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    Interesting article on the whole ‘I was just joking’, ‘Can’t you take a joke?’, ‘Where’s your sense of humor?’ phenomenon after saying something terrible

    Says (rightly I believe) that the same behavior wouldn’t be tolerated if the left did it like the right does but doesn’t offer any opinions on why that is
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    Imagine the furore if a Guardian columnist suggested bombing, say, the Conservative party conference and the Tory stronghold of Arundel in Sussex.

    It would dominate public discussion for weeks.

    Despite protesting they were “only joking”, that person would never work in journalism again. Their editor would certainly be sacked. The police would probably come knocking.

    But when the Spectator columnist Rod Liddle speculates about bombing Glastonbury festival and Brighton, complaints are met with, “Calm down dear, can’t you take a joke?”

    The journalist keeps his job, as does his editor, the former justice secretary Michael Gove.

    There’s one rule for the left and another for the right.

    The same applies to the recent comments on GB News by its regular guest Lewis Schaffer. He proposed that, to reduce the number of disabled people claiming benefits, he would “just starve them. I mean, that’s what people have to do, that’s what you’ve got to do to people, you just can’t give people money … What else can you do? Shoot them? I mean, I suggest that, but I think that’s maybe a bit strong.”

    The presenter, Patrick Christys replied, “Yeah, it’s just not allowed these days.”

    You could call these jokes, if you think killing people is funny. Or you could call them thought experiments.

    Liddle suggested as much in his column: “I am merely hypothesising, in a slightly wistful kinda way.” This “humour” permits obscene ideas to seep into the range of the possible.

    Academic researchers see the use of jokes to break taboos and reduce the thresholds of hate speech as a form of “strategic mainstreaming”.

    Far-right influencers use humour, irony and memes to inject ideas into public life that would otherwise be unacceptable. In doing so, they desensitise their audience and normalise extremism.

    A study of German Telegram channels found that far-right content presented seriously achieved limited reach, as did non-political humour.

    But when far-right extremism was presented humorously, it took off.

    Humour offers deniability.

    In his article on 3 July, after floating the possibility of killing hundreds of thousands of people, Liddle remarked: “I am not saying that we should do this, of course – it would be a horrible, psychopathic thing to do.”

    You can scarcely miss the wink.

    Such speculations have anchored misogyny, homophobia and racism for decades: “Lost your sense of humour, love?” – wink, wink. They distance the writer from the intention, and provide moral cover for the owners of the platform (the hedge fund hectomillionaire and evangelical Christian Paul Marshall is both the owner of the Spectator and the co-owner of GB News). Perhaps we could call it wink murder……….

    “Funny” memes such as Pepe the Frog and Doge, while originally used innocuously, became vehicles to deny and sanitise Nazi atrocities.

    Anyone who objected was told to “lighten up” or “get a sense of humour”. Then we watched as the president of the United States adopted the frog meme and his sidekick Elon Musk named his massive assault on federal spending after the Doge meme. I’m sure they both found it hilarious…….




     
    Dean Cain is not a fan of the direction Hollywood is taking Superman. The actor, who played the superhero on Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman from 1993 to 1997, said he is concerned about James Gunn's vision for the character.

    "How woke is Hollywood going to make this character?" he said in a video interview with TMZ. "How much is Disney going to change their Snow White? Why are they going to change these characters [to] exist for the times? For Superman, it was ‘truth, justice, and the American way.' Well, they dropped that… They came up with ‘truth, justice, and a better tomorrow.' Changing beloved characters I don't think is a great idea."

    He added, "The ‘American way' is immigrant friendly, tremendously immigrant friendly. But there are rules. You can't come in saying, ‘I want to get rid of all the rules in America, because I want it to be more like Somalia.' Well that doesn't work, because you had to leave Somalia to come here… There have to be limits, because we cant have everybody in the United States. We can't have everybody, society will fail. So there have to be limits."

    Gunn recently told the Sunday Times, "Superman is the story of America. An immigrant that came from other places and populated the country, but for me, it is mostly a story that says basic human kindness is a value and is something we have lost." The interview resulted in a backlash from the far-right, anti-immigrant MAGA set, which apparently includes Cain.

    "It's being portrayed as a real negative thing that we want people to follow our immigration laws, which is insane to me," Cain said. "I feel we are in a bad situation here now because it's being stoked by politicians and by NGOs that have a political agenda. And I think bringing Superman into it, I think that was a mistake by James Gunn to say it's an immigrant thing, and I think its going to hurt the numbers on the movie."............

    Former Superman Dean Cain Says Hollywood Has Made the Character Too ‘Woke'


     
    This, lol:


    Much is being made of changing Superman's line of "Truth, justice and the American Way"

    It's been changed before, I remember some outcry about it being changed in Brandon Routh's Superman Returns, I think is more due to changing it plays better overseas than "American Way" than any real political commentary
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    Superman arrived on Earth a refugee from a dying world, adopted by farmers in the American heartland. But as the Man of Steel lands in theaters with a new reboot this weekend, some conservative critics are taking issue with the superhero saga being framed as an immigrant's story.

    The outrage, primarily from right-wing commentators, began percolating in the last week, before many had even seen the film. The criticism centers around recent comments made by director James Gunn, who underscored how Superman’s immigrant identity is weaved into the film’s storyline.

    “I mean, Superman is the story of America,” Gunn told The Times of London newspaper in an interview published last week. “An immigrant that came from other places and populated the country. But for me it is mostly a story that says basic human kindness is a value and is something we have lost.”

    Gunn has since repeated similar refrains during the film’s press tour, fueling sentiments from critics who say he has unnecessarily politicized the superhero.

    Superhero comics have historically not shied away from political themes — Captain America, for example, famously punched Adolf Hitler on a 1941 comic cover, and Superman fought the Ku Klux Klan in a 1946 radio broadcast.

    But the new “Superman” installment, which is being released by Warner Bros., has become the latest superhero film to become a political flashpoint for commentators who have long publicly blasted Hollywood for its perceived liberalism.

    Earlier this year, some fans threatened to boycott “Captain America: Brave New World” over comments made by Anthony Mackie, the first Black man to play Captain America, about the superhero’s identity.

    After Gunn’s recent comments, the popular X account “End Wokeness” stated in a post, “Hollywood literally never learns.” And in a Monday segment, Fox News labeled the movie “Superwoke.” The segment’s banner read: “Iconic hero movie to embrace pro-immigrant themes.”

    “You know what it says on his cape? MS-13,” Fox News host Jessie Watters joked, referring to the international criminal gang that President Donald Trump’s administration claims it is targeting in its immigration raids.

    Another Fox host, Greg Gutfeld, accused Gunn of trying to create a “moat of woke, enlightened opinion around him” after having been “canceled” and fired from Disney as a result of resurfaced tweets containing pedophilia jokes.

    Fox News contributor Kellyanne Conway, a former Trump aide, similarly took issue with “Superman,” citing a recent CBS News' "Sunday Morning" interview with star David Corenswet in which the actor didn’t mention the word “American” when referring to Superman’s slogan of “truth, justice and the American way.”

    “I can’t believe that we’ve come down to that,” Conway said. “We don’t go to the movie theater to be lectured to and to have somebody throw their ideology onto us,” she said on air, speculating whether the film would “be successful.”...................

     
    Much is being made of changing Superman's line of "Truth, justice and the American Way"

    It's been changed before, I remember some outcry about it being changed in Brandon Routh's Superman Returns, I think is more due to changing it plays better overseas than "American Way" than any real political commentary
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    Superman arrived on Earth a refugee from a dying world, adopted by farmers in the American heartland. But as the Man of Steel lands in theaters with a new reboot this weekend, some conservative critics are taking issue with the superhero saga being framed as an immigrant's story.

    The outrage, primarily from right-wing commentators, began percolating in the last week, before many had even seen the film. The criticism centers around recent comments made by director James Gunn, who underscored how Superman’s immigrant identity is weaved into the film’s storyline.

    “I mean, Superman is the story of America,” Gunn told The Times of London newspaper in an interview published last week. “An immigrant that came from other places and populated the country. But for me it is mostly a story that says basic human kindness is a value and is something we have lost.”

    Gunn has since repeated similar refrains during the film’s press tour, fueling sentiments from critics who say he has unnecessarily politicized the superhero.

    Superhero comics have historically not shied away from political themes — Captain America, for example, famously punched Adolf Hitler on a 1941 comic cover, and Superman fought the Ku Klux Klan in a 1946 radio broadcast.

    But the new “Superman” installment, which is being released by Warner Bros., has become the latest superhero film to become a political flashpoint for commentators who have long publicly blasted Hollywood for its perceived liberalism.

    Earlier this year, some fans threatened to boycott “Captain America: Brave New World” over comments made by Anthony Mackie, the first Black man to play Captain America, about the superhero’s identity.

    After Gunn’s recent comments, the popular X account “End Wokeness” stated in a post, “Hollywood literally never learns.” And in a Monday segment, Fox News labeled the movie “Superwoke.” The segment’s banner read: “Iconic hero movie to embrace pro-immigrant themes.”

    “You know what it says on his cape? MS-13,” Fox News host Jessie Watters joked, referring to the international criminal gang that President Donald Trump’s administration claims it is targeting in its immigration raids.

    Another Fox host, Greg Gutfeld, accused Gunn of trying to create a “moat of woke, enlightened opinion around him” after having been “canceled” and fired from Disney as a result of resurfaced tweets containing pedophilia jokes.

    Fox News contributor Kellyanne Conway, a former Trump aide, similarly took issue with “Superman,” citing a recent CBS News' "Sunday Morning" interview with star David Corenswet in which the actor didn’t mention the word “American” when referring to Superman’s slogan of “truth, justice and the American way.”

    “I can’t believe that we’ve come down to that,” Conway said. “We don’t go to the movie theater to be lectured to and to have somebody throw their ideology onto us,” she said on air, speculating whether the film would “be successful.”...................

    So much of the Trump cult is this residence to anything outside of a Leave It To Beaver episode.

    And realizing that most of the content they consumed has subtext they don’t understand.
     
    Exactly. The U.S. has always carried a streak of xenophobia. The English scorned the Irish, the Irish distrusted the Italians, the Italians looked down on the Puerto Ricans—and across generations, African Americans have faced systemic exclusion. But what gets overlooked in all that fear and resentment is the fact that American culture has never been a fixed thing. It’s always been in flux—reshaped, redefined, and enriched by each new wave of immigrants. The language, food, music, values, and ideas is now called “American” are the result of countless cultural collisions and contributions.

    The irony is that many who cling to the idea of ‘the American Way’ are really holding onto a version of America that never truly existed. The real American story is one of constant transformation—a nation built not in spite of outsiders, but because of them.
     
    Oh' my, this is as wild as the teenage son of the doctor who gave birth to me was when he killed both of his parents at home after they refused to buy him the car he wished to own. That happened about a year or so after I was born.

    All of my life i've been reminded by well meaning people about this snippet of incidental quirky fact about myself. I remember this coming up when I was five, and at least once a year ever since I was five. It came up on my birthday this year, and every year before. It's come up since what seems to me about a million times. Oh' my.

    This is a much later, latter day news story about the fine son of Dr. Bresnahan the doctor who slapped my on my baby behind to bring me life in the day on the day I was born.

    This is a story about well meaning people who don't have a clue, mostly my mother. :rolleyes:


     
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    Oh' my, this is as wild as the teenage son of the doctor who gave birth to me was when he killed both of his parents at home after they refused to buy him the car he wished to own.
    Wouldn't the teenage son of the doctor who gave birth to you be your brother or half brother?
     
    I assumed he meant the ob gyn that actually delivered the baby
    Traditionally, that would be referred to as the person that delivered the baby, not gave birth to the baby.

    I'm sure that's what he meant, but it was funny to me and it reminded me of the riddle about the doctor who says "I can't operate on him, he's my son."
     
    Before the elections next year, Sweden’s conservative government has been eager to avoid accusations of racism or xenophobia. So it’s unfortunate that it keeps being plagued by scandals involving both.

    The Swedish investigative magazine Expo revealed earlier this month that a minister in the governing coalition, whom it did not name, had a close family member active in violent far-right and neo-Nazi groups.

    The family member had, Expo claimed, participated in activities with a far-right network classified as a terrorist group by the US.

    For almost two weeks the minister’s name swirled around social media, but all the major news outlets in Sweden refused to publish it, claiming they were protecting the identity of a minor who had not chosen a life in the public eye.

    This week the migration minister, Johan Forssell, was finally outed after being called to a hearing in the Riksdag, the Swedish parliament, to answer questions about the scandal – and his teenage son.

    Eventually he showed up for an interview with Sweden’s national news channel, TV4, in which he said he was “shocked and horrified” by the discovery.

    The revelation that the scandal involved Forssell is particularly remarkable, since he has built a reputation on claims that parental responsibility is the only real way to prevent crime.

    He has also suggested parents should be held legally accountable for the crimes of their children.

    While Forssell’s son is not suspected of any crime, he is alleged to have attended in-person meetings with at least two neo-Nazi groups. In one picture published by the magazine, he appears to make a Nazi salute.

    In an internal chat, the son wrote: “We must get rid of the imported violence” and “it’s time for Europeans to fight back!”, according to Expo.

    Awkwardly for Forssell, an MP for the Moderate party led by the prime minister, Ulf Kristersson, he has generally advocated for the most radical shift towards punitive policies in Swedish criminal justice in decades, including harsher punishment for minors.

    And in social media posts, Forssell has claimed that the leftwing opposition is in denial about the role of “parental responsibility as a method for crime prevention”.

    The best way to prevent criminality, he has insisted, is “attentive parents who give their children love and set clear boundaries”.

    Now the minister wants us to accept that he was clueless that his own child was reportedly active online in neo-Nazi groups, let alone implicated in a violent extremist group with international ties…….

     
    Charlie Kirk launched a xenophobic attack on New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani on Friday, calling him a “parasite” and claiming his presence in the US proves that legal immigration is a problem.

    Speaking at the Student Action Summit in Tampa, the 31-year-old right-wing media personality said of younger Americans, “They don’t necessarily believe that immigration makes your country better. You only get Mamdani, you get Ilan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, not just because of illegal immigration.”

    “It’s legal immigration that is also the problem. When you allow a bunch of people into your country legally and they don’t share your values, turns out they don’t always assimilate.”

    Kirk said that even though 33-year-old Mamdani became a US citizen in 2018 and his Muslim family immigrated to the US legally, he still considers the Democratic mayoral primary winner a “parasite.”

    He’s a self-righteous, narcissistic parasite on New York City and should be expelled from politics,” Kirk told an applauding crowd. “But we let him in. Maybe it’s time, maybe it is time for us to reconsider almost all of our political orthodoxies.”…….

     
    Charlie Kirk launched a xenophobic attack on New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani on Friday, calling him a “parasite” and claiming his presence in the US proves that legal immigration is a problem.

    Speaking at the Student Action Summit in Tampa, the 31-year-old right-wing media personality said of younger Americans, “They don’t necessarily believe that immigration makes your country better. You only get Mamdani, you get Ilan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, not just because of illegal immigration.”

    “It’s legal immigration that is also the problem. When you allow a bunch of people into your country legally and they don’t share your values, turns out they don’t always assimilate.”

    Kirk said that even though 33-year-old Mamdani became a US citizen in 2018 and his Muslim family immigrated to the US legally, he still considers the Democratic mayoral primary winner a “parasite.”

    He’s a self-righteous, narcissistic parasite on New York City and should be expelled from politics,” Kirk told an applauding crowd. “But we let him in. Maybe it’s time, maybe it is time for us to reconsider almost all of our political orthodoxies.”…….

    Finally, the fascist speaks what he truly believes.
     
    Charlie Kirk launched a xenophobic attack on New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani on Friday, calling him a “parasite” and claiming his presence in the US proves that legal immigration is a problem.

    Speaking at the Student Action Summit in Tampa, the 31-year-old right-wing media personality said of younger Americans, “They don’t necessarily believe that immigration makes your country better. You only get Mamdani, you get Ilan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, not just because of illegal immigration.”

    “It’s legal immigration that is also the problem. When you allow a bunch of people into your country legally and they don’t share your values, turns out they don’t always assimilate.”

    Kirk said that even though 33-year-old Mamdani became a US citizen in 2018 and his Muslim family immigrated to the US legally, he still considers the Democratic mayoral primary winner a “parasite.”

    He’s a self-righteous, narcissistic parasite on New York City and should be expelled from politics,” Kirk told an applauding crowd. “But we let him in. Maybe it’s time, maybe it is time for us to reconsider almost all of our political orthodoxies.”…….

    I am confused. It seems to me that Charlie Kirk is the self-righteous, narcisstic parasite. He produces nothing. He contributes nothing to the country.
     


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