Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets (UPDATE: Trump admin. deploying federal LE to cities) (2 Viewers)

JimEverett said:

I don't know - you tell me.
If I am an officer in the courthouse I doubt I would conduct a thorough investigation at that point either.

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They stood in a line and chanted. Clearly they deserved it.

JimEverett said:

How do you think they should do their job in that instance? A police union building had been broken into and a fire started. Within that context when police are protecting a federal courthouse and the fence surrounding that courthouse has been torn down, what is the proper response?

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Obviously, they should grab some random guy and beat him to a pulp, then drag his carcass aside without ever calling for medical care. Hell, he's lucky they didn't just shoot him, amirite Comrade?

JimEverett said:

I don't know - you tell me.
If I am an officer in the courthouse I doubt I would conduct a thorough investigation at that point either.

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The problem with playing Devil's advocate is that it always ends with defending the Devil's evil actions.

JimEverett said:

I don't know - you tell me.
If I am an officer in the courthouse I doubt I would conduct a thorough investigation at that point either.

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dang, Jim. I just asked. You seemed specific in your accusations so I assumed you knew.

fwiw, I went and looked and didn’t see this group doing anything that you’d listed. From what I read they’d dispersed before the other stuff started.

coldseat said:

DHS has become the American Gustapo. That department is full of Trump lackeys who aren't confirmed by the Senate (not that that's saying very much these days considering the state of the Senate under McConnell). That Department has subverted all kinds of rules, regulations and court orders in order to carry out Trump's mandates. It's not serving America, and if this the how it can by used by the President against Americans, I don't want it protecting anything.

I think we need to consider dismanteling that department. It's doing much more harm than good these days. The thing's they're focusing on aren't protecting the "Homeland" in the least.

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EDIT: Apologies for not adding context. For some reason I thought this was on the Liberal board. This is a joke and a reference to one of my favorite shows, Babylon 5. NightWatch was basically their version of the Gustapo.

https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Nightwatch

The Nightwatch Division was a paramilitary organization under the Ministry of Peace, which was set up during the Presidency of Morgan Clark in 2259.

Nightwatch was established to recruit ordinary citizens, including local law enforcement, and encourage them to uncover and report on what were perceived to be "subversive" activities. Such subversion was deemed to include open criticism of Earth Alliance policy or the Clark regime, interacting with aliens on anything more than a professional basis, or anything else Clark deemed to be a threat to his new order. The Nightwatch also had the power and authority to make arrests without warrants, detain suspected subversives indefinitely, and spy at will on the population.

Nightwatch began by offering extra credits to various people to be their eyes and ears [1]; Babylon 5 security officer Zack Allan and others decided to join. Initially in it for the extra money, Allen soon became more and more disturbed over the escalation of Nightwatch's activities and the erosion of civil liberties that was happening with Nightwatch around.

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If you know the story or if you've seen or read the play "It Can't Happen Here" You'd get where my head was on this.

The moms were standing still in the street with arms linked when I saw them. Maybe they broke the fence down but I doubt it. I did see some sort of projectile that looked like it exploded into pieces shot at their feet and the tear gas was also deployed.

I do know a Portland resident said that since the feds arrived the protests went from about 50 participants to about 1500. So I don’t think they are helping, for sure, whether those numbers are entirely accurate or not.

Why do you suppose these “professionals” continued to beat and kick a motionless young man, and then have their entire company pass by him delivering further kicks and blows with clubs?

My answer is that these federal officers are not acting as peacekeepers at all. They are rather there to break some heads and get rid of the protesters, whatever it takes.

Anyone who set fire to a building should be arrested and charged. I’m not sure the penalty for removing a temporary fence should be all that severe though. Nor the penalty for graffiti should be being beat with clubs and gassed.

This is honestly getting scary. It's Trump's most authoritative action so far against his own citizens and it's for obvious political purposes. His base loves these moves and will support him full tilt, all the while disregarding the abuse of power and what is almost certainly the violation of American's civil rights. You can almost feel Trump growing more desperate and radical by the day as chances of his reelection slips further and further away. I don't think there's anything this guy isn't willing to do. Since there is nobody standing in his way things will get very, very ugly.

This is amazingly like an old sheriff Harry Lee tactic.

Back in the good old days of the crack problems old Harry had what were called by the poor the jump out boys. They would actually jump out of unmarked cars and vans run people down and cause extreme stress in the poor ends of town. A couple of sweeps and nobody was on the street for weeks. I don't know if it was because everyone was locked up or just not on the streets to be targeted. Basically stop and frisk on steroids.

Thank God Operation Jade Helm was thwarted by our patriotic conservatives.

Here’s the ACLU suit. It alleges that journalists are being specifically targeted for recording the violence.

My wife is going to the mother’s protest tonight at the federal building. I haven’t heard from her in a bit but she is apparently getting changed into yellow and going downtown, which is about 3miles by the way the crow flies.

We are in for a bloody summer I fear.

CoolBrees said:

My wife is going to the mother’s protest tonight at the federal building. I haven’t heard from her in a bit but she is apparently getting changed into yellow and going downtown, which is about 3miles by the way the crow flies.

We are in for a bloody summer I fear.

Federal agents, local streets: A 'red flag' in Oregon

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Federal officers’ actions at protests in Oregon’s largest city, hailed by President Donald Trump but done without local consent, are raising the prospect of a constitutional crisis — one that could escalate as weeks of demonstrations find renewed focus in clashes with...

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Hope she stays safe. fork these butt crevasse federal thugs.

We need to remember how Trump is totally gaming the system set in place to provide checks on exactly what he is doing.

MT15 said:

We need to remember how Trump is totally gaming the system set in place to provide checks on exactly what he is doing.

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Since it's open season on the constitution, the governor should just order the state police to arrest any federal agents walking around on the streets of any city in his state. They can make up the charges later. They can fight it out in court later.

I don't know if federal agents take the same oath as the military but the military has a duty to disobey unlawful orders. These federal agents are following unlawful orders. I think the majority of them are trump loyalist and therefore are enjoying hurting people they see as the enemy.

Eeyore said:

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Yes, the Anti-Tyranny/2A/Jade Helm crowd is (not) surprisingly silent about all of this. As are the "state's rights" / small federal government "conservatives". This is dramatically worse than anything ever even alleged by those people under Obama . . . and its crickets.

Another example of Trump putting personal loyalty first

The White House is pushing a conspiracy theorist fired from the NSC for a top Pentagon position

The White House is pushing the Department of Defense to hire a former National Security Council staffer who has repeatedly pushed fringe conspiracy theories on Twitter and in media appearances.
Rich Higgins, a former aide who says he was fired from the National Security Council in 2017 for sending a conspiratorial memo, is currently being considered to serve as chief of staff to retired Brig. Gen. Anthony Tata, the White House's nominee for the under secretary of defense for policy at the Pentagon.

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Some real quality people....

Higgins, who served in the Army and later in the Pentagon as a career official in the Bush and Obama administrations, according to his biography, was fired from the NSC in 2017 after authoring a memo claiming that a "deep state" band of officials and movements were opposing President Donald Trump. He defined the opposition as the media, Islamists, Black Lives Matter, the ACLU, the United Nations and cultural Marxists leading a coordinated effort to delegitimize and subvert the President.

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The White House nominated Tata to become the third highest official at the Pentagon in June, but his nomination has come under scrutiny since CNN reported that the retired general pushed conspiracy theories and made anti-Muslim comments on social media, including calling former President Barack Obama "a Muslim" and claiming former CIA director John Brennan sent a coded tweet to order the assassination of Trump in 2018.

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But yes - they are probably very Qualified in Trumps world

The push to hire Higgins, a conspiracy theorist, and Tata, a frequent and ardent defender of the President on Fox News, to senior positions at the Pentagon comes as the White House seeks to install loyalists, many of whom hold extremist views, throughout the administration.

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https://us.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics/rich-higgins-conspiracy-theorist-kfile/index.html

Dragon said:

Another example of Trump putting personal loyalty first

The White House is pushing a conspiracy theorist fired from the NSC for a top Pentagon position





Some real quality people....






But yes - they are probably very Qualified in Trumps world




https://us.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics/rich-higgins-conspiracy-theorist-kfile/index.html

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I wish this was surprising. After nearly 4 years, the fact that shirt like this is considered normal because no one has bothered to hold this POtuS to account for his 20,000 proven lies or all the grifters he has as "acting" heads of departments who weren't vetted by Congress and only have their positions because of their loyalty to Trump, I'm just burnt out and depressed that this is the United States of America. I swear, his entire term so far has been based on "sticking it to the libs" and that's why we are where we are. He's mentally deficient and is trying to being the rest of us down to his level. Screw him.