Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[MT15]

Depends on the state, but in most states, it's just an "infraction" or "violation," not a misdemeanor.

It can also depend on the speed they observed. There is simple speeding which is almost never a crime. I’d like to see proof of it being a crime anywhere. Then there is the kind of speeding which rises to a criminal level like going 30-50 mph over the limit.

He’s pedantic. He would much rather do this than answer for his lack of moral clarity.

 

[TampaJoe]

It can also depend on the speed they observed. There is simple speeding which is almost never a crime. I’d like to see proof of it being a crime anywhere. Then there is the kind of speeding which rises to a criminal level like going 30-50 mph over the limit.

He’s pedantic. He would much rather do this than answer for his lack of moral clarity.

I don’t know that the distinction is whether it’s civil or criminal but rather whether it is a misdemeanor traffic violation or rises to a felony violation.

 

[MT15]

I don’t know that the distinction is whether it’s civil or criminal but rather whether it is a misdemeanor traffic violation or rises to a felony violation.

When the ticket carries no threat of jail time - I wouldn’t consider it a criminal offense. I don’t know whether it’s still considered a misdemeanor or not, but a simple speeding ticket has no threat of jail time so I don’t think of it as a criminal offense. You would have to do something extra to get thrown in jail - like refuse to pay, try to evade the ticket. In some locations, it isn’t a police officer who generates the ticket.

Do you think of simple speeding as a criminal offense?

 

[TampaJoe]

When the ticket carries no threat of jail time - I wouldn’t consider it a criminal offense. I don’t know whether it’s still considered a misdemeanor or not, but a simple speeding ticket has no threat of jail time so I don’t think of it as a criminal offense. You would have to do something extra to get thrown in jail - like refuse to pay, try to evade the ticket. In some locations, it isn’t a police officer who generates the ticket.

Do you think of simple speeding as a criminal offense?

I don’t believe that whether something might result in jail time is the distinguishing characteristic between whether something is considered criminal or civil. Nobody is suing you for a traffic violation.

It is a misdemeanor “criminal” offense I suppose.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Optimus Prime]

Federal immigration authorities detained a legal permanent resident pursuing his Ph.D. at San Francisco International Airport as he returned from his brother's wedding.

Tae Heung "Will" Kim, from South Korea, has been living in the country since he was 5 years old and holds a green card. The 40-year-old is currently a doctoral student at Texas A&M University, where his research focuses on developing a Lyme disease vaccine, according to The Washington Post.

Immigration officials detained him on July 21 during secondary inspection after he arrived from a two-week visit to South Korea for his younger brother's wedding...........

In 2011, Kim was charged with minor marijuana possession in Texas, according to his attorney, Eric Lee. He completed a community service requirement and later obtained a nondisclosure order, sealing the offense from public view.

"If a green card holder is convicted of a drug offense, violating their status, that person is issued a Notice to Appear and CBP coordinates detention space with ICE ERO. This alien is in ICE custody pending removal proceedings," a U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesperson told Newsweek.

Lee told The Washington Post that Kim has been denied access to legal representation. According to Lee, the government has not provided a reason for his detention, and immigration authorities have prevented Kim from speaking with an attorney or directly contacting his family, aside from a brief phone call to his mother on Friday.

"If the Constitution doesn't apply to somebody who's lived in this country for 35 years and is a green-card holder — and only left the country for a two-week vacation — that means [the government] is basically arguing that the Constitution doesn't apply to anybody who's been in this country for less time than him," Lee said.

Kim's mother, Yehoon "Sharon" Lee, told The Washington Post that she's deeply concerned about his well-being.

"He's a good son, very gentle," she said.

Sharon Lee first arrived in the U.S. with her husband on a business visa in the 1980s and eventually became a naturalized citizen. But by that time, her sons, including Kim, were too old to receive citizenship through her automatically. Both boys remained legal permanent residents, having grown up almost entirely in the U.S...........

Green card holder detained by ICE after returning from brother's wedding

Tae Heung "Will" Kim, 40, has lived in the U.S. since he was 5 years old and holds a green card.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

A Cuban immigrant detained and held in Florida's "Alligator Alcatraz" facility after about 25 years of legal U.S. status had his court hearing canceled last minute and without provided cause, according to his attorney.

The abrupt cancellation of a scheduled immigration court hearing on July 23 for 31-year-old Gonzalo Almanza, a green card holder and U.S. permanent resident since 2000, ties to debate over due process, detainee treatment, and legal access at the recently opened immigration detention center in Florida's Everglades region.

Almanza's case echoes broader legal struggles facing migrants and permanent residents as lawyers and civil rights groups challenge the facility's operations in court, arguing detainees are denied basic rights and access to counsel.

No record currently exists for Almanza within the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) database.

Almanza, who arrived in the United States at the age of 6, has been detained at the Alligator Alcatraz facility since July 11.

His wife, Aschly Valdez, said Almanza was taken into custody by immigration authorities because of a past racketeering charge, despite ongoing efforts to fulfill legal obligations and restitution.

"Yes, Gonzalo made a bad decision, but he's paying his restitution, he's doing everything right," Valdez said, according to NBC Miami. "It's extremely stressful, worrisome because we don't hear from him."

"My son is asking for his dad every single day. You know it's heartbreaking," Valdez added.

The couple's son was born in 2018............

Man with green card for 25 years in Alligator Alcatraz has hearing canceled

"He paid restitution, he was complying fully with probation...and was just immediately transported to Alligator Alcatraz," his lawyer told Newsweek.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

An empty seat.

Martir Garcia Lara's fourth grade teacher and classmates went on with the school day in Torrance, California, without him May 29.

About 20 miles north of his classroom, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested and detained the boy and his father at their scheduled immigration hearing in downtown Los Angeles.

The federal immigration enforcement agency, which under President Donald Trump has more aggressively deported undocumented immigrants, separated the boy and his father for a time and took them to an immigration detention facility in Texas.

Martir and his father were reunited and deported to Honduras this summer.

Martir is one of at least five children and teens who have been rounded up by ICE and deported from the United States with their parents since the start of Trump's second presidential term. Many won't return to their schools in the fall.

"Martir’s absence rippled beyond the school walls, touching the hearts of neighbors and strangers alike, who united in a shared hope for his safe return," Sara Myers, a spokesperson for the Torrance Unified School District, told USA TODAY.

Trisha McLaughlin, assistant secretary for the Department of Homeland Security, said his father, Martir Garcia-Banegas, 50, illegally entered the United States in 2021 with his son from the Central American country and an immigration judge ordered them to "removed to Honduras" in September 2022.

"They exhausted due process and had no legal remedies left to pursue," McLaughlin wrote USA TODAY in an email.

The boy is now in Honduras without his teacher, classmates and a brother who lives in Torrance.

"I was scared to come here," Martir told a reporter at the California-based news station ABC7 in Spanish. "I want to see my friends again. All of my friends are there. I miss all my friends very much."

Although no reported ICE deportations have taken place on school grounds, school administrators, teachers and students told USA TODAY that fear lingers for many immigrant students ahead of the new school year................

ICE deported teenagers and children in immigration raids. Here are their stories.

Several students who attended K-12 schools in the United States last year won't return this fall after ICE deported them to other countries.

www.usatoday.com

 

[superchuck500]

This is, by definition, a concentration camp.

 

[MT15]

Federal immigration authorities detained a legal permanent resident pursuing his Ph.D. at San Francisco International Airport as he returned from his brother's wedding.

Tae Heung "Will" Kim, from South Korea, has been living in the country since he was 5 years old and holds a green card. The 40-year-old is currently a doctoral student at Texas A&M University, where his research focuses on developing a Lyme disease vaccine, according to The Washington Post.

Immigration officials detained him on July 21 during secondary inspection after he arrived from a two-week visit to South Korea for his younger brother's wedding...........

In 2011, Kim was charged with minor marijuana possession in Texas, according to his attorney, Eric Lee. He completed a community service requirement and later obtained a nondisclosure order, sealing the offense from public view.

"If a green card holder is convicted of a drug offense, violating their status, that person is issued a Notice to Appear and CBP coordinates detention space with ICE ERO. This alien is in ICE custody pending removal proceedings," a U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesperson told Newsweek.

Lee told The Washington Post that Kim has been denied access to legal representation. According to Lee, the government has not provided a reason for his detention, and immigration authorities have prevented Kim from speaking with an attorney or directly contacting his family, aside from a brief phone call to his mother on Friday.

"If the Constitution doesn't apply to somebody who's lived in this country for 35 years and is a green-card holder — and only left the country for a two-week vacation — that means [the government] is basically arguing that the Constitution doesn't apply to anybody who's been in this country for less time than him," Lee said.

Kim's mother, Yehoon "Sharon" Lee, told The Washington Post that she's deeply concerned about his well-being.

"He's a good son, very gentle," she said.

Sharon Lee first arrived in the U.S. with her husband on a business visa in the 1980s and eventually became a naturalized citizen. But by that time, her sons, including Kim, were too old to receive citizenship through her automatically. Both boys remained legal permanent residents, having grown up almost entirely in the U.S...........

Green card holder detained by ICE after returning from brother's wedding

Tae Heung "Will" Kim, 40, has lived in the U.S. since he was 5 years old and holds a green card.

www.newsweek.com

So, we are sending a man who is here legally to prison for a 14 year old marijuana offense and ultimately going to deport him - a PhD student studying a vaccine for Lyme disease - but we got a man who committed a grisly triple murder out of a Venezuelan prison and released him into the US as a free man?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Roughly 200 Federal Air Marshals have reportedly been reassigned from their usual duties protecting the U.S. transit system to assist with Trump administration deportation flights alongside Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The Marshals, the main law enforcement arm of the Transportation Security Administration, better known for missions like protecting U.S. commercial flights, are instead carrying out tasks on deportation flights like providing security, handing out sandwiches to detainees, checking them for lice, and cleaning plans, CNN reports.

The reported deployment has proved controversial within the Marshals community, with the Air Marshals union praising the mission, while a lobbying group for Air Marshals argues it distracts from the agents’ core function and sees the Marshals acting as glorified security guards for government contractors that manage some flights.

The group, the Air Marshal National Council, has filed a complaint with the Department of Homeland Security inspector general’s office, and has warned the new mission could “undermine aviation and national security and expose federal officers to unsafe and improper working conditions.”

The ICE deployment has “has not impacted Federal Air Marshals’ deployment on domestic and international flights to assess, address, and mitigate varying potential risks and threats to transportation and travelers,” according to government documents obtained by CNN.…….

Hundreds of Federal Air Marshals sent to guard Trump’s ICE flights: report

Marshals are reportedly split on whether they support the new mission

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Sendai]

In response to the thread title

Will “mass deportation” actually happen​

They’ll be lucky to a million in four years.

 

[MT15]

In response to the thread title

Will “mass deportation” actually happen​

They’ll be lucky to a million in four years.

Yes, but the human suffering and trampling on people’s rights is horrific. They need to be stopped, some way, somehow. Smashing car windows and grabbing chiropractors is ridiculous. Terrorizing children. Arresting PhD students and throwing them in prison because they had a minor marijuana charge (which was adjudicated through the courts) a decade ago. Grabbing and stealth deporting 80 year olds because they had a minor drug charge over 40 years ago. Leaving the family grieving because ICE told them their grandfather/father had died in custody only for them to find out he was hospitalized in Guatemala. Grabbing actual citizens and legal residents.

The people carrying out these abuses are sometimes not even actual federal agents, I am pretty sure. I saw a video where they had raided a restaurant and some local people came up to ask them what they were doing. They claimed they were executing a criminal warrant - all in plain clothes, only one had a simple vest that said DHS. He had a badge on his waistband, which they got a photograph of, even though he didn’t want them to see it. He refused to give them his name. They claimed they had a warrant, but when asked for it a different guy told them they had 2 seconds to leave or they would be arrested for impeding a federal investigation. The citizens stood firm and didn’t budge, they were standing on the sidewalk, not impeding anything. Both men then turned tail and almost ran out of the front of the building, along with others who were in the restaurant with them. The young women who were with them were extremely scared of something. The men followed them and filmed them getting into their cars and trucks which were obviously personal vehicles. They yelled at them as they were leaving how what they were doing was awful. I don’t believe those were federal agents at all. Maybe vigilantes, maybe hired goons who don’t have the authority to actually detain anyone. Anyway, they left that restaurant wide open, vacant, with grills and fryers still on. The citizens who were filming went back and shut everything down and locked up.

It’s all such a propaganda exercise to begin with. Immigrants commit violent crimes at a lower rate than people born here. Most don’t need much assistance - and the undocumented don’t qualify for federal assistance with very few exceptions - mainly asylum seekers.

Anyway, these cooks, busboys, roofers, green card holders, students, etc. do not deserve this treatment. It’s a stain on the moral fabric of our country that it is happening. It’s inexcusable. It needs to stop. Trump has put a bounty on every person they can grab, they don’t much care the particulars or the legality of what they are doing. We are no longer a nation of due process.

 

[MT15]

Oh and I didn’t even touch on sending people to a concentration camp in El Salvador with no real reason and no recourse. No hearings, no way to dispute the made up lies.

 

[MT15]

No legal resident is safe. None.

 

[SamAndreas]

You might want check on that.

Brandon is correct, unless there are aggravating circumstances tied to it, speeding is an infraction.

 

[Optimus Prime]

good luck

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[superchuck500]