Capitol, described his recruitment of Hawley to run for the U.S. Senate in 2018 as "the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life."

    "I thought he was special. And I did my best to encourage people to support him," Danforth said Thursday.

    The senator who represented Missouri for nearly two decades until 1995 said if it had not been for Hawley's key role in objecting to the Electoral College votes, Wednesday's chaos "wouldn't have happened."

    "But for him the approval of the Electoral College votes would have been simply a formality," Danforth said. "He made it into something that it was a specific way to express the view that the election was stolen. He was responsible."

    Hawley's office did not immediately respond to Danforth's charges, but in a more general statement, the senator said he would "never apologize for giving voice to the millions of Missourians and Americans who have concerns about the integrity of our elections. That's my job, and I will keep doing it."
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    www.npr.org

    Publisher Cancels Book By Sen. Hawley, Citing His Role In Inciting Capitol Attack

    Simon & Schuster says it has decided not to publish Hawley's forthcoming book The Tyranny of Big Tech, suggesting that the lawmaker helped foment Wednesday's violence.
    www.npr.org www.npr.org
     
    (waits on the family to read it..)

    *Edited because I do in fact know the correct way to use "your'
     

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    porculator said:
    It's kind of annoying that she would tell that to the press. Yes, make the call discreetly, but don't then go bragging about how you're trying to neuter the president behind his back, until you've actually figured out a way to do it.
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    Yeah, not a fan of flapping your gums on this. That said, it's just talk. While she certainly has influence, there's not really anything she can do to curb the President's power. Anything with teeth would have to come from Congress, not just her.
     
    porculator said:
    I'm skeptical of the Feds too (as I expressed earlier, if the lack of response was out of spite, it would be the most impeachable offense of them all) but this is starting to look more like skittish leadership worrying about "optics" than malice.

    From that article:
    A U.S. defense official said the Army general on the call didn’t formally deny the request but rather reinforced the negative optics of having uniformed personnel inside the Capitol, a point on which Bowser had agreed, and later checked with the chain of command. The defense official said Bowser agreed that if further support was necessary, D.C. police would provide it inside the Capitol, and the Guard would backfill D.C. police positions away from the building.

    If you'll recall the BLM protests in DC, there was quite the pissing match between Mayor Bowser and the feds over the National Guard. Trumps ridiculous Bible stunt put a bad taste in everyone's mouth, and Bowser made a big deal about removing all of them from the city. And it actually seemed to have worked in reducing tensions. So I can see the concern of bringing in the National Guard escalating things in theory. But the circumstances here were completely different. The BLM protests were literally about police brutality, which is why adding more brutal police was bad optics. And while it may cause some painful and much needed critical thinking among the MAGA crowd, there would have been nothing wrong with the optics of the National Guard clubbing the shirt out of some domestic terrorists.
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    I don't disagree, but my point is that we really don't know what all happened and who/what is responsible for the colossal security failure. Right now everybody is trying to cover their a$$, so that all the crap doesn't come down on them. It may very well be what you suggest, as that is the popular narrative that seems to be forming. But there may also be some nefarious actions involved.

    We won't know until it's truly investigated by people who weren't involved. Once we do know, changes to laws need to be made so that it doesn't happen again.
     
    coldseat said:
    I don't disagree, but my point is that we really don't know what all happened and who/what is responsible for the colossal security failure. Right now everybody is trying to cover their a$$, so that all the crap doesn't come down on them. It may very well be what you suggest, as that is the popular narrative that seems to be forming. But there may also be some nefarious actions involved.

    We won't know until it's truly investigated by people who weren't involved. Once we do know, changes to laws need to be made so that it doesn't happen again.
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    Agreed. There needs to be a bipartisan commission to dig into all of what happened. This definitely has to be looked at, extensively.

    Something else to consider though. The Capitol is fondly known as the People's House here and it's always been a place open to the public. I just hope this incident didn't ruin that. I used to walk the halls of the Capitol at least once a week at my old job and just loved the history, architecture, seat of government and the stories that are told there. It's just an amazing place, and I feel like we might lose a piece of that because of the asshats who desecrated the place. I hope they get what they deserve.
     
    coldseat said:
    I don't disagree, but my point is that we really don't know what all happened and who/what is responsible for the colossal security failure. Right now everybody is trying to cover their a$$, so that all the crap doesn't come down on them. It may very well be what you suggest, as that is the popular narrative that seems to be forming. But there may also be some nefarious actions involved.

    We won't know until it's truly investigated by people who weren't involved. Once we do know, changes to laws need to be made so that it doesn't happen again.
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    There is definitely still a hole in the timeline where you have to wonder what was happening on the fed side, as it's noted that Virginia's guard got there faster than DC, after a call from Bowser's staff to Gov Northam (can only assume she would talk to a neighboring state after she talked to the feds)

    I also know that Bowser wouldn't miss an opportunity to throw Trump under the bus, and as far as I know, she hasn't. However, I will. When you're the commander in chief, and your military and national security staff is just a revolving door of bootlickers, because thats how you like it, the buck stops at you. Any bumbling on the part of the Pentagon is this administration's fault.
     
    DJ1BigTymer said:
    McCarthy has reached out to Joe Biden and ask for him to "lower the temperature" and not to seek impeachment of trump because that will divide the country.

    :wow:
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    Ok, here's his actual statement and it's not as bad as it was presented by the media, still it is rich coming from McCarthy.

     
    This country is going to be divided anyway.
    I personally have no interest in “coming together” with a side that stays quiet or blames “antifa” when their goons storm the Congress. I want nothing to do with any of them.

    The bottom line hasn’t changed. Democrats and people with progressive values won’t get what they want by trying to play nice with a party that gave America Donald Trump.

    They’ll side ultimately with espousing harmful conspiracist rhetoric that will take lives as we’ve seen with Covid. Almost even worse, they’ll stay quiet and continue to vote for leaders worse than Trump out of their hatred for the other side.

    This is what I’m most worried about with the Biden presidency. That he really thinks that working across the aisle is going to be more effective with a side that wants a theocratic government and is willing to rip up law to win than ramming progressive policies through.

    We’ll see.
     
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    Incumbent said:
    The potential ramifications from this kind of theft are extraordinary. No leniency should be shown to anybody who participated in this insurrection.

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    A laptop was taken from her office, but aids say it was from a conference room, and just used for presentations. So, not her personal one.

    www.cnbc.com

    Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, aide says

    A laptop was stolen from the office of U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi during the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, one of her aide's said on Friday.
    www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
     
    DJ1BigTymer said:
    Ok, here's his actual statement and it's not as bad as it was presented by the media, still it is rich coming from McCarthy.

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    I was thinking about this on my drive in to work. I am worried that an impeachment or Article 25 action would just further cement to about 30-40% of the country that this was all rigged and stolen, and now the left is staging a coup, vs just trying to protect the country and institutions.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    edit: I think Trump resigning (likely not gonna happen) would be the only decent way to resolve this, other than the hope that nothing happens the next 12 days.
     
    why is it always the Dems that have to be the adults and compromise for the good of the nation?

    Republicans don’t ever have to do shirt For the good of the country. Did they deny Merrick Garland for the good of the country? Did they rush through Barrett for the good of the country? No, they didn’t.

    McCarthy knows damn well what a vote means. It means you either side with a seditious liar who started the only domestic attack on our Capitol or you piss off his idiot followers.

    Impeach his arse if for no other reason than to get these butt crevasses on record with what they stand for.
     
    porculator said:
    There is definitely still a hole in the timeline where you have to wonder what was happening on the fed side, as it's noted that Virginia's guard got there faster than DC, after a call from Bowser's staff to Gov Northam (can only assume she would talk to a neighboring state after she talked to the feds)

    I also know that Bowser wouldn't miss an opportunity to throw Trump under the bus, and as far as I know, she hasn't. However, I will. When you're the commander in chief, and your military and national security staff is just a revolving door of bootlickers, because thats how you like it, the buck stops at you. Any bumbling on the part of the Pentagon is this administration's fault.
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    They will have to do a post-mortem on the failures, and figure out what happened. Apparently, this was talked about for weeks online. Why did the feds/capitol police have a small presence at the rally? I want to know how a group armed with semi-automatic rifles, pipe bombs, molotov cocktails, and a noose for public executions went unnoticed by federal authorities.

    Also all the military, and LEO's that attended the event need to be charged.
     

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