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Saint by the Bay said:

He has to have an actual case first. There's no case. No evidence. I see nothing that could even get to the SCOTUS.

What will they do? What ruling could they possibly make that would actually overturn the election?

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Quoting yourself is tacky but...

The one thing I believe could get to the SCOTUS is the late delivered ballots in PA that the court has punted on twice. Those are already segregated and not included in the current vote count, so I say give them those 900-something votes. They don't change anything and aren't worth the fight. The one thing I'd say is you don't want to set that precedence, but I'm assuming there's some way to say "fine, but this only applies to now not later and we reserve the right to fight it in the future".

Saint by the Bay said:

Quoting yourself is tacky but...

The one thing I believe could get to the SCOTUS is the late delivered ballots in PA that the court has punted on twice. Those are already segregated and not included in the current vote count, so I say give them those 900-something votes. They don't change anything and aren't worth the fight. The one thing I'd say is you don't want to set that precedence, but I'm assuming there's some way to say "fine, but this only applies to now not later and we reserve the right to fight it in the future".

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I suspect since it's literally irrelevant to the outcome of the PA elections, they'll just not deal with it further. There's no point in touching it again. At least it seems that way to me.

DaveXA said:

I suspect since it's literally irrelevant to the outcome of the PA elections, they'll just not deal with it further. There's no point in touching it again. At least it seems that way to me.

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Well, the Trump messaging makes it seem like there are thousands of them and they are in the current count. I suspect the court will need to rule just to clear up the misinformation. same on the "poll watchers were denied access" questions. If those issues are left open they become true, even though they aren't.

I want every Trump lawsuit to go to court with public broadcasting of the hearings. The public needs to see how thin these lawsuits are. Most people don’t realize none of the PA segregate ballots have been counted as of this weekend.

There is very little the Supreme Court can do so long as there is a state statute that allows ballots by a certain date/time. Pennsylvania is different because the PA Supreme Court extended the statutory deadline.

Saint by the Bay said:

Well, the Trump messaging makes it seem like there are thousands of them and they are in the current count. I suspect the court will need to rule just to clear up the misinformation. same on the "poll watchers were denied access" questions. If those issues are left open they become true, even though they aren't.

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While I think your sentiment is right, I don't think the court will take the view that it's something they should address. Clearing up that misinformation will have to come from the election authorities in PA or the PA State Supreme Court I would think.

Saint by the Bay said:

He just announced on Twitter that Esper is out and he's installed a loyalist as Sec Def.

Stand back and stand by.

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B4YOU said:

I want every Trump lawsuit to go to court with public broadcasting of the hearings. The public needs to see how thin these lawsuits are. Most people don’t realize none of the PA segregate ballots have been counted as of this weekend.

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The concern is that Trump has populated the judiciary with many unqualified judges, so we can't be sure they'll follow the law, and the supreme court is now also populated by potential loyalists. Republicans so far are largely playing along with Trump, and we needed them to step up to end the lunacy.

GrandAdmiral said:

The law provides the FBI director with a ten year term unless fired for a specific violation. What could Trump come up with for Barr to pull the trigger?

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DaveXA said:

I doubt that's happening. Comey was a different situation. I'm not aware of anything Wray has done that would get him in hot water.

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The FBI Director serves at the pleasure of the President. The FBI director gets a ten year term but they aren't guaranteed a ten year term. The Head of the Executive, the President, can appoint and dismiss the FBI Director. He got Rosenstein and Sessions to sign off on dismissing Comey. Do yall really think he couldn't get Barr, a Trump loyalist, to do the same?

As to the why, what did Esper do to "get himself in hot water?" Exactly. It's been reported that Trump wanted to fire Esper this past summer when he publicly broke with Trump with sending troops to quell summer protests. Wray has publicly broke with the President in similar fashion and its been heavily speculated that if Trump won re-election, Wray was going to get canned after inauguration.

Look, I'm not saying it is going to happen but if asked, "who's next?" then my money would be Wray.

superchuck500 said:

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Maybe Trump fired Esper because he wasn't into the Dear Leader stuff, and being too slow to remove troops, rather than to install Marshal Law in the U.S. The former bothers me, but the latter scares me.

Lapaz said:

Maybe Trump fired Esper because he wasn't into the Dear Leader stuff, and being too slow to remove troops, rather than to install Marshal Law in the U.S. The former bothers me, but the latter scares me.

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I don't think it was necessarily that he was angry that Esper refused to entertain the use of troops as perhaps it was that Esper said as much publicly. Trump cannot handle dissent, he views it as disloyalty.

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The last day of Donald Trump’s 2020 presidential campaign began just after 7 a.m., as polls opened on the East Coast, with a call to “Fox & Friends,” the television morning show that had turned the reality star into a U.S. president. He got his usual hero’s welcome. But it was no longer enough.

“This has been a very special show for me,” he told the hosts of this broadcasting safe haven where he had workshopped his birther message, shared gossip and conspiracy theories, and repeatedly set the tone for his entire administration’s day. “We’ve had a great relationship, and you have a great show. So, it’s my honor.”

But his remarks quickly turned pointed that Tuesday morning as he boasted about how well he had done in the job of president, despite unexpected challenges — not from China or Russia or North Korea, he said, but from the United States. And he mused rhetorically about what had changed the most for him since 2016.

“Fox,” he said, answering his own question. “It’s much different now.” As the hosts sputtered, he elaborated: “In the old days, they wouldn’t put sleepy Joe Biden on every time he opened his mouth. . . . It’s a much different operation — I’m just telling you.”

It was the last day of a campaign Fox had done so much to support, but it was a preview of the war — now one week old but months in the making — that may have permanently ruptured the bond between President Trump and his once-favorite television channel........

Until 11:20 p.m., when Fox News called Arizona for Biden with 73 percent of the expected vote counted — a “screeching of tires” that brought the party to a halt, said one official present.

This account is based on interviews with 11 current and former Fox News and Trump officials, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive dynamics between Fox News and Trumpworld.

Trump erupted in anger, telling others in the White House to “get that result changed,” a senior administration official said. His chief of staff, Mark Meadows, phoned Fox News’s decision desk repeatedly.

Top aide Hope Hicks, who had returned to the White House earlier this year after a stint at Fox Corp., messaged Raj Shah, a former Trump White House staffer whom she hired at Fox, about how to get the call reversed. Kellyanne Conway got in touch with Fox News chief political anchor Bret Baier to complain. Jared Kushner reached out to Fox Corp.’s billionaire owner, Rupert Murdoch.............

superchuck500 said:

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Optimus Prime said:

Article on Trump and fox
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The last day of Donald Trump’s 2020 presidential campaign began just after 7 a.m., as polls opened on the East Coast, with a call to “Fox & Friends,” the television morning show that had turned the reality star into a U.S. president. He got his usual hero’s welcome. But it was no longer enough.

“This has been a very special show for me,” he told the hosts of this broadcasting safe haven where he had workshopped his birther message, shared gossip and conspiracy theories, and repeatedly set the tone for his entire administration’s day. “We’ve had a great relationship, and you have a great show. So, it’s my honor.”

But his remarks quickly turned pointed that Tuesday morning as he boasted about how well he had done in the job of president, despite unexpected challenges — not from China or Russia or North Korea, he said, but from the United States. And he mused rhetorically about what had changed the most for him since 2016.

“Fox,” he said, answering his own question. “It’s much different now.” As the hosts sputtered, he elaborated: “In the old days, they wouldn’t put sleepy Joe Biden on every time he opened his mouth. . . . It’s a much different operation — I’m just telling you.”

It was the last day of a campaign Fox had done so much to support, but it was a preview of the war — now one week old but months in the making — that may have permanently ruptured the bond between President Trump and his once-favorite television channel........

Until 11:20 p.m., when Fox News called Arizona for Biden with 73 percent of the expected vote counted — a “screeching of tires” that brought the party to a halt, said one official present.

This account is based on interviews with 11 current and former Fox News and Trump officials, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive dynamics between Fox News and Trumpworld.

Trump erupted in anger, telling others in the White House to “get that result changed,” a senior administration official said. His chief of staff, Mark Meadows, phoned Fox News’s decision desk repeatedly.

Top aide Hope Hicks, who had returned to the White House earlier this year after a stint at Fox Corp., messaged Raj Shah, a former Trump White House staffer whom she hired at Fox, about how to get the call reversed. Kellyanne Conway got in touch with Fox News chief political anchor Bret Baier to complain. Jared Kushner reached out to Fox Corp.’s billionaire owner, Rupert Murdoch.............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/the-long-love-affair-between-fox-news-and-trump-may-be-over-heres-how-it-ended-last-week/2020/11/09/f4dddb5e-2095-11eb-90dd-abd0f7086a91_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F2c9fec9%2F5fa97d249d2fda0efb61cdaf%2F5a0cb1ffade4e230f7038273%2F12%2F74%2F150ab629114f37c654073dbc8d15cc24

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Looks like the Republicans are making an attempt to finish off the republic.